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Post by nott1 on Aug 8, 2018 6:53:57 GMT
Like i've been saying for days, he's not good enough for a top six side and Chelski would not want him! We are stuck with him for now or sell him cheaply (for what he's now worth).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 8, 2018 6:59:57 GMT
Que double your wages new contract for Butland.
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Post by stokienorthants on Aug 8, 2018 7:16:24 GMT
After his howlers last season and his poor start to this I don’t think his stock has ever been so low. It speaks volumes that Chelsea would rather spend £70m on Kepa than save around £50m and take a gamble on Jack.
He’a going nowhere.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 8, 2018 7:24:40 GMT
Que double your wages new contract for Butland. The only contract negotiation should be a pay cut in line with being a championship keeper
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Post by skelman on Aug 8, 2018 7:26:53 GMT
Que double your wages new contract for Butland. It clearly hasn't happened yet Cobham and probably for several reasons. And I wouldn't do it yet! Think I'd have a short but pertinent heart to heart with Jack and and offer the incentive of a contract renegotiation in December based on him getting his head down and his act together to find some form after this massively unsettling period!
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 8, 2018 9:59:12 GMT
So jack's errors at the end of last season, and now his first game this season is ensuring no top club - or mid league team for that matter out of the prem are looking at him. Is that good news? I don't think so as his value is drooping like a stone and any more simple errors and he'll have to be benched.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 12:46:22 GMT
So jack's errors at the end of last season, and now his first game this season is ensuring no top club - or mid league team for that matter out of the prem are looking at him. Is that good news? I don't think so as his value is drooping like a stone and any more simple errors and he'll have to be benched. As infuriating as it was and as basic an error as it Was, butland has raced back into the team off the back of barely any pre season and 1 friendly. He was probably very rusty and not 100% sharp. He put himself out there for selection and he deserves some credit for that at least. He'll bounce back for sure. Without wishing to make excuses for him, the keepers also had a problem with the pitch pre match and maybe this was on his mind also as he made the dive. It was a bad error undoubtedly but it can only be a good thing if he's still our keeper this season.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 8, 2018 14:44:38 GMT
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 8, 2018 14:59:35 GMT
Man U took the wrong keeper off us ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) (right for them tho obvs) - come on Jack, prove me wrong, I so don't want to believe you were 90% mouth
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2018 15:03:31 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2018 15:03:54 GMT
Que double your wages new contract for Butland. The only contract negotiation should be a pay cut in line with being a championship keeper That's already happened.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2018 15:06:03 GMT
The only contract negotiation should be a pay cut in line with being a championship keeper That's already happened. 90% of the squad had a 40% pay cut inserted into their contracts upon relegation
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 8, 2018 15:08:15 GMT
Wasn't Butland one of the players who spoke out against the transfer team after relegation? I bet the atmosphere at Clayton Wood is getting more awkward by the day as it dawns on some that nothing has changed
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 17:24:12 GMT
90% of the squad had a 40% pay cut inserted into their contracts upon relegation Which 10% didn't?
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2018 18:19:56 GMT
90% of the squad had a 40% pay cut inserted into their contracts upon relegation Which 10% didn't? Don’t know, I’d say the player that have been there longest as there wages were not at a level that Scholes would of thought it might need a contingency plan. Likes of Cameron is of guess but without knowing contracts it’s hard for anyone to say bar Scholes
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Post by neddy on Aug 8, 2018 18:24:45 GMT
Don’t know, I’d say the player that have been there longest as there wages were not at a level that Scholes would of thought it might need a contingency plan. Likes of Cameron is of guess but without knowing contracts it’s hard for anyone to say bar Scholes Amongst the group then the have’s and the have not’s I’m sure mustcreate friction? Not good?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 18:30:53 GMT
Don’t know, I’d say the player that have been there longest as there wages were not at a level that Scholes would of thought it might need a contingency plan. Likes of Cameron is of guess but without knowing contracts it’s hard for anyone to say bar Scholes If it is hard for anyone to say, how come you can say with seeming certainty that 90% of the players have this contract clause? Those players who arrived when we were more likely to be relegated are more likely the ones that would have it I would have thought. Those who arrived on the promise of bigger aspirations, you would think, didn't wouldn't you?
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2018 18:34:32 GMT
Don’t know, I’d say the player that have been there longest as there wages were not at a level that Scholes would of thought it might need a contingency plan. Likes of Cameron is of guess but without knowing contracts it’s hard for anyone to say bar Scholes If it is hard for anyone to say, how come you can say with seeming certainty that 90% of the players have this contract clause? Those players who arrived when we were more likely to be relegated are more likely the ones that would have it I would have thought. Those who arrived on the promise of bigger aspirations, you would think, didn't wouldn't you? The majority of the squad had the clause, 90% would be a close enough figure to represent that. Could be 80% or 95%
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 18:35:37 GMT
If it is hard for anyone to say, how come you can say with seeming certainty that 90% of the players have this contract clause? Those players who arrived when we were more likely to be relegated are more likely the ones that would have it I would have thought. Those who arrived on the promise of bigger aspirations, you would think, didn't wouldn't you? The majority of the squad had the clause, 90% would be a close enough figure to represent that. Could be 80% or 95% Or all of them had it?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 8, 2018 21:13:40 GMT
Just to confirm
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Post by duckling on Aug 9, 2018 2:30:23 GMT
It's bizarre that Chelsea paid £71.6 million for Kepa while selling Courtois for £35 million. How is Kepa, who isn't even the best Spanish goalkeeper, worth twice as much as the World Cup Golden Glove winner?
A 7 year contract is insane too.
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Post by Stokyo on Aug 9, 2018 2:46:30 GMT
90% of the squad had a 40% pay cut inserted into their contracts upon relegation Which 10% didn't? Cartwright and Scholes.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 9, 2018 5:31:14 GMT
The majority of the squad had the clause, 90% would be a close enough figure to represent that. Could be 80% or 95% Or all of them had it? It wasn’t a straight 40%, they were all tailored around any sign in, base salary, bonus and relegation reduction. Just as players resigning will have options around base and promotion bonus
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2018 5:57:45 GMT
It's bizarre that Chelsea paid £71.6 million for Kepa while selling Courtois for £35 million. How is Kepa, who isn't even the best Spanish goalkeeper, worth twice as much as the World Cup Golden Glove winner? A 7 year contract is insane too. Courtois down to last year of his contract so his value comes tumbling down.
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Post by skelman on Aug 9, 2018 6:38:55 GMT
I agree he's playing nowhere near as well as he was when he was number 2 to Hart. But you brought that up not me. He is going through a rough time which is why we need to get behind him and give him our support. If we'd sold him for £20m £30m or £40m do you think that would have been re-invested in players with our owners form? We'd never have replaced him like for like. And if as you say keepers can go down the pan rapidly who's to say Kieran Westwood wouldn't look like a rabbit in the headlights behind the colander that is our defence and midfield. Jack Butland is far from the problem in our club at the moment and I for one am extremely glad we've got him for the immediate future.This. Think our Golden Supreme apple is a little battered & bruised at the moment! 'Yellow with a pink blush, medium to large fruit, ideally conic but often somewhat oblate. White to light-cream colored flesh is firm, moderately crisp, and juicy to very juicy. The flavor is sweet to mildly sweet and pleasant with little or no detectable acid'. Jack will develop to become very juicy once again with us!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 9, 2018 6:48:34 GMT
Let’s not kid ourselves he wants to stay. He’s just ran out of viable options. Has the potential to be a great keeper if he cuts the silly mistakes out but right now I’d rather have the 30m and get in Ritchie and Pearson who’d make a bigger difference.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2018 8:04:58 GMT
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Post by duckling on Aug 9, 2018 12:52:20 GMT
It's bizarre that Chelsea paid £71.6 million for Kepa while selling Courtois for £35 million. How is Kepa, who isn't even the best Spanish goalkeeper, worth twice as much as the World Cup Golden Glove winner? A 7 year contract is insane too. Courtois down to last year of his contract so his value comes tumbling down. Thanks. Why does a player's value come tumbling down to such a huge degree in the last year of the contract? I get that they can leave for free at the end of the contract, but Real Madrid weren't going to wait a year in the hopes that he didn't sign another contract at Chelsea. I don't understand why Chelsea didn't hold out for more.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 9, 2018 13:14:11 GMT
Let’s not kid ourselves he wants to stay. He’s just ran out of viable options. Has the potential to be a great keeper if he cuts the silly mistakes out but right now I’d rather have the 30m and get in Ritchie and Pearson who’d make a bigger difference. I don't think anyone is, but it is pleasing that the club have clearly stuck a price on him that has kept any middling Prem clubs away from making a bid. I think we all realise that if a CL club came along with a sizeable offer he would be off. He can't be happy playing behind our back line, but probably realises that his own form is nothing to shout about and he needs to knuckle down and prove his worth for an attractive offer next window.
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 9, 2018 13:20:43 GMT
Courtois down to last year of his contract so his value comes tumbling down. Thanks. Why does a player's value come tumbling down to such a huge degree in the last year of the contract? I get that they can leave for free at the end of the contract, but Real Madrid weren't going to wait a year in the hopes that he didn't sign another contract at Chelsea. I don't understand why Chelsea didn't hold out for more. It would probably cost Chelsea another 30 mill to renegotiate his contract so in reality they have not lost out that much in relation to their new signing and the clubs income. It’s one of those abacus jobs where it problem balances out or is not a major loss somewhere when you balance the books
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