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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 2, 2018 15:37:23 GMT
I have always been a fan of Robert Huth and his partnership with Ryan Shawcross was great. I would definitely welcome Huth back bcause he would be good defensive cover. I also liked Whelan and Walters all 3 of them always gave 100% I dont think any of them should have left really
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Post by pavel on May 2, 2018 15:48:10 GMT
God no don't scare me anymore. Just reading some of these things has made me have to change my underwear 4 times today. Even Waddo would balk at a team of that age! ... and the game is a tad faster now! Let’s look forward for a change rather than defaulting to the past, be nice if the club did it as well!
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Post by AlliG on May 2, 2018 16:17:45 GMT
Even Waddo would balk at a team of that age! I can't relate having never seen that team. The consensus seems to be that he loved an ageing player though. He did, but he also used to throw in a fair number of youngsters to balance the team. A number of the "geriatrics" he brought were younger than the players we have now. Peter Dobing was 24, George Eastham was 29 (nearly 30), Gordon Banks was 29, Dennis Viollet was 28, Eddie Clamp was 28, Roy Vernon was 28. Even at the end of his reign when he was scrapping the barrel "Hallelujah" John Tudor was only 30 when he signed! Marsh, Smith, Bloor, Bernard, Mahoney, Conroy etc would have been late teens early 20s when they established themselves in the team.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 2, 2018 16:23:27 GMT
I can't relate having never seen that team. The consensus seems to be that he loved an ageing player though. He did, but he also used to throw in a fair number of youngsters to balance the team. A number of the "geriatrics" he brought were younger than the players we have now. Peter Dobing was 24, George Eastham was 29 (nearly 30), Gordon Banks was 29, Dennis Viollet was 28, Eddie Clamp was 28, Roy Vernon was 28. Even at the end of his reign when he was scrapping the barrel "Hallelujah" John Tudor was only 30 when he signed! Marsh, Smith, Bloor, Bernard, Mahoney, Conroy etc would have been late teens early 20s when they established themselves in the team. Peter Dobing 24??? He always put me in mind of an old guy somewhere around 50/60, smoking his pipe!!!
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Post by AlliG on May 2, 2018 16:30:49 GMT
He did, but he also used to throw in a fair number of youngsters to balance the team. A number of the "geriatrics" he brought were younger than the players we have now. Peter Dobing was 24, George Eastham was 29 (nearly 30), Gordon Banks was 29, Dennis Viollet was 28, Eddie Clamp was 28, Roy Vernon was 28. Even at the end of his reign when he was scrapping the barrel "Hallelujah" John Tudor was only 30 when he signed! Marsh, Smith, Bloor, Bernard, Mahoney, Conroy etc would have been late teens early 20s when they established themselves in the team. Peter Dobing 24??? He always put me in mind of an old guy somewhere around 50/60, smoking his pipe!!! I know. He was a Stoke player for 10 years and if you are younger than 65/70, I suspect the "older" Dobing is a stronger memory than the younger. As a scout in Longton we used to have endless arguments with our Scout Leader about the merits of Dobing. He remembered the young goalscoring inside forward Dobing worth 15-20 goals a season whereas we were more familiar with the older Dobing who some games would stroll around as though he still had his pipe with him or would have much preferred to have been fishing.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 2, 2018 17:22:46 GMT
Huth would spend more time on the bench then on the pitch - either injured, suspended or simply deemed past it.
The Championship isn't a slow league - the fitness levels and athleticism are on a par with the Premiership. The difference is technical ability. If (and by that I mean when) Huth gets found out for pace we all know what will happen. He'll be a walking (and that I mean walking) red card.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 2, 2018 17:33:24 GMT
Peter Dobing 24??? He always put me in mind of an old guy somewhere around 50/60, smoking his pipe!!! I know. He was a Stoke player for 10 years and if you are younger than 65/70, I suspect the "older" Dobing is a stronger memory than the younger. As a scout in Longton we used to have endless arguments with our Scout Leader about the merits of Dobing. He remembered the young goalscoring inside forward Dobing worth 15-20 goals a season whereas we were more familiar with the older Dobing who some games would stroll around as though he still had his pipe with him or would have much preferred to have been fishing. Yeah, the later one is the one I knew too...but I don't remember to much as I was only a nipper back then!!! Just remember thinking he looked to old to be playing footy....bit like Howard Kendall!!!
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Post by Lightwood on May 2, 2018 17:53:51 GMT
Huth being at the club, in the dressing room, on the pitch (when fit) would be bloody brilliant for us and an absolute no brainer. Can't believe some of the negativity on this one.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 2, 2018 18:18:08 GMT
Huth being at the club, in the dressing room, on the pitch (when fit) would be bloody brilliant for us and an absolute no brainer. Can't believe some of the negativity on this one. This is not the place to post such lateral thinking. Behave yourself
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2018 19:50:22 GMT
Huth being at the club, in the dressing room, on the pitch (when fit) would be bloody brilliant for us and an absolute no brainer. Can't believe some of the negativity on this one. This is not the place to post such lateral thinking. Behave yourself But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on May 2, 2018 20:44:42 GMT
This is not the place to post such lateral thinking. Behave yourself But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Grant is not old for a keeper. buffon is in his forties Shawcross is not old. Fletcher won't get near the starting 11 crouch is a good old pro agreed. we have plenty of space for Huth and Walters and maybe even Whelan and whitehead if we can convince villa and Huddersfield to let them come home
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2018 20:57:03 GMT
But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Grant is not old for a keeper. buffon is in his forties Shawcross is not old. Fletcher won't get near the starting 11 crouch is a good old pro agreed. we have plenty of space for Huth and Walters and maybe even Whelan and whitehead if we can convince villa and Huddersfield to let them come home Over 30 is old in football terms nowadays. And you want that lot too? 😂😂😂 Just no.
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Post by ursemboys on May 2, 2018 21:06:49 GMT
But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Grant is not old for a keeper. buffon is in his forties Shawcross is not old. Fletcher won't get near the starting 11 crouch is a good old pro agreed. we have plenty of space for Huth and Walters and maybe even Whelan and whitehead if we can convince villa and Huddersfield to let them come home Whitehead lol ,Is there a white van outside your house with a couple guys in overalls watching only I supect they will be taking you away very soon with comments like that ,you really seem very confused about what year it is
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Post by lordb on May 2, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
This is not the place to post such lateral thinking. Behave yourself But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Would expect Crouch to get offers. Fletcher, good leader that he appears,is definitely finished. If Huth's 'gone' in the same way Fletcher has then we shouldn't sign him. Not seen anything to suggest that's the case.
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Post by adamsson on May 2, 2018 21:27:34 GMT
Was a good player.
Is too old.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2018 21:32:03 GMT
But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Would expect Crouch to get offers. Fletcher, good leader that he appears,is definitely finished. If Huth's 'gone' in the same way Fletcher has then we shouldn't sign him. Not seen anything to suggest that's the case. No because he hasn't played for a season!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 2, 2018 21:34:38 GMT
But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Would expect Crouch to get offers. Fletcher, good leader that he appears,is definitely finished. If Huth's 'gone' in the same way Fletcher has then we shouldn't sign him. Not seen anything to suggest that's the case. Have you seen anything to suggest either way? He hasn't played all season.
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Post by numpty40 on May 2, 2018 21:43:25 GMT
But we have plenty old heads you'd want in the dressing room. Grant Shawcross Fletcher Crouch We don't overly need any more just for that reason. We need someone who's fit enough to be good back up. Recent history suggests he isn't. Grant is not old for a keeper. buffon is in his forties Shawcross is not old. Fletcher won't get near the starting 11 crouch is a good old pro agreed. we have plenty of space for Huth and Walters and maybe even Whelan and whitehead if we can convince villa and Huddersfield to let them come home There we go, you got another reply
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Post by thehoof on May 2, 2018 21:51:27 GMT
All of these “old” heroes would try, absolutely no doubt. However they ( with the possible exception of Huth who might manage a season as a defender) would be 5 yards slower than when we let them go and would just hasten us to another relegation. I want to see some passion yes, but also some pace, not a re run of Jones, Wilson, Godfrey and Mainwring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2018 22:12:04 GMT
All of these “old” heroes would try, absolutely no doubt. However they ( with the possible exception of Huth who might manage a season as a defender) would be 5 yards slower than when we let them go and would just hasten us to another relegation. I want to see some passion yes, but also some pace, not a re run of Jones, Wilson, Godfrey and Mainwring. I know KJ and Marc but I'm struggling with the other two.....
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 2, 2018 22:19:35 GMT
Are we all getting a bit high on nostalgia?
Huth has barely played for the best part of 2 years and he’s in his mid 30’s, ideally we want to come straight back up, not fawn over the Berlin Wall.
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Post by stokeykez on May 3, 2018 6:07:06 GMT
On a free I am told. Would be a good signing if we are down or not. Get Walters back as well, let’s get the band back together. Give it a real go to come back up. Would take him back in a heartbeat cilla. Even if he didn't have the fitness to play week in week out he would ground a few of the fairies who think its ok to do fuck all for a living. I'd love to see him get hold of berahino round the throat like he did that little scrote hunt. My god we need leaders in the dressing room now.
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Post by lordb on May 3, 2018 6:18:11 GMT
Would expect Crouch to get offers. Fletcher, good leader that he appears,is definitely finished. If Huth's 'gone' in the same way Fletcher has then we shouldn't sign him. Not seen anything to suggest that's the case. No because he hasn't played for a season! Should be fresh then. Fact is,unlike Fletcher,we don't know if Huth is still in good shape or not. If he is then good signing for any Championship club. If not then then it's a fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 6:23:23 GMT
Exactly the type of signing we need to steer well clear of.
If Ryan stays, we need a young partner for him to take over from him in a few years, not an over the hill has been who will come on big money.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on May 3, 2018 6:48:49 GMT
Grant is not old for a keeper. buffon is in his forties Shawcross is not old. Fletcher won't get near the starting 11 crouch is a good old pro agreed. we have plenty of space for Huth and Walters and maybe even Whelan and whitehead if we can convince villa and Huddersfield to let them come home Over 30 is old in football terms nowadays. And you want that lot too? 😂😂😂 Just no. If we'd had then around the squad this season we wouldn't be where we are now. They don't need to be playing week in week out. who would you rather as your experienced pro. Whelan A guy who would run through walls as played for the club for 12 years and knows what it means for stoke to be in the prem or Darren Fletcher? who would be better Huth or Wimmer,? Walters or Jese? Admittedly I think Whitehead is too old now but Huddersfield even said they want him in the squad as a good egg whon knows what it takes to stay up. Stokes squad is full of the kind of shite that a hell of a lot of the oatcake collectif cream there pants over. Zouma Berahinho Jese Fletcher Imbula all had guys on here saying how great it was we were moving on from pulis old guard. look where that has got you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2018 7:20:43 GMT
No because he hasn't played for a season! Should be fresh then. Fact is,unlike Fletcher,we don't know if Huth is still in good shape or not. If he is then good signing for any Championship club. If not then then it's a fuck up. He hasn't played for a season. That suggests he isn't in good shape and that's the evidence we have.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2018 7:21:54 GMT
Over 30 is old in football terms nowadays. And you want that lot too? 😂😂😂 Just no. If we'd had then around the squad this season we wouldn't be where we are now. They don't need to be playing week in week out. who would you rather as your experienced pro. Whelan A guy who would run through walls as played for the club for 12 years and knows what it means for stoke to be in the prem or Darren Fletcher? who would be better Huth or Wimmer,? Walters or Jese? Admittedly I think Whitehead is too old now but Huddersfield even said they want him in the squad as a good egg whon knows what it takes to stay up. Stokes squad is full of the kind of shite that a hell of a lot of the oatcake collectif cream there pants over. Zouma Berahinho Jese Fletcher Imbula all had guys on here saying how great it was we were moving on from pulis old guard. look where that has got you. Neither. Both are old and wank.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on May 3, 2018 8:34:55 GMT
If we got rid of them because we thought they weren't good enough for us before, we shouldn't bring them back.
There's a big wide world out there full of many players (and many managers) that we could sign.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 3, 2018 9:14:57 GMT
If we're seriously contemplating bringing Huth back that must mean we believe we are likely to lose either BMI or Ryan (or both). Can't see us bringing in Huth on a relatively high salary (even if he takes a big cut) to be back up to them two when we have the two young lads who are both much cheaper and more willing to sit on the bench.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 3, 2018 9:17:39 GMT
All depends on the salary in my eyes.
I think a few on here are overlooking some of the quality in the Championship by saying he'd be fine in the Championship etc - there are some really pacey strikers in the Championship who could really give him the runaround.
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