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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:36:57 GMT
Takes a lot of imagining at the moment   |
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Post by andystokey on May 27, 2018 18:38:46 GMT
75-80 would give you a chance of 2nd or playoffs.
2 points per game should be a sensible target.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:40:16 GMT
75-80 would give you a chance of 2nd or playoffs. 2 points per game should be a sensible target. A few changes needed Got to have 1 or 2 prolific scorers |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 27, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
I don't think there will be another wolves next year. Two points per game or a bit short of that should be enough.
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 18:48:39 GMT
Takes a lot of imagining at the moment Everything about the club and its football is too pragmatic to achieve automatic promotion 12 seasons out of 13. The Prem has been going for 26 years and we are the joint record low points scorers for automatic promotion. Only a change in mindset will change that. I'm not sure the new bloke is any sort of change in direction other than retracing our steps. |
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Post by Davef on May 27, 2018 18:53:58 GMT
89 is the average number of points won by the runners up in the ten seasons we've been away.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:58:40 GMT
They always say.... if you dont bounce right back you will stay there
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:59:54 GMT
The top 2 on each of the last 5 seasons have gone up with:
- 93+ (3rd had 85 points)
- 89+ (3rd had 86 points)
- 89+ (3rd also had 89 points!)
- 93+ (3rd had 85 points)
- 90+ (3rd had 88 points)
Just shows the challenge we are up against imho. There are no periods of the season we can afford to let the tempo drop; for a 90 point season we need to have a circa 2 PPG average (equivalent to 6 wins and 2 draws every 10 matches, 7 wins every 10, or 5 wins and 5 draws every 10 games). It's a huge task.
EDIT: To get into the play-offs you needed:
- 72+ points
- 78+ points
- 74+ points
- 80+ points
- 75+ points
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 19:04:34 GMT
89 is the average number of points won by the runners up in the ten seasons we've been away. Maybe we shouldn't aim for second spot. Fall slightly short and you've only got a 25% chance of promotion. Aim for 1st place and fall slightly short you have 100% chance of promotion. Stokies never dare to dream it's so limiting. |
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Post by Davef on May 27, 2018 19:09:12 GMT
89 is the average number of points won by the runners up in the ten seasons we've been away. Maybe we shouldn't aim for second spot. Fall slightly short and you've only got a 25% chance of promotion. Aim for 1st place and fall slightly short you have 100% chance of promotion. Stokies never dare to dream it's so limiting. The thread title is nearly 100 points to get back to the Prem. 2nd in the Championship gets you to the Prem. I don't remember too many people being that bothered about it in 2008. |
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Post by thevue on May 27, 2018 19:11:48 GMT
Lose the first 16 games, win the next 30 piece of piss
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2018 19:18:47 GMT
Maybe we shouldn't aim for second spot. Fall slightly short and you've only got a 25% chance of promotion. Aim for 1st place and fall slightly short you have 100% chance of promotion. Stokies never dare to dream it's so limiting. The thread title is nearly 100 points to get back to the Prem. 2nd in the Championship gets you to the Prem. I don't remember too many people being that bothered about it in 2008. Wasn't our points total in getting automatic promotion one of the lowest ever? |
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 19:21:27 GMT
The thread title is nearly 100 points to get back to the Prem. 2nd in the Championship gets you to the Prem. I don't remember too many people being that bothered about it in 2008. Wasn't our points total in getting automatic promotion one of the lowest ever? Joint with Kingston City (Hull). As blueprints for promotion go its a pretty poor one. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 27, 2018 22:10:35 GMT
Wasn't our points total in getting automatic promotion one of the lowest ever? Joint with Kingston City (Hull). As blueprints for promotion go its a pretty poor one. But still quite a lot less than 100 points. |
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Post by duckling on May 28, 2018 1:34:54 GMT
The top 2 on each of the last 5 seasons have gone up with: - 93+ (3rd had 85 points) - 89+ (3rd had 86 points) - 89+ (3rd also had 89 points!) - 93+ (3rd had 85 points) - 90+ (3rd had 88 points) Just shows the challenge we are up against imho. There are no periods of the season we can afford to let the tempo drop; for a 90 point season we need to have a circa 2 PPG average (equivalent to 6 wins and 2 draws every 10 matches, 7 wins every 10, or 5 wins and 5 draws every 10 games). It's a huge task. EDIT: To get into the play-offs you needed: - 72+ points - 78+ points - 74+ points - 80+ points - 75+ points Based on these stats, I reckon an automatic promotion season is way more fun than a realistic season in the Premier League for these teams. Winning week after week, then a huge prize and pitch invasion at the end. But that doesn't seem to be the case in reality as fans of promoted teams often say nothing beats the first season up. |
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Post by madnellie on May 28, 2018 2:31:28 GMT
The top 2 on each of the last 5 seasons have gone up with: - 93+ (3rd had 85 points) - 89+ (3rd had 86 points) - 89+ (3rd also had 89 points!) - 93+ (3rd had 85 points) - 90+ (3rd had 88 points) Just shows the challenge we are up against imho. There are no periods of the season we can afford to let the tempo drop; for a 90 point season we need to have a circa 2 PPG average (equivalent to 6 wins and 2 draws every 10 matches, 7 wins every 10, or 5 wins and 5 draws every 10 games). It's a huge task. EDIT: To get into the play-offs you needed: - 72+ points - 78+ points - 74+ points - 80+ points - 75+ points Based on these stats, I reckon an automatic promotion season is way more fun than a realistic season in the Premier League for these teams. Winning week after week, then a huge prize and pitch invasion at the end. But that doesn't seem to be the case in reality as fans of promoted teams often say nothing beats the first season up. Hopefully you'll be able to find out both things first hand in the next couple of seasons |
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Post by portugalpotter on May 28, 2018 4:46:08 GMT
Since we were last there it just seems there are far more midweek games. Collecting points on the cold winter nights is massive. When looking at Cardiff/ Villa /Derby and Fulham during the past season it always had a stage where one of them was going to accompany the Dingles and be promoted with games to spare. Then they would somehow lose to Bolton or Burton. Next season will be no different. When watching from the sidelines for those 10 years the season also seemed to start after about 32 games. There can't be any respite. Somehow the players, board and supporters have got to be up for it . That's unless The Chumpionship is the ambition of EVERYONE.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 6:25:41 GMT
We desperately need a new stable of striking options.
Vydra would be a decent start but I still think we should be looking at getting someone like Vokes in alongside. Even then, I'm not confident with any of the current crop having a decent input. So maybe we need 3 in?
We need to be sure that the minimum 70-80 goals we're going to need, are coming from somewhere.
In fact, typing that last bit, I haven't got a clue how we're going to bag that many. 10 years of a goal-a-game average, does that to a man. Example:
Vydra 20 goals
Vokes-type 17 goals
Leaves another 35-40 goals spread through the rest of the team. I'm not even sure what a goal-scoring Centre Mid looks like. Don't get me started on Centre Halves from set-pieces 👀
<Shudder>.
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Post by lancyclaret on May 28, 2018 9:59:56 GMT
We desperately need a new stable of striking options. Vydra would be a decent start but I still think we should be looking at getting someone like Vokes in alongside. Even then, I'm not confident with any of the current crop having a decent input. So maybe we need 3 in? We need to be sure that the minimum 70-80 goals we're going to need, are coming from somewhere. In fact, typing that last bit, I haven't got a clue how we're going to bag that many. 10 years of a goal-a-game average, does that to a man. Example: Vydra 20 goals Vokes-type 17 goals Leaves another 35-40 goals spread through the rest of the team. I'm not even sure what a goal-scoring Centre Mid looks like. Don't get me started on Centre Halves from set-pieces 👀 <Shudder>. Sam Vokes scored 20 in 39 games when Burnley finished 2nd in 2013/14. Ings got 25. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 10:31:54 GMT
How many points do we need to stay up? That's the first target .
So many people already patting us on the back for promotion with a team that hasn't kicked a ball and a manager with a 0 0 0 record so far.
The reality is if we replaced EVERY player , the manager and ALL the coaching and backroom staff with FM2018 players on a day trip to McDonalds we would improve over last season, but to think we were anywhere near ready for promotion is just pie in the sky at the moment.
We face a long hard season where we have to earn every point. Other teams will be looking for our scalp and Aston Villa think they are the Champions elect.
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