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Post by nott1 on May 29, 2018 17:05:20 GMT
Somebody on here was lauding these Chinese owners a couple of weeks ago and wanting us to swap PC for one......careful what you wish for!
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Post by Pugsley on May 29, 2018 17:07:06 GMT
With our spending power, there is no reason why we shouldn't piss the Championship.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2018 17:10:21 GMT
Just hope this isn’t us in 3 years time
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Post by liam007 on May 29, 2018 18:26:31 GMT
Just hope this isn’t us in 3 years time Nothing to worry about mate,we'll be in The Champions League in 3 years.  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 29, 2018 18:38:41 GMT
He's back at West Ham, his club isn't he? He was on loan at Villa. Yes and they don’t want him I wonder why? |
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Post by pyrus on May 29, 2018 18:39:15 GMT
With our spending power, there is no reason why we shouldn't piss the Championship. Isn’t that part of what went wrong at Villa. Right now we are the same team that got trounced out of the cup by a league 2 club. I don’t think the Championship is going to be that easy and we shouldn’t be that arrogant. |
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Post by Billy the kid on May 29, 2018 18:46:07 GMT
I think the warning signs are all there, we really need a good window thats for sure. Get a few quality players in and get the feel good factor going.
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Post by GoBoks on May 29, 2018 19:14:38 GMT
Who will score our goals? Our new Striker(s)? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:38:06 GMT
We shouldn't go for aging prem players. They have huge wages and no resale if we go up or don't.
We need promising young players that will hold their value even if we don't go up.
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2018 20:15:21 GMT
This should be an example to the stoke board of what's gonna happen if we dont get whats needed. Works both ways though, doesn't it? Villa spent big to gamble on them coming back up. It's backfired, now a club of Villa's size are in the shit. What happens if we plough a fucktonne of cash into getting promotion like a lot of fans are expecting and we don't get it? We take a fine once we have been promoted, just like Leicester |
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Post by Block 22 on May 29, 2018 21:15:57 GMT
I’d take Kodjia
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:46:10 GMT
With our spending power, there is no reason why we shouldn't piss the Championship. Isn’t that part of what went wrong at Villa. Right now we are the same team that got trounced out of the cup by a league 2 club. I don’t think the Championship is going to be that easy and we shouldn’t be that arrogant. We haven’t got Roberto Di Matteo at the helm though. If Bruce was in charge from the off, they’d have probably been promoted. |
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Post by johnmarshcardschool on May 29, 2018 21:53:13 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!!  No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. |
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Post by Billy the kid on May 29, 2018 22:20:13 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!! No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. 200k a week fuck me |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2018 22:24:21 GMT
Somebody on here was lauding these Chinese owners a couple of weeks ago and wanting us to swap PC for one......careful what you wish for! Eh? It's because their money from the PL will be reduced and they've got to cut their cloth accordingly. The same will happen to us if we stay down for the time they have. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 29, 2018 22:27:52 GMT
The whole club seems traumatised.
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Post by jzime on May 29, 2018 22:29:51 GMT
Who will score our goals? On the basis of guesswork and rumours, I would suspect that the club might be banking on Matěj Vydra to score a fair few for us this season. I personally wouldn't be adverse to poaching a few Villa players, mind. |
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Post by tony1234 on May 29, 2018 23:09:09 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!! No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. (Am taking this data from Deloitte's latest report with 2016 data - so perhaps add a bit on, but these numbers just show how shocking this situation is!....) To put into context just how big this 200k /week, its 10m/year - Compare this against the average Champs club revenues of 23m! (17m for those without parachute payments, 33m with parachute). And £10m would be funding something like 2/3 of the entire staff of a mid table/mid sized team. And the other implication - we basically have to remove about 2/3 off our wage bill of c100m if we want revenue to exceed wages next year. But we have parachute payments to cushion this fall.... Thinking about Hull, Newcastle, Sunderland, Boro, the reality for the past few seasons seems to be that clubs who are relegated spend an average of about 30m less in player transfers than they sell, in the year after relegation. But over the next 2-3 years, if still in the division, their wages need to become an average of about 15% of the value they were in the PL, so they shed more. Our hope - Deloitte reported that in the Championship, the wage-to-revenue ratio reached pretty much 100% in 2016, meaning most Champs clubs are skint and £5m should generally be a lot to them if we spot one of their players we like and who the PL clubs show little interest in! Also, if we then move to L1, the revenues reduce by another factor of x4, so 2m should be alot to them if we spot anyone good! There is a strong correlation between wages paid and league position, so we do need to buy... The take out - if we approach this with a business hat on: We need to "do a Villa" and give it a go next year while we still have an advantage over others for 1-2 years, except, unlike with Villa, DONT hire the Whelan's and Terry's who are burning high wages but are not an asset that can be cashed in. VIlla will now have to cash in other assets they may want to keep to balance their books (Grealish? Hourihane? Chester etc?) - its a double whammy to their squad. Whoever we buy now, we may also need to be prepared to have to shed these players in 2-3 years time if we fail to go up. But if that happens, we can at least recycle some cash after servicing the debts and be ready to buy again, albeit more modestly. So we ought, now, to be looking more, perhaps, at 22-27 year olds with resale value than senior pros, unless they take wage cuts. (Ticks for Vydra, Gayle, Pearson; Crosses for Snodgrass, Walters, Huth). (I also hope the "transfer imbeciles" are making Hannover pay a good chunk of Wimmer's wages, otherwise they'd surely have been better letting him go for 3m-5m now.) www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/annual-review-of-football-finance.html |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 30, 2018 0:32:39 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!! No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Holy freakin shit.....which clown put Berah-fuckedoff, Zimmer & Motel on that much.....they ought to be sacked for that alone!!!  |
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Post by callas12 on May 30, 2018 2:01:24 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Holy freakin shit.....which clown put Berah-fuckedoff, Zimmer & Motel on that much.....they ought to be sacked for that alone!!! Them figures are shocking. We ought to at least double Butlands wages in attempt to keep him on board if no big money offer comes in.. Interesting to read the wage structures of other clubs. Burnley appear to have a wage cap that they stick religiously too. & after the season they've had last year fair play to them bringing players in who don't break their upper wage seal.. Alex Pritchard at Huddersfield on £110k a week, with the next highest earner being Mooy on £50k is a huge cap.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 6:56:41 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. (Am taking this data from Deloitte's latest report with 2016 data - so perhaps add a bit on, but these numbers just show how shocking this situation is!....) To put into context just how big this 200k /week, its 10m/year - Compare this against the average Champs club revenues of 23m! (17m for those without parachute payments, 33m with parachute). And £10m would be funding something like 2/3 of the entire staff of a mid table/mid sized team. And the other implication - we basically have to remove about 2/3 off our wage bill of c100m if we want revenue to exceed wages next year. But we have parachute payments to cushion this fall.... Thinking about Hull, Newcastle, Sunderland, Boro, the reality for the past few seasons seems to be that clubs who are relegated spend an average of about 30m less in player transfers than they sell, in the year after relegation. But over the next 2-3 years, if still in the division, their wages need to become an average of about 15% of the value they were in the PL, so they shed more. Our hope - Deloitte reported that in the Championship, the wage-to-revenue ratio reached pretty much 100% in 2016, meaning most Champs clubs are skint and £5m should generally be a lot to them if we spot one of their players we like and who the PL clubs show little interest in! Also, if we then move to L1, the revenues reduce by another factor of x4, so 2m should be alot to them if we spot anyone good! There is a strong correlation between wages paid and league position, so we do need to buy... The take out - if we approach this with a business hat on: We need to "do a Villa" and give it a go next year while we still have an advantage over others for 1-2 years, except, unlike with Villa, DONT hire the Whelan's and Terry's who are burning high wages but are not an asset that can be cashed in. VIlla will now have to cash in other assets they may want to keep to balance their books (Grealish? Hourihane? Chester etc?) - its a double whammy to their squad. Whoever we buy now, we may also need to be prepared to have to shed these players in 2-3 years time if we fail to go up. But if that happens, we can at least recycle some cash after servicing the debts and be ready to buy again, albeit more modestly. So we ought, now, to be looking more, perhaps, at 22-27 year olds with resale value than senior pros, unless they take wage cuts. (Ticks for Vydra, Gayle, Pearson; Crosses for Snodgrass, Walters, Huth). (I also hope the "transfer imbeciles" are making Hannover pay a good chunk of Wimmer's wages, otherwise they'd surely have been better letting him go for 3m-5m now.) www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/annual-review-of-football-finance.htmlGreat post 👍 I wish we'd of gone for more players from the lower leagues who were ok with the English game instead of some of the duffers we gambled on. Even N'zonzi was comfortable in the UK and our style of football with Blackburn. Decent coaches would've brought them on |
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Post by harryburrows on May 30, 2018 7:06:01 GMT
Just hope this isn’t us in 3 years time Is it just three years since they went down ? Didn't take long for them to be forgotten |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 30, 2018 9:14:16 GMT
Holy freakin shit.....which clown put Berah-fuckedoff, Zimmer & Motel on that much.....they ought to be sacked for that alone!!! Them figures are shocking. We ought to at least double Butlands wages in attempt to keep him on board if no big money offer comes in.. Interesting to read the wage structures of other clubs. Burnley appear to have a wage cap that they stick religiously too. & after the season they've had last year fair play to them bringing players in who don't break their upper wage seal.. Alex Pritchard at Huddersfield on £110k a week, with the next highest earner being Mooy on £50k is a huge cap.. Can't believe that three top earners (according to that link) are the three of the worst (attitude or playing wise) we have at the club right now, know wonder we're in such a fuckin mess!!! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2018 11:17:16 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. (Am taking this data from Deloitte's latest report with 2016 data - so perhaps add a bit on, but these numbers just show how shocking this situation is!....) To put into context just how big this 200k /week, its 10m/year - Compare this against the average Champs club revenues of 23m! (17m for those without parachute payments, 33m with parachute). And £10m would be funding something like 2/3 of the entire staff of a mid table/mid sized team. And the other implication - we basically have to remove about 2/3 off our wage bill of c100m if we want revenue to exceed wages next year. But we have parachute payments to cushion this fall.... Thinking about Hull, Newcastle, Sunderland, Boro, the reality for the past few seasons seems to be that clubs who are relegated spend an average of about 30m less in player transfers than they sell, in the year after relegation. But over the next 2-3 years, if still in the division, their wages need to become an average of about 15% of the value they were in the PL, so they shed more. Our hope - Deloitte reported that in the Championship, the wage-to-revenue ratio reached pretty much 100% in 2016, meaning most Champs clubs are skint and £5m should generally be a lot to them if we spot one of their players we like and who the PL clubs show little interest in! Also, if we then move to L1, the revenues reduce by another factor of x4, so 2m should be alot to them if we spot anyone good! There is a strong correlation between wages paid and league position, so we do need to buy... The take out - if we approach this with a business hat on: We need to "do a Villa" and give it a go next year while we still have an advantage over others for 1-2 years, except, unlike with Villa, DONT hire the Whelan's and Terry's who are burning high wages but are not an asset that can be cashed in. VIlla will now have to cash in other assets they may want to keep to balance their books (Grealish? Hourihane? Chester etc?) - its a double whammy to their squad. Whoever we buy now, we may also need to be prepared to have to shed these players in 2-3 years time if we fail to go up. But if that happens, we can at least recycle some cash after servicing the debts and be ready to buy again, albeit more modestly. So we ought, now, to be looking more, perhaps, at 22-27 year olds with resale value than senior pros, unless they take wage cuts. (Ticks for Vydra, Gayle, Pearson; Crosses for Snodgrass, Walters, Huth). (I also hope the "transfer imbeciles" are making Hannover pay a good chunk of Wimmer's wages, otherwise they'd surely have been better letting him go for 3m-5m now.) www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/annual-review-of-football-finance.htmlWhat an absolutely cracking post Tony. Thanks very much for articulating all that, I couldn't agree more. |
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Post by werrington on May 30, 2018 11:35:29 GMT
Many on here don’t realise the parachute payments are to help keep the club running etc once the tv money has ended and until it reduces its costs
It’s not there to fund transfers
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Post by RAF on May 30, 2018 11:38:27 GMT
Many on here don’t realise the parachute payments are to help keep the club running etc once the tv money has ended and until it reduces its costs It’s not there to fund transfers If only we had billionaire owners hey Wezza ;) H |
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Post by werrington on May 30, 2018 11:42:26 GMT
Many on here don’t realise the parachute payments are to help keep the club running etc once the tv money has ended and until it reduces its costs It’s not there to fund transfers If only we had billionaire owners hey Wezza  H That’s twice now so I’m biting 😊 They funded it for 5 years with no sales and always stated it couldn’t go on which brought about self sufficiency It’s happening now and it’s the reality mate |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2018 11:43:58 GMT
Many on here don’t realise the parachute payments are to help keep the club running etc once the tv money has ended and until it reduces its costs It’s not there to fund transfers If only we had billionaire owners hey Wezza H Villa have got billionaire owners but they're up shit creek without a paddle now because they've got to fall in line with FFP. |
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Post by RAF on May 30, 2018 11:58:39 GMT
If only we had billionaire owners hey Wezza ;) H That’s twice now so I’m biting 😊 They funded it for 5 years with no sales and always stated it couldn’t go on which brought about self sufficiency It’s happening now and it’s the reality mate :) They weren't as rich as they are now. Self sufficiency in this game is bollox Wezza, you know it and I know it. H |
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Post by RAF on May 30, 2018 12:01:02 GMT
If only we had billionaire owners hey Wezza ;) H Villa have got billionaire owners but they're up shit creek without a paddle now because they've got to fall in line with FFP. There are ways round that Paul. Look at Chelsea and how many players they have out on loan. Bit of advice from Abramovic could be key. H |
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