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Post by nutterpotter on Jun 2, 2018 19:10:54 GMT
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Post by riproaringagain on Jun 2, 2018 19:22:10 GMT
Sobhi choosing Huddersfield for Stoke what a pisser he’s ambitious What's wrong with choosing Huddersfield over Stoke? Premier league only and very short sighted, don’t get me wrong I couldn’t give two hoots about Sobhi, I never got the hype on here even when Arnie was here and some said he was better and in front of him.not enough mental strength for the premier league for one missing most games
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jun 2, 2018 19:24:35 GMT
So would you be if you’d robbed a living for the last 12 months like this git. He’s been utter garbage, and we’re certainly better off without him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:33:07 GMT
As with Brek Shay, Shobi was just a mule to sell the “Stoke City” brand into a potentially huge foreign market place, but I do hope he goes on to fulfill his potential
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jun 2, 2018 19:37:55 GMT
As with Brek Shay, Shobi was just a mule to sell the “Stoke City” brand into a potentially huge foreign market place, but I do hope he goes on to fulfill his potential He's already fulfilled it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:44:19 GMT
I’d look happy if I was him. Absolutely wank at football and possibly sealed himself another few quid. The lads hit the jackpot alright.
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Post by bhp on Jun 2, 2018 19:49:48 GMT
Ok, if he can't now fuck it he will never be able to then. If he was 28 fair enough but hes 21. Potential has a value. Bang average championship players are 10 - 15m now who have no resale value. But someone who's played in the Premier League and is an international football and is young isn't.. If we get 8 for him and spend 6 of it on Mcclean someone somewhere needs to look at themselves and their decision they have made. Potential does have value but not 10 million, if he was one of our better players last season and had shown improvement I probably wouldn't be disagreeing with you, but he hadn't improved, it looked like he got worse tbh (that could have been down to how he was being asked to play though), he hasn't even proved he's an average champ player yet and because of that I don't see him worth 15mil, can't say I've seen any go for that much yet mind, being an international player means absolutely nothing to me, its not like he's a regular in the Brazil side is it. I'm not reading much into McClean, its just a rumour, but surely that would go against your argument that bang average champ players go for 12-15mil if he was to move for around 6mil. We're in 2018, we're talking about the Premiership where £1.4 billion was spent in last Summers window alone. If it was my money is wouldn't spend £15m on Sobhi based on last season's performances. But what is £10-£15m nowadays? Peanuts. It's approximately 10% of the money you'd receive for 1 season in the league. We've got to start selling players based on today's market. Kitson was £5m in 2008 ffs. Since then the revenue in the league has increased significantly. You're right with regards to his ability, his 'real value', but we should be selling players at market value. Ok so when I said average championship players going for double figure fees it wasn't a rule, a fact, 100% of championship players go for £10m I didn't say that. It isn't rare now for a player of such ability to go for double figure fees but a few season ago it was. McClean for approximately £6m isn't that bad, he's not a terrible player. I just feel that money can be spent wiser than on a 29 year old.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2018 20:47:34 GMT
The goalposts being shifted re Ramadan is hilarious.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jun 2, 2018 21:14:03 GMT
Why as soon as it becomes obvious a player is leaving does everybody come out with the "we are better off without him" bollocks? 12 months ago Ramadan was the best thing since sliced bread, and Arnautovic leaving was good news, now Ramadan leaving is great news as well.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 2, 2018 21:16:46 GMT
Why as soon as it becomes obvious a player is leaving does everybody come out with the "we are better off without him" bollocks? 12 months ago Ramadan was the best thing since sliced bread, and Arnautovic leaving was good news, now Ramadan leaving is great news as well. Jilted lover syndrome!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 21:16:54 GMT
Perhaps the issue is he never played with his specs on!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2018 21:20:10 GMT
Players like jack and shaq (depending on opinion) can’t drop to the championship. Here we have a young guy who has proved the square root of fuck all. Has potentially a long career ahead of him. A season in the championship would do the lad no harm and would probably be better for his development than a likely relegation battle. No disrespect to Huddersfield His agent is chasing short term gain for what? If Huddersfield get relegated he isn’t likely to get a big move next summer. IMO at the moment there is no end product. He would have more game time from an attacking point of view at stoke next seadon Not if Rowett doesn't fancy him it wont. Maybe we're actually quite happy to see the back of him.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 2, 2018 21:31:59 GMT
I hope so, decent poster and one of us now! Another vote cast for Dr Hesham to remain. I’ve really enjoyed your input Doc, once a Potter always a Potter Thank you all, I am happy to be here, just sad Ramadan left. I am not sure if this is a good move for him, he will play for a defensive team again, while he was going to play attacking football with Stoke in championship but I am sure he is better than all people here think. BTW Ramadan stayed at Stoke for 2 years, I have never seen any marketing campaigns for Stoke in Egypt, although from the first day Salah moved to Liverpool many companies here sponsored Liverpool, paid millions and you can see Liverpool banners everywhere in Egypt before Salah shines. For udders they will not lose anything, worst case scenario they will sell him back to Egypt or Saudi for same amount of money they have paid, and on the other hand they may fix his psychological problems, give him confidence and turn him into a star to sell him later for good price.
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Post by vahl on Jun 2, 2018 21:34:43 GMT
Another vote cast for Dr Hesham to remain. I’ve really enjoyed your input Doc, once a Potter always a Potter Thank you all, I am happy to be here, just sad Ramadan left. I am not sure if this is a good move for him, he will play for a defensive team again, while he was going to play attacking football with Stoke in championship but I am sure he is better than all people here think. BTW Ramadan stayed at Stoke for 2 years, I have never seen any marketing campaigns for Stoke in Egypt, although from the first day Salah moved to Liverpool many companies here sponsored Liverpool, paid millions and you can see Liverpool banners everywhere in Egypt before Salah shines. For udders they will not lose anything, worst case scenario they will sell him back to Egypt or Saudi for same amount of money they have paid, and on the other hand they may fix his psychological problems, give him confidence and turn him into a star to sell him later for good price. I've posted here before about how we didn't utilise Sobhi's 'fame' more for our own. He has more social media followers alone than Stoke City FC! Huddersfield will have a big eye on that, I'd say - it's ££££££ for them.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 2, 2018 21:40:20 GMT
I wonder in making these deals if the transfer team are being strategic in their thinking...
We have at least 10 places to fill for our first team squad. For a start, its at least 1.2 players a week until D-day. Realistically only 4-5 of these players will be the "bigger impact" 6m+ players - hopefully the likes of Gayle, Vydra, etc. But we must also realise that we are going to have to get 4-5 who are probably "competent" and "solid", either freebies, loans, or lower cost.
So, when we sell Sobhi to Huddersfield (or Butland or N'Diaye to Wolves or WHU, etc)... shouldn't we taking a look around the squads of these teams and finding competent players, either as loans or as part of the deal? Bet it would be cheaper and easier, allowing us to focus our key resources on the players that will make the appeciable difference.
Alas, Huddersfield's squad are unusually shit. But if 4 clubs are supposedly interested in Sobhi, then shouldn't be drumming up offers (of cash and players?) from the other 3?. Most of the other clubs in the PL would have players that would be useful to us who are on the periphery?
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 2, 2018 21:43:24 GMT
Thank you all, I am happy to be here, just sad Ramadan left. I am not sure if this is a good move for him, he will play for a defensive team again, while he was going to play attacking football with Stoke in championship but I am sure he is better than all people here think. BTW Ramadan stayed at Stoke for 2 years, I have never seen any marketing campaigns for Stoke in Egypt, although from the first day Salah moved to Liverpool many companies here sponsored Liverpool, paid millions and you can see Liverpool banners everywhere in Egypt before Salah shines. For udders they will not lose anything, worst case scenario they will sell him back to Egypt or Saudi for same amount of money they have paid, and on the other hand they may fix his psychological problems, give him confidence and turn him into a star to sell him later for good price. I've posted here before about how we didn't utilise Sobhi's 'fame' more for our own. He has more social media followers alone than Stoke City FC! Huddersfield will have a big eye on that, I'd say - it's ££££££ for them. Most probably Klopp advised his friend about how much money they can make from him apart from his potential. Any way Ramadan was a big star 2 years ago, making ads every few days for millions but now he is always under attack from the fans because he has completely lost his form, he stopped all of his ads here, if they can help him to return to the same form before Stoke so they will make millions from him, we are +100 million market, all big international companies are working here, all Arab are watching our TV channels ... etc.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2018 21:49:36 GMT
The goalposts being shifted re Ramadan is hilarious. I know what you mean, I was just reading this thread, thinking I bet this thread is being linked to the Huddersfield message board and they're all saying "what a bunch of bitter wankers they are!" Having said all that, I'm happy to see him gone, I would have had no confidence in him whatsoever to be a part of a promotion push, I just hope his replacement isn't the likes of James McClean!
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 2, 2018 21:54:35 GMT
Sobhi choosing Huddersfield for Stoke what a pisser he’s ambitious What's wrong with choosing Huddersfield over Stoke? Suspect he knows he now needs (1) a good coach/manager with proven ability at polishing talent and (b) a chance to play v. regularly, (c) a supportive environment and good club culture. I'd be more critical if he went to sit on Liverpool's bench, or allowed himself to be bought purely as a mascot for a club to find a way into the Egyptian market.
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Post by werrington on Jun 2, 2018 21:56:00 GMT
Good luck Huddersfield
By god you’ll need it it if Ramadan is going to be a pivotal part of another survival campaign
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 2, 2018 22:03:27 GMT
I thought it was madness when Hughes dropped him 18 moths ago but last season he was utterly fucking shit.
If he wasn't in our squad next season it would honestly take me until October to notice.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 2, 2018 22:05:59 GMT
Good luck Huddersfield By god you’ll need it it if Ramadan is going to be a pivotal part of another survival campaign I think'll they'll be going down and Ramadans agent will be whoring him around again next year
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Post by philb on Jun 2, 2018 22:07:24 GMT
Thank you all, I am happy to be here, just sad Ramadan left. I am not sure if this is a good move for him, he will play for a defensive team again, while he was going to play attacking football with Stoke in championship but I am sure he is better than all people here think. BTW Ramadan stayed at Stoke for 2 years, I have never seen any marketing campaigns for Stoke in Egypt, although from the first day Salah moved to Liverpool many companies here sponsored Liverpool, paid millions and you can see Liverpool banners everywhere in Egypt before Salah shines. For udders they will not lose anything, worst case scenario they will sell him back to Egypt or Saudi for same amount of money they have paid, and on the other hand they may fix his psychological problems, give him confidence and turn him into a star to sell him later for good price. I've posted here before about how we didn't utilise Sobhi's 'fame' more for our own. He has more social media followers alone than Stoke City FC! Huddersfield will have a big eye on that, I'd say - it's ££££££ for them. Yes he may improve the clubs social media standing, but surely the main reason for a smallish club like Huddersfield signing any player is to improve their team on the field. I’m pretty sure he won’t make any difference to that side of the equation!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2018 22:28:12 GMT
Why as soon as it becomes obvious a player is leaving does everybody come out with the "we are better off without him" bollocks? 12 months ago Ramadan was the best thing since sliced bread, and Arnautovic leaving was good news, now Ramadan leaving is great news as well. I told you he was the Egyptian Brek Shea within 5 games no re- writing here , I hear he is actuallly a decent lad buf he’s not a premier league footballer who is going to make an impact at that’s level just nit athletic enough or any vision of a cross or pass
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 2, 2018 22:34:25 GMT
Reminds me a lot of Assaidi. Hope it works out for him but I have my doubts
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jun 3, 2018 0:42:42 GMT
Fuck me. I'm happy for players who've shown their worth to move on. Shaqiri, Butland, BMI. But this fucking worthless cunt? What the fuck has he done in the last two years? Haven't even seen him so his shitty little 'stand on the ball and do a 360' bollocks. Furthermore, fucking Huddersfield??? Huddersfield? I like Huddersfield, but how his agent was sounding out a big move and he's going to fucking Huddersfield? I wish the cunt the worst possible luck (except for Dr Hersham, what a great gentleman and I'm sorry if anything I've said offends you, I've got my stoke spectacles on)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 0:59:19 GMT
Why as soon as it becomes obvious a player is leaving does everybody come out with the "we are better off without him" bollocks? 12 months ago Ramadan was the best thing since sliced bread, and Arnautovic leaving was good news, now Ramadan leaving is great news as well. I told you he was the Egyptian Brek Shea within 5 games no re- writing here , I hear he is actuallly a decent lad buf he’s not a premier league footballer who is going to make an impact at that’s level just nit athletic enough or any vision of a cross or pass Plageruisim Benjaminiscuit, that’s my line from about five boxes up !
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 3, 2018 1:53:17 GMT
Why as soon as it becomes obvious a player is leaving does everybody come out with the "we are better off without him" bollocks? 12 months ago Ramadan was the best thing since sliced bread, and Arnautovic leaving was good news, now Ramadan leaving is great news as well. He's absolutely shit. There's no bollocks about it, he's been shit since the day he got here. Sure, he had a couple of 10 minutes spells in one or two games (usually against wank opposition) where one of his tricks came off, but that aside he's been complete and utter garbage. He's got zero pace, zero end product and if we can get a few quid out of Huddersfield for him, it's probably a few quid more than he's ever going to be worth.
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Post by ravey123 on Jun 3, 2018 8:05:12 GMT
Thank you all, I am happy to be here, just sad Ramadan left. I am not sure if this is a good move for him, he will play for a defensive team again, while he was going to play attacking football with Stoke in championship but I am sure he is better than all people here think. BTW Ramadan stayed at Stoke for 2 years, I have never seen any marketing campaigns for Stoke in Egypt, although from the first day Salah moved to Liverpool many companies here sponsored Liverpool, paid millions and you can see Liverpool banners everywhere in Egypt before Salah shines. For udders they will not lose anything, worst case scenario they will sell him back to Egypt or Saudi for same amount of money they have paid, and on the other hand they may fix his psychological problems, give him confidence and turn him into a star to sell him later for good price. I've posted here before about how we didn't utilise Sobhi's 'fame' more for our own. He has more social media followers alone than Stoke City FC! Huddersfield will have a big eye on that, I'd say - it's ££££££ for them. That commercial opportunity part of Sobhi is the thing that really gets my goat. Also why he is worth more than you think - what a surprise our superb Marketing Department cannot make anything commercially from one of the poster boys in one of the largest countries in the world - if they worked for. Normal business they would have been sacked years ago - absolute disgrace
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 3, 2018 8:14:20 GMT
The goalposts being shifted re Ramadan is hilarious. I know what you mean, I was just reading this thread, thinking I bet this thread is being linked to the Huddersfield message board and they're all saying "what a bunch of bitter wankers they are!" Having said all that, I'm happy to see him gone, I would have had no confidence in him whatsoever to be a part of a promotion push, I just hope his replacement isn't the likes of James McClean! It will be.
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Post by stokemark on Jun 3, 2018 8:16:42 GMT
I've posted here before about how we didn't utilise Sobhi's 'fame' more for our own. He has more social media followers alone than Stoke City FC! Huddersfield will have a big eye on that, I'd say - it's ££££££ for them. That commercial opportunity part of Sobhi is the thing that really gets my goat. Also why he is worth more than you think - what a surprise our superb Marketing Department cannot make anything commercially from one of the poster boys in one of the largest countries in the world - if they worked for. Normal business they would have been sacked years ago - absolute disgrace Too busy trying to wrap up a deal to put an advert in the window of Moby Dicks fish and chips Hanford
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