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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2018 18:55:47 GMT
Keeping Windy Miller who will probably break Kamar’s record tells you all you need to know about our club’s Ambition# Oh Happy days That windmilling arm motion on the sideline is really getting on my tits, that and the fact he hasn't got a clue. But it's PASSION. Who needs tactics and game management?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2018 18:58:08 GMT
Sadly, he isn't worse than Lambert. give me Lambert over Hughes ANYDAY Gonorrhea's slightly preferable to having syphilis. It doesn't mean that I want either of them 🙄
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2018 19:03:39 GMT
I know the feeling! We've got him for the next 2 years unfortunately, not looking forward to it myself either 😂 That's the downer for me. I've accepted relegation since Everton at home. Last Sunday's game though has filled me with complete and utter dread at watching any Lambert team for the next two years. We really were that bad against Burnley. The comments he's made since being told his job is safe for next season makes me want to burst into tears. Expect lots of hoofing and brainless running dressed up as 'a return to Stoke principles' as we continue to draw and lose by the odd goal for ever and ever. Fucking depressing There seems to be a bit too much piling on for my liking. Lambert was brought in with an expectation approaching Lazarus-like proportions. We were actually pretty good in the first half against Burnley, but lost the plot in the second half due to a combination of poor fitness and strange substitutions. The latter was definitely Lambert’s fault, the lack of fitness is certainly not.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 26, 2018 19:06:25 GMT
That's the downer for me. I've accepted relegation since Everton at home. Last Sunday's game though has filled me with complete and utter dread at watching any Lambert team for the next two years. We really were that bad against Burnley. The comments he's made since being told his job is safe for next season makes me want to burst into tears. Expect lots of hoofing and brainless running dressed up as 'a return to Stoke principles' as we continue to draw and lose by the odd goal for ever and ever. Fucking depressing There seems to be a bit too much piling on for my liking. Lambert was brought in with an expectation approaching Lazarus-like proportions. We were actually pretty good in the first half against Burnley, but lost the plot in the second half due to a combination of poor fitness and strange substitutions. The latter was definitely Lambert’s fault, the lack of fitness is certainly not. What do you mean the fitness isn't his fault, how many weeks does he need for Christ sake, it's not as if he was starting with the cast of "Biggest Loser" (Be a rhino and Wimmer excepted!)
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 26, 2018 19:10:13 GMT
Lambert is boring and clueless....... unfortunately Coates is an arrogant fool who seems to get a kick out of ignoring the plainly obvious.... oh and for good measure the fans too.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2018 19:16:38 GMT
There seems to be a bit too much piling on for my liking. Lambert was brought in with an expectation approaching Lazarus-like proportions. We were actually pretty good in the first half against Burnley, but lost the plot in the second half due to a combination of poor fitness and strange substitutions. The latter was definitely Lambert’s fault, the lack of fitness is certainly not. What do you mean the fitness isn't his fault, how many weeks does he need for Christ sake, it's not as if he was starting with the cast of "Biggest Loser" (Be a rhino and Wimmer excepted!) The problem with the lack fitness of the team is so deep rooted in the culture of the team that he inherited. He clearly also had a problem with the attitude of several of the players who loved Hughes because his expectations were so low. Edit: I just remembered something else. I watched Charlie Adam “warm up” right in front of me before the Everton game. He totally ignored the trainer, goofing around and juggling the ball. Some of the so-called experienced players have shown a complete lack of leadership (no wonder three of them were dumped).
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 26, 2018 19:26:01 GMT
What do you mean the fitness isn't his fault, how many weeks does he need for Christ sake, it's not as if he was starting with the cast of "Biggest Loser" (Be a rhino and Wimmer excepted!) The problem with the lack fitness of the team is so deep rooted in the culture of the team that he inherited. He clearly also had a problem with the attitude of several of the players who loved Hughes because his expectations were so low. Edit: I just remembered something else. I watched Charlie Adam “warm up” right in front of me before the Everton game. He totally ignored the trainer, goofing around and juggling the ball. Some of the so-called experienced players have shown a complete lack of leadership (no wonder three of them were dumped). If he can't change their attitude to fitness he's not fit to manage
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 26, 2018 19:30:18 GMT
That's the downer for me. I've accepted relegation since Everton at home. Last Sunday's game though has filled me with complete and utter dread at watching any Lambert team for the next two years. We really were that bad against Burnley. The comments he's made since being told his job is safe for next season makes me want to burst into tears. Expect lots of hoofing and brainless running dressed up as 'a return to Stoke principles' as we continue to draw and lose by the odd goal for ever and ever. Fucking depressing There seems to be a bit too much piling on for my liking. Lambert was brought in with an expectation approaching Lazarus-like proportions. We were actually pretty good in the first half against Burnley, but lost the plot in the second half due to a combination of poor fitness and strange substitutions. The latter was definitely Lambert’s fault, the lack of fitness is certainly not. Second half was nothing to do with lack of fitness. Lack of tactical nouse to be able to adjust your team to cope with a long ball to overlapping full backs instead of a long ball to a centre forward shouldn't be too daunting a prospect for a top league manager to cope with. The man has one very basic tactic, put 9 men behind the ball and hit it long towards a target man or into the channels for Diouf to chase and hope your best player (Shaq) can pick up a half chance in 90 minutes. Dyche realised we weren't going to commit players forward and second half let his full backs off the leash. Basic fucking stuff. What does Lambert do, remove the paciest player we have (Bauer) who can get behind the gaps created by the attacking full backs.
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Post by britvic72 on Apr 26, 2018 19:30:40 GMT
Does anyone know what the extent of Choupo-Motings groin injury is? It must be serious. All we know is he’s not dead or their keeper may have got a yellow card
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 26, 2018 21:25:16 GMT
I'd like to get Choupo back to be honest and play him as an out and out striker, best finisher at the club since we gave Bojan a year off.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 26, 2018 21:42:46 GMT
The story that he has been 'tipped the wink' that he will be back next year to lead us in the championship is true then. I suppose the only remaining question is can be beat Chris Kamara's all time record of only 1 victory in 14 games while in charge of Stoke City? He's going balls out for it and I fancy he can do it. He'll more than likely fuck that up as well somehow!!!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 27, 2018 0:15:10 GMT
There seems to be a bit too much piling on for my liking. Lambert was brought in with an expectation approaching Lazarus-like proportions. We were actually pretty good in the first half against Burnley, but lost the plot in the second half due to a combination of poor fitness and strange substitutions. The latter was definitely Lambert’s fault, the lack of fitness is certainly not. Second half was nothing to do with lack of fitness. Lack of tactical nouse to be able to adjust your team to cope with a long ball to overlapping full backs instead of a long ball to a centre forward shouldn't be too daunting a prospect for a top league manager to cope with. The man has one very basic tactic, put 9 men behind the ball and hit it long towards a target man or into the channels for Diouf to chase and hope your best player (Shaq) can pick up a half chance in 90 minutes. Dyche realised we weren't going to commit players forward and second half let his full backs off the leash. Basic fucking stuff. What does Lambert do, remove the paciest player we have (Bauer) who can get behind the gaps created by the attacking full backs. I agree bringing off Bauer was easily as bad as any of the substitutions that Hughes made in all his time at Stoke - and he made some head-scratchingly bad ones.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2018 1:10:23 GMT
If we don't start strong next season, how long before things turn ugly? I'm hoping it turns a bit ugly once our relegation is mathematically certain. I'll continue giving my full support until then but once we're down we should make it known we don't want this useless berk in charge next season. With the shocking results since he took over, it's bonkers that we would give him a crack at next season. Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic.
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 27, 2018 1:27:30 GMT
I'm hoping it turns a bit ugly once our relegation is mathematically certain. I'll continue giving my full support until then but once we're down we should make it known we don't want this useless berk in charge next season. With the shocking results since he took over, it's bonkers that we would give him a crack at next season. Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic. If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2018 1:37:19 GMT
Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic. If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition. Honestly I don't think Sam is realistic he sees himself as a good Prem manager, can't see him willing to admit defeat and drop down, McCarthy is on a par with Lambert, okay in the chap but anything higher and he's out of his depth, but this is my point really, its either unrealistic or same old.
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 27, 2018 1:47:46 GMT
If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition. Honestly I don't think Sam is realistic he sees himself as a good Prem manager, can't see him willing to admit defeat and drop down, McCarthy is on a par with Lambert, okay in the chap but anything higher and he's out of his depth, but this is my point really, its either unrealistic or same old. If Everton dump Sam he won't want to retire on the back of that he'll want to end it on his terms and I can't see Swansea,west ham taking a punt on him and he sure wouldn't go back to palace. He sure could wait till October when a team is bang in trouble and go in and save them but with West brom rumoured to be interested surely if they try for him we could. Thought of Lambert for the next 2 years has drained me of any hope I have left haha.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 27, 2018 4:01:28 GMT
Keeping Windy Miller who will probably break Kamar’s record tells you all you need to know about our club’s Ambition# Oh Happy days I know he got our hopes up saying he was here for 15 games and then Yeah, and he said less than a week ago that he was here for 15
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 4:36:46 GMT
I know the feeling! We've got him for the next 2 years unfortunately, not looking forward to it myself either 😂 On the bright side if he is here 2 years does it mean we've been successful? Or loyal to another bumbling baffoon past his sell by date 😠😬😅
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 4:37:48 GMT
If we don't start strong next season, how long before things turn ugly? Game 2! 😬
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 4:43:01 GMT
If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition. Honestly I don't think Sam is realistic he sees himself as a good Prem manager, can't see him willing to admit defeat and drop down, McCarthy is on a par with Lambert, okay in the chap but anything higher and he's out of his depth, but this is my point really, its either unrealistic or same old. Fat Sam likes a fat wallet and will follow the £££££"s
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 4:45:36 GMT
Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic. If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition. What about Potter? QSF? Just a thought or two
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Post by adi on Apr 27, 2018 5:15:00 GMT
Sadly, he isn't worse than Lambert. That’s why he was sacked..... PL has tried harder to get us out than Hughes, we were going down with him, almost certainly still are but PL doesn’t deserve the shit he’s getting. We were done by Christmas and nothing has changed, other than the cohesion and work rate.
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Post by lordb on Apr 27, 2018 6:16:55 GMT
If I was coates I'd either go and get a manager like big sam we know what he can do he got west ham out of the championship and then established them in the premier league he could build foundations similar to how Pulis did he'd also attract the players needed to get back up at the first time of asking his football isn't pretty but effective or I'd go for a manager like a Thomas tuchel similar to what wolves have done just without the super agent pay him handsomely and sell him a project of completely rebuilding squad and back him financially let him give us an identity like what he did at Mainz. Or there's the option of going for championship experience like a Dean Smith or a Mick McCarthy. Tuchel probably is too unrealistic but the other three could be tempted to come it's all down to the board's ambition. What about Potter? QSF? Just a thought or two QSF turned down Premier League Stoke,why would he then take on Championship Stoke? Unrealistic as is Tuchel as was mentioned earlier. Dean Smith,Potter are realistic shouts. However it's absolutely obvious that Lambert will start the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2018 6:19:50 GMT
What about Potter? QSF? Just a thought or two QSF turned down Premier League Stoke,why would he then take on Championship Stoke? Unrealistic as is Tuchel as was mentioned earlier. Dean Smith,Potter are realistic shouts. However it's absolutely obvious that Lambert will start the season. Surely if we offer him the same project and now everything is pretty much set in stone then I could see him being up for it. He had concerns and rightly so but they're out there in the open now. And if the project was as good as portrayed and they offered that again then I think he'd be interested. It just depends on what other offers he'd get.
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Post by lordb on Apr 27, 2018 6:45:24 GMT
QSF turned down Premier League Stoke,why would he then take on Championship Stoke? Unrealistic as is Tuchel as was mentioned earlier. Dean Smith,Potter are realistic shouts. However it's absolutely obvious that Lambert will start the season. Surely if we offer him the same project and now everything is pretty much set in stone then I could see him being up for it. He had concerns and rightly so but they're out there in the open now. And if the project was as good as portrayed and they offered that again then I think he'd be interested. It just depends on what other offers he'd get. He'd get offers from top flight clubs either in England or Spain. That puts us at a huge disadvantage. To overcome that we would need to put a huge amount of money - salary/transfer budget/wage budget - on the table. We obviously didn't do that in January otherwise he would have taken the job then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2018 6:52:46 GMT
Surely if we offer him the same project and now everything is pretty much set in stone then I could see him being up for it. He had concerns and rightly so but they're out there in the open now. And if the project was as good as portrayed and they offered that again then I think he'd be interested. It just depends on what other offers he'd get. He'd get offers from top flight clubs either in England or Spain. That puts us at a huge disadvantage. To overcome that we would need to put a huge amount of money - salary/transfer budget/wage budget - on the table. We obviously didn't do that in January otherwise he would have taken the job then. He might do but it's certainly not a given. And if you read what Balague said who is really close to QSF, I think we did offer him that. He clearly had some doubts that we couldn't allay but not having the security of that job may change that.
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Post by Silvio on Apr 27, 2018 7:00:36 GMT
I'm hoping it turns a bit ugly once our relegation is mathematically certain. I'll continue giving my full support until then but once we're down we should make it known we don't want this useless berk in charge next season. With the shocking results since he took over, it's bonkers that we would give him a crack at next season. Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic. There have to be better options out there than Lambert - I refuse to accept otherwise. I can't stand his dour, incomprehensible press conferences, his daft blue tracksuit, and worst of all his shit tactics, football and substitutions. It's been said 1000 times on here already but he's been a complete failure since he took over - you can't dress up those stats. He's got a better group of players to call upon that Hughes had and he's done worse. (I'm not defending Hughes) The aim should be promotion next year but we'll be lumbered with a manager with no wins since his first game in charge in January (probably), a mostly disillusioned fanbase, and a shit dressing room. A new manager could change at least 2 of those 3 things. If the club are serious about coming up at the first attempt then how about backing one of these... QSF - now out of work. Originally interested to some degree. Let's go back and try again. I don't see any shame in this. Moyes - West ham are a basket case. He might just fancy it here as we are much more in the Preston/Everton mould and he could build something in more stable surroundings. Paul Cook - manager on the up. Graham Potter - a big risk but imo worth taking when the alternative is Lambert. Marco Silva - look at Wolves. Big Sam - probably unrealistic but he might be out of a job in the summer. He doesn't seem to suit more "glamorous" clubs. Big name ex pro like Vieira, Lampard, Neville or Gerrard. Wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea but I would take these guys comfortably over PL. Kevin Nolan - another young manager on the up. Has turned around Notts County. As in January, we are still an attractive proposition to most managers and there are plenty of options about.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Apr 27, 2018 7:03:45 GMT
Oh Fuck how very predictable is this, after half a century of attending Stoke games that's me finished. Thank fuck for that. Does that mean you're finished on here too? 🤞
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Post by adi on Apr 27, 2018 7:20:31 GMT
Who would you get in? I'm struggling for anyone realistic. There have to be better options out there than Lambert - I refuse to accept otherwise. I can't stand his dour, incomprehensible press conferences, his daft blue tracksuit, and worst of all his shit tactics, football and substitutions. It's been said 1000 times on here already but he's been a complete failure since he took over - you can't dress up those stats. He's got a better group of players to call upon that Hughes had and he's done worse. (I'm not defending Hughes) The aim should be promotion next year but we'll be lumbered with a manager with no wins since his first game in charge in January (probably), a mostly disillusioned fanbase, and a shit dressing room. A new manager could change at least 2 of those 3 things. If the club are serious about coming up at the first attempt then how about backing one of these... QSF - now out of work. Originally interested to some degree. Let's go back and try again. I don't see any shame in this. Moyes - West ham are a basket case. He might just fancy it here as we are much more in the Preston/Everton mould and he could build something in more stable surroundings. Paul Cook - manager on the up. Graham Potter - a big risk but imo worth taking when the alternative is Lambert. Marco Silva - look at Wolves. Big Sam - probably unrealistic but he might be out of a job in the summer. He doesn't seem to suit more "glamorous" clubs. Big name ex pro like Vieira, Lampard, Neville or Gerrard. Wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea but I would take these guys comfortably over PL. Kevin Nolan - another young manager on the up. Has turned around Notts County. As in January, we are still an attractive proposition to most managers and there are plenty of options about. Lampard or Gerrard over PL? 😂
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Post by stokemark on Apr 27, 2018 8:51:45 GMT
I'd like to get Choupo back to be honest and play him as an out and out striker, best finisher at the club since we gave Bojan a year off. And he's a shit finisher so says it all to me
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