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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 29, 2018 8:15:14 GMT
Updated the first post... If this is the best we've got then its clear where the failures at the club are. The Coates family need to step up and sort out the idiots. The consistent comments is bordering on embarrassing. I don't think I've seen anything like it from a manager in recent times. How can you possibly expect him to come in and hit the ground running with no team? They thought they'd done their bit with Etobo and Afobe and it bought them time. Im afraid this board need constant pressure from management and fans otherwise nothing happens The family will happily skin a fart to save a few weeks wages but they're still happy to spunk a million quid on the chief exec. Unless it's a Moxey situation where he's there to take the flak. They are that tight only dogs can hear there farts
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2018 8:31:02 GMT
It’s refreshing that he’s got the balls to hold them accountable. As true as that maybe he's spent a shed load of cash and we've been the busiest team in the league haven't we? Sounds to me like he's getting his excuses in early. I think he genuinely sounds very pissed off Dave, I know that you don't have a lot of faith in him but there's not a lot wrong with his first five signings is there? Federici Etebo Afobe McClean Ince Yet our squad looks utterly threadbare in terms of players fit for purpose. Thanks to Mark Hughes, we assembled an utterly appalling set of players and we needed to accept early on that we were probably going to need to bring in 9 or 10 new players, even if we managed to keep the back five and Allen. With a week to go, we are still 4 or 5 players short of what is required.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 29, 2018 8:40:48 GMT
I've just heard Jose Mourinho say that he gave five names of players he wanted to the club months ago. He now hopes he might get two, but expects only to get one. If Man U struggle to get the right players in, why do some people expect Stoke to bring in whoever they want, whenever they choose?
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jul 29, 2018 8:43:31 GMT
As true as that maybe he's spent a shed load of cash and we've been the busiest team in the league haven't we? Sounds to me like he's getting his excuses in early. I think he genuinely sounds very pissed off Dave, I know that you don't have a lot of faith in him but there's not a lot wrong with his first five signings is there? Federici Etebo Afobe McClean Ince Yet our squad looks utterly threadbare in terms of players fit for purpose. Thanks to Mark Hughes, we assembled an utterly appalling set of players and we needed to accept early on that we were probably going to need to bring in 9 or 10 new players, even if we managed to keep the back five and Allen. With a week to go, we are still 4 or 5 players short of what is required. Surely people understand this won’t be turned round instantly?? If spending money was the holy grail then Man City would have won the Prem much earlier and Chelsea would have won many more trophies It’s not quite that straightforward....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 29, 2018 8:43:41 GMT
It’s refreshing that he’s got the balls to hold them accountable. As true as that maybe he's spent a shed load of cash and we've been the busiest team in the league haven't we? Sounds to me like he's getting his excuses in early. Maybe he didn’t know how big the job was. None of his signings have been bad ones and you could argue we needed them all. Maybe what he didn’t realise was how much dead wood there was. Even after the likes of Jese and Wimmer left we’re still left with Adam Fletcher Berahino Choupa Affelay Diouf Imbula Cameron Players who’ve played a big part in the mess we’re in by either being injured, unfit, lazy or way past there best. That’s 8 players who at a conservative guess will be costing us 300-400k a week but more than likely will play little or no part this season. Whoever bought them in or in the case of Adam, Cameron and Afellay offered them new contracts has a lot to answer for. If they were all gone and we had a clean slate. I’d like to think we had a better chance of bringing more players in. The biggest problem is that 2 of those responsible for making all those mistakes are at the club. We won’t have a squad because we have 8 players who aren’t fit for purpose filling all the places up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2018 8:44:49 GMT
I've just heard Jose Mourinho say that he gave five names of players he wanted to the club months ago. He now hopes he might get two, but expects only to get one. If Man U struggle to get the right players in, why do some people expect Stoke to bring in whoever they want, whenever they choose? Because the club made a very public statement promising a complete overhaul at the club in an attempt to get back up?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2018 8:48:37 GMT
I think he genuinely sounds very pissed off Dave, I know that you don't have a lot of faith in him but there's not a lot wrong with his first five signings is there? Federici Etebo Afobe McClean Ince Yet our squad looks utterly threadbare in terms of players fit for purpose. Thanks to Mark Hughes, we assembled an utterly appalling set of players and we needed to accept early on that we were probably going to need to bring in 9 or 10 new players, even if we managed to keep the back five and Allen. With a week to go, we are still 4 or 5 players short of what is required. Surely people understand this won’t be turned round instantly?? If spending money was the holy grail then Man City would have won the Prem much earlier and Chelsea would have won many more trophies It’s not quite that straightforward.... It's the board themselves that have raised expectations and the squad is what it is, there's no getting away from that. And if I'm honest, I think they will deliver and we'll see at least another four come in.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 29, 2018 8:50:28 GMT
It could just be the other way round , and he is the perfect choice for them , won nothing , no big media reputation. Quick to moan , the big name choices the really ambitoIs appointments or the creative ones who engendered real optimism would not have stood this fiddling While Rome burns , Attention would Have quickly focused elsewhere as it is the he has never actually won anything jibe is nicely laid , the sustainable policy intact as we could easily finish this window in profit with ten days to go most importantly the rootsnd branch reform consigned to history and lip service
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 29, 2018 8:52:31 GMT
Thing is no ones saying that we needs loads of 10m players as we have a decent first 11 we just need safe pairs of hands or young impact players so that we don’t have to worry about Fletcher, Adam or Geoff being on the bench or being first cover.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 29, 2018 9:01:01 GMT
Went to a Do last night and met up with a massive Derby fan who I had not seen for some time.
Asked “Well what do you think of our new manager ?
Answer “ He’s a massive C%+T , and way out of his depth”
He’s a proper gent and it’s the first time I have ever heard him swear!
Probably sour grapes but I was taken aback by his venomous reply.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 29, 2018 9:07:27 GMT
I've just heard Jose Mourinho say that he gave five names of players he wanted to the club months ago. He now hopes he might get two, but expects only to get one. If Man U struggle to get the right players in, why do some people expect Stoke to bring in whoever they want, whenever they choose? Because the club made a very public statement promising a complete overhaul at the club in an attempt to get back up? The most important overhaul has been with the manager and his coaching team. This has been done. A number of good-looking signings have been made. All this is not bad in the time there has been. Many of the moans have been about the players who are still with us. If they don't want to leave, there's not much that can be done. Hughes spent five years systematically taking our club apart, so we need to be a bit more patient about the rebuilding.
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Post by rawli on Jul 29, 2018 9:10:24 GMT
As true as that maybe he's spent a shed load of cash and we've been the busiest team in the league haven't we? Sounds to me like he's getting his excuses in early. I think he genuinely sounds very pissed off Dave, I know that you don't have a lot of faith in him but there's not a lot wrong with his first five signings is there? Federici Etebo Afobe McClean Ince Yet our squad looks utterly threadbare in terms of players fit for purpose. Thanks to Mark Hughes, we assembled an utterly appalling set of players and we needed to accept early on that we were probably going to need to bring in 9 or 10 new players, even if we managed to keep the back five and Allen. With a week to go, we are still 4 or 5 players short of what is required. I think the delusion of 'we've got our best ever squad and 'I don't know what all the fuss is about' still pervades the boardroom. They genuinely think we can't have spent all this money and have ended up with such a poor squad. The transfer team isn't going to contradict this as it will shine a light on their failings.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 29, 2018 9:11:04 GMT
I've just heard Jose Mourinho say that he gave five names of players he wanted to the club months ago. He now hopes he might get two, but expects only to get one. If Man U struggle to get the right players in, why do some people expect Stoke to bring in whoever they want, whenever they choose? Man utd are going after players like Perisic, the most in demand players in the world.bloody hell
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2018 9:12:00 GMT
Because the club made a very public statement promising a complete overhaul at the club in an attempt to get back up? The most important overhaul has been with the manager and his coaching team. This has been done. A number of good-looking signings have been made. All this is not bad in the time there has been. Many of the moans have been about the players who are still with us. If they don't want to leave, there's not much that can be done. Hughes spent five years systematically taking our club apart, so we need to be a bit more patient about the rebuilding. I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 9:14:01 GMT
We have a reasonable first eleven, but with some glaring weakness in various positions, and as during last season we still can't defend and we still can't score goals, so in that respect nothing has really changed even with our new manager.
GR is quite right to keep mentioning the fact that we still need at least 4 more players but with Teflon and Hoss involved I think the chances of that happening this week are remote to say the least. I hope we'll get at least 2 more this week, and then probably 2 more loans before the end of August.
I think the Coates's statement straight after relegation, which promised the major overhaul was issued in an attempt to calm the fans, and to give us some real hope that things would change on and off the pitch, as well as to try to safeguard season ticket sales. Sadly I think it was just partly empty rhetoric, as only Hughes (and Bowen etc) has gone from the "management" set-up, and our much needed team/squad overhaul is far from being done to a satisfactory level. The main architects of last season's catastrophe remain in place and appear to remain steadfast in their handling of transfers.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 29, 2018 9:56:11 GMT
The most important overhaul has been with the manager and his coaching team. This has been done. A number of good-looking signings have been made. All this is not bad in the time there has been. Many of the moans have been about the players who are still with us. If they don't want to leave, there's not much that can be done. Hughes spent five years systematically taking our club apart, so we need to be a bit more patient about the rebuilding. I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. And it is exactly this that sees me struggle with rowetts early ramblings. I don't share the early faith in rowett and was put off him immensely by derbys abject showing in the play offs. The lack of ambition in their play terrified me where rowett is concerned. Equally, to date, I'm happy with the signings made. All will serve us well at this level and the ambition in keeping our better players is commendable. It all feels a little bit strange and I'm struggling to square it all off in truth. We've done more deals than most if not all yet the manager is still moaning. We've signed some decent players yet the manager is still moaning. We are the richest club in the league by some distance yet we are still seemingly struggling to get deals over the line. All very odd as is the lack of outgoings
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jul 29, 2018 10:15:09 GMT
Surely people understand this won’t be turned round instantly?? If spending money was the holy grail then Man City would have won the Prem much earlier and Chelsea would have won many more trophies It’s not quite that straightforward.... It's the board themselves that have raised expectations and the squad is what it is, there's no getting away from that. And if I'm honest, I think they will deliver and we'll see at least another four come in. My worst fear is majority of fans won’t have much patience and we implode should we not make a decent start It’s a long season and we are rebuilding
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Post by rawli on Jul 29, 2018 10:21:06 GMT
I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. And it is exactly this that sees me struggle with rowetts early ramblings. I don't share the early faith in rowett and was put off him immensely by derbys abject showing in the play offs. The lack of ambition in their play terrified me where rowett is concerned. Equally, to date, I'm happy with the signings made. All will serve us well at this level and the ambition in keeping our better players is commendable. It all feels a little bit strange and I'm struggling to square it all off in truth. We've done more deals than most if not all yet the manager is still moaning. We've signed some decent players yet the manager is still moaning. We are the richest club in the league by some distance yet we are still seemingly struggling to get deals over the line. All very odd as is the lack of outgoings The lack of outgoings must be down to old players wanting to keep their wages and see it out. The club needs to subsidise the wages and get rid.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 29, 2018 10:50:55 GMT
The most important overhaul has been with the manager and his coaching team. This has been done. A number of good-looking signings have been made. All this is not bad in the time there has been. Many of the moans have been about the players who are still with us. If they don't want to leave, there's not much that can be done. Hughes spent five years systematically taking our club apart, so we need to be a bit more patient about the rebuilding. I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. My point is that I think they ARE delivering, but the process is far from complete. If you're right, and the club can achieve the overhaul this summer, then all the better. Those people who expect there to be a completely new squad and for us to be playing like Barcelona in some meaningless friendlies now are the ones who need patience.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 29, 2018 10:55:41 GMT
I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. And it is exactly this that sees me struggle with rowetts early ramblings. I don't share the early faith in rowett and was put off him immensely by derbys abject showing in the play offs. The lack of ambition in their play terrified me where rowett is concerned. Equally, to date, I'm happy with the signings made. All will serve us well at this level and the ambition in keeping our better players is commendable. It all feels a little bit strange and I'm struggling to square it all off in truth. We've done more deals than most if not all yet the manager is still moaning. We've signed some decent players yet the manager is still moaning. We are the richest club in the league by some distance yet we are still seemingly struggling to get deals over the line. All very odd as is the lack of outgoings The lack of outgoings is not odd at all. Why would players whose best days are well behind them move to a lesser club than they are already at?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2018 10:58:26 GMT
I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. My point is that I think they ARE delivering, but the process is far from complete. If you're right, and the club can achieve the overhaul this summer, then all the better. Those people who expect there to be a completely new squad and for us to be playing like Barcelona in some meaningless friendlies now are the ones who need patience. I think we're kind of on the same page, I was taking issue with people using Rowett's comments as a stick to beat him with, as in ... "he's getting his excuses in early" . In my opinion Rowett is right to appear frustrated in order to keep pressure on the board, it's not him getting his excuses in, it's politics, with him attempting to ensure that the club don't renege on their commitment and ultimately I expect they will deliver (in full).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 29, 2018 10:58:36 GMT
And it is exactly this that sees me struggle with rowetts early ramblings. I don't share the early faith in rowett and was put off him immensely by derbys abject showing in the play offs. The lack of ambition in their play terrified me where rowett is concerned. Equally, to date, I'm happy with the signings made. All will serve us well at this level and the ambition in keeping our better players is commendable. It all feels a little bit strange and I'm struggling to square it all off in truth. We've done more deals than most if not all yet the manager is still moaning. We've signed some decent players yet the manager is still moaning. We are the richest club in the league by some distance yet we are still seemingly struggling to get deals over the line. All very odd as is the lack of outgoings The lack of outgoings must be down to old players wanting to keep their wages and see it out. The club needs to subsidise the wages and get rid. If it was that easy to do that, everyone would be doing it.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 29, 2018 11:14:30 GMT
I disagree with you. And I've already said that I think the club will deliver on their comittment THIS summer. If you don't think they will, that's absolutely fine but my impression is that they're not particularly interested in being patient about it. My point is that I think they ARE delivering, but the process is far from complete. If you're right, and the club can achieve the overhaul this summer, then all the better. Those people who expect there to be a completely new squad and for us to be playing like Barcelona in some meaningless friendlies now are the ones who need patience. Nothing wrong with the process
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 29, 2018 11:38:22 GMT
My point is that I think they ARE delivering, but the process is far from complete. If you're right, and the club can achieve the overhaul this summer, then all the better. Those people who expect there to be a completely new squad and for us to be playing like Barcelona in some meaningless friendlies now are the ones who need patience. I think we're kind of on the same page, I was taking issue with people using Rowett's comments as a stick to beat him with, as in ... "he's getting his excuses in early" . In my opinion Rowett is right to appear frustrated in order to keep pressure on the board, it's not him getting his excuses in, it's politics, with him attempting to ensure that the club don't renege on their commitment and ultimately I expect they will deliver (in full). Agreed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:21:45 GMT
Rowett is moaning because he has a squad of players that simply are either too old, too injured or just not good enough to play his style of football, regardless of how much money he has spent.
It is up to the club to do due diligence on their choice of manager during the recruitment process to analyse and assess the amount of squad churn required and if it is financially and physically feasible to do it.
If not, you appoint another manager.
It is alleged that Rowett was first choice in January so they have few excuses given they've had over 5 months to prepare the ground for his arrival.
All this on top of the now fabled promise of overhauls.
The club hasn't done enough outs or ins either this summer or any summer dating back three or more years.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2018 0:40:16 GMT
Surely people understand this won’t be turned round instantly?? If spending money was the holy grail then Man City would have won the Prem much earlier and Chelsea would have won many more trophies It’s not quite that straightforward.... It's the board themselves that have raised expectations and the squad is what it is, there's no getting away from that. And if I'm honest, I think they will deliver and we'll see at least another four come in. I can't see it at all. I think unless we shift some deadwood (which is unlikely) we'll only see 1 in (a defender)
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Post by duckling on Jul 30, 2018 2:59:40 GMT
Tangentially related question, who are the pizza boys, just Scholes and Cartwright? And why are they called the pizza boys?
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 30, 2018 3:43:52 GMT
Tangentially related question, who are the pizza boys, just Scholes and Cartwright? And why are they called the pizza boys? They spent deadline day a few seasons ago on the phone to Pizza Hut rather than doing their job so the only new arrivals that day were a meat feast and a pepperoni stuffed crust.
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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 30, 2018 3:51:05 GMT
Tangentially related question, who are the pizza boys, just Scholes and Cartwright? And why are they called the pizza boys? A few years back it was live on Sky Sports News footage of them cheering in the office window, the reporter thought we had a signing everyone else did and it turns out they cheered because they got to order pizza.
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