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Post by pez75 on Jun 4, 2018 9:28:26 GMT
True but given that Pieters rarely defended properly, if at all and Hughes kamikaze tactics he’s on to a loser. He was also pretty dismayed at the lack of caring after getting thrashed and couldn’t understand why players were laughing and joking after matches. Funny how he had so much and ended up producing so little, personally I blame the club and if he goes to Huddersfield it’ll be the same there for him. Which is utter bollocks as Pieters is defensively sound..... Don't want to go off on a tangent as this thread is about Sobhi but I am afraid your comment is more utter bollocks than the previous one.
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Post by potterspele on Jun 4, 2018 9:51:42 GMT
Personally I think it's probably for the best if moves on. You can point the finger at both sides - form, confidence, coaching, playing time etc but it's just not worked out for us or him and if anything he looks like he's regressed.
If we can get a bit of money, maybe a profit, to put towards our transfer funds that's better for both parties if he's agitating for a move.
We've also got Verlinden, a player who has been with us longer that the coaching staff know better who will need playing time this season. I can't see room for 2 young wingers if we're serious about making a promotion push so perhaps it's time to look at him as a replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 10:04:40 GMT
Which is utter bollocks as Pieters is defensively sound..... Don't want to go off on a tangent as this thread is about Sobhi but I am afraid your comment is more utter bollocks than the previous one. You have no rational arguments when it comes to Pieters. I think he broke into your house on Christmas morning and pissed on your Xmas presents. It makes your opinion of him totally irrelevant. Whatever your view on Pieters to say he’s not solid defensively is nonsense. And to blame Sobhi’s lack of development on him would be laughable....
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2018 10:28:17 GMT
I honestly believe Sobi went backwards under Hughes, in his first few appearances he was getting forward taking a player on and looked very good going forward. Hughes would constantly lambast him from the touchline and then he was dropped, when he came back he looked a different player altogether.
Only my opinion mind.
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Post by pez75 on Jun 4, 2018 11:02:24 GMT
Don't want to go off on a tangent as this thread is about Sobhi but I am afraid your comment is more utter bollocks than the previous one. You have no rational arguments when it comes to Pieters. I think he broke into your house on Christmas morning and pissed on your Xmas presents. It makes your opinion of him totally irrelevant. Whatever your view on Pieters to say he’s not solid defensively is nonsense. And to blame Sobhi’s lack of development on him would be laughable.... Nor do you. After he broke into my house he came round yours and gave you a reach-around to compliment the tender bum sex. Every argument I make re: Pieters is rational, you just do not like it and therefore because my opinion differs to yours it is irrelevant. That logic is about as sound as Pieter's flawless defending. He is an average player who tries his best but has often fell short. As for blaming him for Sobhi's inefficiencies, I agree that is wrong. In fact in this debate about whether Sobhi was shackled by defensive duties he actually had the perfect partner in Erik as he would always be behind him because he is shit at going forward.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jun 4, 2018 15:09:51 GMT
Flair cant be coached out of a player. Hes never had it. To be fair he only ever played on the left wing 'cutting in' while he was here. It would've been interesting to see him as a winger on the proper side, which is presumably how he developed as a footballer. Coaching is a funny thing. Whoever thought Marcus Alonso and Victor Moses would make the grade at Chelsea? It's all about getting the right player in the right role in the right tactic. Salah was dumped twice before turning into Messi at Liverpool. Pogba was the next Zidane before rocking up at Man Utd. He played on the right a couple of times as sub, made no difference, don't know much about Alonso, but Moses was already established before Chelsea. They just gave him a role that suited him better. Coaching has nothing to do with the other two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 15:33:19 GMT
You have no rational arguments when it comes to Pieters. I think he broke into your house on Christmas morning and pissed on your Xmas presents. It makes your opinion of him totally irrelevant. Whatever your view on Pieters to say he’s not solid defensively is nonsense. And to blame Sobhi’s lack of development on him would be laughable.... Nor do you. After he broke into my house he came round yours and gave you a reach-around to compliment the tender bum sex. Every argument I make re: Pieters is rational, you just do not like it and therefore because my opinion differs to yours it is irrelevant. That logic is about as sound as Pieter's flawless defending. He is an average player who tries his best but has often fell short. As for blaming him for Sobhi's inefficiencies, I agree that is wrong. In fact in this debate about whether Sobhi was shackled by defensive duties he actually had the perfect partner in Erik as he would always be behind him because he is shit at going forward. Pieters was terrible at wing back but then he’s not a wing back. His crossing is awful at times but defensively in a back four not many attackers get the better of him (Salah recently for example). I’m perfectly aware of his limitations but he is a very reliable left back. I’m also happy to acknowledge he was our best player from coming back into the team until season end are you?
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Post by questionable on Jun 4, 2018 17:07:38 GMT
True but given that Pieters rarely defended properly, if at all and Hughes kamikaze tactics he’s on to a loser. He was also pretty dismayed at the lack of caring after getting thrashed and couldn’t understand why players were laughing and joking after matches. Funny how he had so much and ended up producing so little, personally I blame the club and if he goes to Huddersfield it’ll be the same there for him. Which is utter bollocks as Pieters is defensively sound..... Defensively sound really?? He’s been robbing a living masquerading as a footballer and was earmarked as being replaced with Staffy, people have short memories he’s been absolutely garbage for some time and is one of the reasons we are where we are
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:16:46 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true.
I'd be wanting £8m minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:31:47 GMT
Which is utter bollocks as Pieters is defensively sound..... Defensively sound really?? He’s been robbing a living masquerading as a footballer and was earmarked as being replaced with Staffy, people have short memories he’s been absolutely garbage for some time and is one of the reasons we are where we are Yes defensively sound. One on one a winger rarely gets the better of him over the course of a game. When you look at the goals conceded in the last 18 months under Hughes you have to look beyond just the back four and the woeful cover that was on offer in front of them. It’s not that hard to comprehend....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:32:14 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. You might be wanting it but on what basis?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 4, 2018 17:37:43 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. Why? He’s shit.
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 4, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. Why , ? He's absolutely hopeless
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Post by PolPotter on Jun 4, 2018 17:50:14 GMT
The last time I saw him live was against Arsenal away and I was absolutely stunned by how poor he was. He wasn't on his own though.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jun 4, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. 8 quid would be a good deal. The guy is hopeless.
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Post by nonameface on Jun 4, 2018 17:54:26 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. £5m seems fair, the key is getting hiS wages gone and getting as big a sell on fee as possible because he could become a good player if his decision making and striking the ball improves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2018 17:55:22 GMT
PL experience Young player International player Wanted by a PL club
I'd want 10m plus a sell on.
Anything less is poor.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 4, 2018 17:59:52 GMT
Can’t believe how many of our fans are happy with £5m for Sobhi. Yes he’s shit but he’s still a young international winger with Premier Leage experience.
Every other club seems to charge extortionate amounts for average players yet we give ours away for peanuts. Just look how we got fleeced for Wimmer, Spurs more that quadrupled there money on him despite him only playing a handful of games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2018 18:01:54 GMT
Can’t believe how many of our fans are happy with £5m for Sobhi. Yes he’s shit but he’s still a young international winger with Premier Leage experience. Every other club seems to charge extortionate amounts for average players yet we give ours away for peanuts. Just look how we got fleeced for Wimmer, Spurs more that quadrupled there money on him despite him only playing a handful of games. It's the little old Stoke bollocks. Happy with absolutely any old shit.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 4, 2018 18:02:47 GMT
Can’t believe how many of our fans are happy with £5m for Sobhi. Yes he’s shit but he’s still a young international winger with Premier Leage experience. Every other club seems to charge extortionate amounts for average players yet we give ours away for peanuts. Just look how we got fleeced for Wimmer, Spurs more that quadrupled there money on him despite him only playing a handful of games. See palacios to
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 4, 2018 18:03:06 GMT
5m would be a disgrace.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 4, 2018 18:06:51 GMT
Stoke has to pay 15% of his price to Al Ahly as long as i remember.
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Post by lordb on Jun 4, 2018 18:07:08 GMT
PL experience Young player International player Wanted by a PL club I'd want 10m plus a sell on. Anything less is poor. Under contract too. £10m + sell on That's about right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2018 18:11:47 GMT
PL experience Young player International player Wanted by a PL club I'd want 10m plus a sell on. Anything less is poor. Under contract too. £10m + sell on That's about right. Glad it's not just me. I can see why people think he's crap, I disagree but they have valid points. But I don't get why they can't see the reasons he's worth more than 5m.
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Post by elgreco on Jun 4, 2018 18:12:38 GMT
A man with 3 inch legs could run faster, his final ball isn’t even of a north staffs coors league standard and he has the strength of a badly set blancmange. It is right that he should be one of the first booted out. Was really excited for this lad but he got worse and worse and worse, bad coaching? Maybe, but blame also lies with the individual. He ended his stoke career as a shockingly bad winger!
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 4, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
If the Board believe a 4m young talent who didn't develop substantially as a regular PL player is then worth 18m (Wimmer), so is Sobhi - particularly as attackers get a premium. And a young player who looked promising in the average Portugese league (Imbula) was worth 18m, with no other proof that he would mature but this display of promise, surely Sobhi is too
Not my valuation... but can't see how the Board can not expect us to consider them anything but ineptitude personified if Sobhi leaves for under 10.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 4, 2018 18:25:04 GMT
As fees we pay are the judgement of the manager is the same true for players we sell? Process!
Any deal without a sell on clause is madness!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 18:28:31 GMT
Take the 5M and run.
Look at it another way. We took a punt and haven't lost much. It could have been much worse.
Thank him and wish him and Huddersfield all the best.
If Wagner can get him to kick a ball properly as a starting point then he's earned his corn.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 4, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
If we were linked to a winger who can't run, can't cross and can't shoot for north of 8 mill the same names will still be slagging stoke off.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 4, 2018 18:44:50 GMT
Percy reckons it's a deal worth around £5m (Afobe/McClean article). Sack the fucking board if that's true. I'd be wanting £8m minimum. 8 quid would be a good deal. The guy is hopeless. If I paid 6 quid for him, I’d be waiting for somebody to hand me some fucking change.
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