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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jul 14, 2018 16:08:10 GMT
So because we have glaring issues to work on that means some of you are still not behind the team?!... its a really fucking odd glory hunting-esque mentality if you ask me. You're English, you don't have a choice. It makes me wonder why they're Stoke fans. We're hardly Man City are we? It's a mentality totally at odds with supporting a club like ours.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 16:12:35 GMT
Nothing up front 'till second half which was much better. The front two of Sterling and Kane were crap. If Kane is fit then I'm playing right wing for Stoke next season. Sterling doing well what Sterling does , NOTHING.
I've seen less pass backs in a rugby game than what we played first half. Then going forward we look fine until we pass the half way line where the entire team drop to walking pace with no movement allowing the opposition time to get back.
I want one of the people who always harp on about our young lads getting a chance in the premiership to tell me how many places have the Belgium players got in it reserved for them? How many of their youngsters play in the prem?....So that excuse is down the pan then, isn't it.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 14, 2018 16:20:05 GMT
Thanks for trying Gareth but not good enough , need new manager in for the next World Cup How do you work that one out? Out of interest, who would you appoint? Just my opinion , he’s not good enough tactically , when we’ve come up against a good team we’ve been left wanting
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jul 14, 2018 16:23:09 GMT
How do you work that one out? Out of interest, who would you appoint? Just my opinion , he’s not good enough tactically , when we’ve come up against a good team we’ve been left wanting Who would you appoint?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 14, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
I'm really unsure about that. I think England move the ball forward way too slowly to create much. In fact England have just beaten one half decent team in this tournament and that is Sweden. Croatia with a population of 4-5 million people and Belgium with around 11 million people have been too good for old England. I'm not belittleing England, but trying to put it into perspective. England have some promising players to build a team around like Maguire and Kane, but especially in midfield it looks a bit limited in my opinion. There is a gaping chasm of quality and guile in central midfield which stems from years of the ever so forward-thinking clubs and FA stipulating that unless you're a 7 foot brick shithouse with the touch of an elephant you can't make it as a footballer. We've been crying out for it for years. We do seem to be slowly moving in the right direction and there are positive signs such as a goalkeeper and back 3/5 who are comfortable on the ball and forward players with genuine pace. We've just got no-one and I mean no-one who is capable of threading a through ball through a couple of players on the edge of the box; no-one to play forward passes from deeper. Too much sideways and backwards unfortunately. I noticed today that Rashford was fuming when nobody tried to put him through when there was a lot of space behind the Belgium defence. This quality is certainly lacking in this midfield, not too bad at defending, but too little creativity.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 14, 2018 16:31:11 GMT
Should they be judged only for the games against the weakest side in the tournament + against a Nort-African side?
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 16:31:47 GMT
We get way too giddy. The Scottish, Irish and Welsh will tell you that too. We're shite. We’re not shite mate at all but we’re nowhere near as good as some folk think imo Until we beat the best then don't say that.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 14, 2018 16:33:16 GMT
..... positives from this tournament - Trippier, Maguire & Pickford. Young squad picked by Southgate. Generally positive substitutions. Er, that’s about it And no Wilshire anywhere to be seen. Surely, also, the attempt to play with a plan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
Pundits just said England fans have been brought back into the fold! Not this one. They don't kid me. Not good enough, yet again! In what way not good enough, do you expect us to win it? We don't have the players.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 14, 2018 16:39:42 GMT
Just my opinion , he’s not good enough tactically , when we’ve come up against a good team we’ve been left wanting Who would you appoint? I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 14, 2018 16:41:13 GMT
We’re not shite mate at all but we’re nowhere near as good as some folk think imo Until we beat the best then don't say that. Right so it's purely binary? How nuanced.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jul 14, 2018 16:45:43 GMT
I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward How have we failed? Yes, on the face of it, whenever we've come up against one of the supposed top teams we've lost but compare us now to how we looked 2 years ago under Hodgson is night and day. We have a system the players look comfortable in and everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. You can't sack the manager after guiding us to a first world cup semi final in 28 years. We've gone down every avenue in the last 15 years: 'Top' foreign manager, 'Top' England coach who knows the players, 'Top' foreign disciplinarian, 'Top' experienced Englishman. What's left? We may as well give Southgate the chance to lead us forward. He talks sense and has been better than anyone in the last 30 years.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 14, 2018 16:54:42 GMT
Things won't change overnight but we are definitely moving in the right direction. We have a structure and Southgate is picking players to suit the structure. We lack creative midfield players but hopefully the likes of Loftus-Cheek and Foden will move to clubs that will give them necessary game time to improve. As much as it hurts me to say I think Wilshere will feature very much in the England set up if he stays fit now that he's left Arsenal.
For the first time in many years we actually seem to have the right people in charge who know what they want and aren't afraid to upset a few egos to get what they want.
I was as underwhelmed as the rest of the country when Southgate was appointed, I'm now a fully converted on board England fan again.
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Post by redrob on Jul 14, 2018 16:59:51 GMT
So we finish with a record of played 7 won 3 lost 3 drawn 1
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Post by felonious on Jul 14, 2018 17:04:53 GMT
I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward How have we failed? Yes, on the face of it, whenever we've come up against one of the supposed top teams we've lost but compare us now to how we looked 2 years ago under Hodgson is night and day. We have a system the players look comfortable in and everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. You can't sack the manager after guiding us to a first world cup semi final in 28 years. We've gone down every avenue in the last 15 years: 'Top' foreign manager, 'Top' England coach who knows the players, 'Top' foreign disciplinarian, 'Top' experienced Englishman. What's left? We may as well give Southgate the chance to lead us forward. He talks sense and has been better than anyone in the last 30 years. We need Tony Pulis
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2018 17:05:17 GMT
I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward Cop out. How have we failed?! Push us forward?! So, your new manager that you can't name is definitely going to turn us from Semi Finalists to winners?!...
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Post by The man from Utch on Jul 14, 2018 17:05:35 GMT
I personally think we are better than the negativity aimed at this squad of players. Without doubt Belgium are better than us, but i thought against a much better team(Belgiums golden generation) we did well against them, in 2 to 4 years time, i have no doubt the outcome of this game will be different. We are a little naive due to inexperience at this level, but as far as i am concerned i think the future is going to be more than the same old England. It's going to come home one day in the near future.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 17:18:14 GMT
Until we beat the best then don't say that. Right so it's purely binary? How nuanced. We beat a top 16 side on penalties. We narrowly beat Tunisia who are 21st in the World. The best you can come back with is we beat a country who are 24th in the World. Unless there are better numbers, don't bother.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 14, 2018 17:21:20 GMT
Until we beat the best then don't say that. Right so it's purely binary? How nuanced. Exactly, World beaters or just shite. There is no in between apparently!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 14, 2018 17:25:19 GMT
Right so it's purely binary? How nuanced. We beat a top 16 side on penalties. We narrowly beat Tunisia who are 21st in the World. The best you can come back with is we beat a country who are 24th in the World. Unless there are better numbers, don't bother. Which addresses literally nothing of the point he was making. I think most on here would much rather you didn't bother mate, you're simply a troll who talks utter shite and rarely has any answer to any posts that question you so you avoid, deflect or insult. Sad little arrogant, patronising man with a massively deluded belief of his own intelligence. Your posts display quite clearly that your brain power is far more lacking than you realise. Toddle off you miserable old cunt
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 14, 2018 17:25:43 GMT
I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward Cop out. How have we failed?! Push us forward?! So, your new manager that you can't name is definitely going to turn us from Semi Finalists to winners?!... Chill out enjoy the sun , it’s just an opinion , it’s called a fans forum , I’m sure a lot on here don’t agree with the shit you spout on about but that’s your opinion
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 14, 2018 17:26:39 GMT
I’m not paid to make that decision , but we’re fsiled and we need a new man at the helm to push us forward How have we failed? Yes, on the face of it, whenever we've come up against one of the supposed top teams we've lost but compare us now to how we looked 2 years ago under Hodgson is night and day. We have a system the players look comfortable in and everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. You can't sack the manager after guiding us to a first world cup semi final in 28 years. We've gone down every avenue in the last 15 years: 'Top' foreign manager, 'Top' England coach who knows the players, 'Top' foreign disciplinarian, 'Top' experienced Englishman. What's left? We may as well give Southgate the chance to lead us forward. He talks sense and has been better than anyone in the last 30 years. That’s your opinion and I respect that
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 17:28:07 GMT
We beat a top 16 side on penalties. We narrowly beat Tunisia who are 21st in the World. The best you can come back with is we beat a country who are 24th in the World. Unless there are better numbers, don't bother. Which addresses literally nothing of the point he was making. I think most on here would much rather you didn't bother mate, you're simply a troll who talks utter shite and rarely has any answer to any posts that question you so you avoid, deflect or insult. Sad little arrogant, patronising man with a massively deluded belief of his own intelligence. Your posts display quite clearly that your brain power is far more lacking than you realise. Toddle off you miserable old cunt The irony... England are not what you think, btw.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jul 14, 2018 17:29:01 GMT
We’re not shite mate at all but we’re nowhere near as good as some folk think imo Until we beat the best then don't say that. Ask a German if they think Mexico or and South Korea are shite. Of cause there is no easy games but no doubt it the Fatherland they thought they would piss that group, you'd be in denial to think or say otherwise.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 17:30:55 GMT
Until we beat the best then don't say that. Ask a German if they think Mexico or and South Korea are shite. Of cause there is no easy games but no doubt it the Fatherland they thought they would piss that group, you'd be in denial to think or say otherwise. Germany are going through a transition, like they were in 1994. It happens. They will get better so calm down.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2018 17:42:34 GMT
I genuinly think we'll be stronger come the next world cup. We've at last got something to build on
- A man in charge who us liked by pretty much all. Highly likeable and clearly respected by the players - Some excellent players particularly at the back Pickford/Jack, Trippier, Stones, Maguire (next England captain), Lingard, Kane, Rashford, The Ox. - Players coming through like Sessignon and Foden coming through and no doubt more that we don't even know yet.
With a bit more creativity and pace in our build up we'll be right up there.
I'd like to think that the likes of Dier, Jones and Cahill will be slowly phased out as better players come through.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 17:52:12 GMT
I genuinly think we'll be stronger come the next world cup. We've at last got something to build on - A man in charge who us liked by pretty much all. Highly likeable and clearly respected by the players - Some excellent players particularly at the back Pickford/Jack, Trippier, Stones, Maguire (next England captain), Lingard, Kane, Rashford, The Ox. - Players coming through like Sessignon and Foden coming through and no doubt more that we don't even know yet. With a bit more creativity and pace in our build up we'll be right up there. I'd like to think that the likes of Dier, Jones and Cahill will be slowly phased out as better players come through. We had something to build on in '90, '96, '98. That's it. It won't happen because we're English and there's a mentality unlike anywhere else. Stop trying to be nice.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jul 14, 2018 17:52:47 GMT
Ask a German if they think Mexico or and South Korea are shite. Of cause there is no easy games but no doubt it the Fatherland they thought they would piss that group, you'd be in denial to think or say otherwise. Germany are going through a transition, like they were in 1994. It happens. They will get better so calm down. So are we,that is my point, we are in transition period from a shite golden generation team that did not give a shit about the shirt(for whatever reason), to a team that maybe just maybe give us a good reason to get behind them. Again we lost to a golden generation team that unlike ours in the past actually showed up. I'm pretty calm mate in the fact that the future is bright for England as far as i am concerned.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 14, 2018 17:59:58 GMT
Germany are going through a transition, like they were in 1994. It happens. They will get better so calm down. So are we,that is my point, we are in transition period from a shite golden generation team that did not give a shit about the shirt(for whatever reason), to a team that maybe just maybe give us a good reason to get behind them. Again we lost to a golden generation team that unlike ours in the past actually showed up. I'm pretty calm mate in the fact that the future is bright for England as far as i am concerned. Live the dream. I won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 18:00:23 GMT
Well that was a damp squid.
😉
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