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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 22:18:15 GMT
If somehow you could forget the last 5 years and had to choose between Hughes and Lambert just on their CVs. Which would you pick? Lambert 😂😂😂😂
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 15, 2018 22:19:12 GMT
If somehow you could forget the last 5 years and had to choose between Hughes and Lambert just on their CVs. Which would you pick? european manager The question was if you had to choose between Hughes and Lambert.
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Post by thegift on Mar 15, 2018 22:22:39 GMT
Getting Norwich promoted was more than hughes could ever dream of doing
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2018 22:23:11 GMT
He’s History. Let’s move on FFS
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 15, 2018 22:26:52 GMT
If somehow you could forget the last 5 years and had to choose between Hughes and Lambert just on their CVs. Which would you pick? Lambert You must actually be taking the piss fella. Right yes the QPR fuckup was awful from Hughes but if you were choosing Lambert over him based on the past 5 years being erased you must be seriously fucking mental. Okay so Hughes never won any cups, but niether did Lambert, and the style of football in comparison, QPR aside, was fucking eons ahead of anything Lambert ever had Norwich and Villa playing.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 15, 2018 22:36:51 GMT
If somehow you could forget the last 5 years and had to choose between Hughes and Lambert just on their CVs. Which would you pick? Lambert My mistake I meant to say read their CVs
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Post by onionman on Mar 15, 2018 22:39:14 GMT
Schwarzer seems to think he's out of his comfort zone as a football manager full stop.
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Post by samba :) on Mar 15, 2018 22:39:37 GMT
My mistake I meant to say read their CVs so at 2013? Hughes just sacked from qpr after being terrible Lambo just got norwich up and takes an upwards step to villa
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Post by andystokey on Mar 15, 2018 22:50:07 GMT
Probably explains a lot about why things gradually go rotten for him. Sooner or later the manager needs to lay the law down. Post TP it was probably a bit of a relief for a couple of years. As the dressing room characters become weaker ie no SJW, no Whelan I suspect a few players started to take the piss and weren’t challenged. Before you know it, it’s a fucking holiday camp.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 15, 2018 22:51:00 GMT
My mistake I meant to say read their CVs so at 2013? Hughes just sacked from qpr after being terrible Lambo just got norwich up and takes an upwards step to villa Their respective records in the PL aren’t even close.
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Post by cheekycheddleton on Mar 15, 2018 23:14:02 GMT
The question was if you had to choose between Hughes and Lambert. lambert
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Post by salopian on Mar 15, 2018 23:52:45 GMT
Be odd if next season we are swanning around in the Championship with Lambo while Sparky and TP are giving it large in the Prem at Southampton and Middlesboro wouldn't it? I don't know what our Chief Executive and Board of Directors would think but I'd break down and cry! They probably wouldn't even notice to have an opinion they are that blind and unware of things staring them in the face... And even if it was pointed out to them I wouldn't expect much of a reaction!!
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Post by thegift on Mar 15, 2018 23:57:07 GMT
You must actually be taking the piss fella. Right yes the QPR fuckup was awful from Hughes but if you were choosing Lambert over him based on the past 5 years being erased you must be seriously fucking mental. Okay so Hughes never won any cups, but niether did Lambert, and the style of football in comparison, QPR aside, was fucking eons ahead of anything Lambert ever had Norwich and Villa playing. Lambert got norwich promoted and Hughes sunk QPR
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 15, 2018 23:58:04 GMT
He is not good enough but he is still better than Lambert. As long as he is not going to participate in their new signings, he may keep them in the PL. "his worst decisions with Stoke were the new signings" How could he ? Too many clubs are competing to be more shit than others this season, he may keep them as less shit than others.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Mar 16, 2018 0:02:18 GMT
What it tells me is that there are no 'good managers' sitting there just waiting for a phone call. People on here seemed to think that was the case. Some still do. They've recruited a manager who made a decent squad a clusterfuck, and couldn't get key players match-fit. Short term that maybe won't be an issue. But if I was looking for a fiery, up and at 'em manager to come in, shake some people up, motivate a squad, and get people on the front foot, Hughes is the last manager I'd have gone for. Not that there are many options. His best hope, I think, is that his players have breathed a sigh of relief, and were playing within themselves under the old manager, and just the change itself, whoever the manager, will give them the push they need. I think Hughes had to go because of results, transfer dealings and he had lost the support of most fans, however we had/have posters on here totally misrepresenting the facts about him. He had Blackburn at 6th and 7th in the PL, Fulham 8th, Stoke 9th three times and had saved QPR from relegation in his first few games with them. Mark Hughes has been and still is a good manager, the fact that it eventually went wrong for him here should never be allowed to alter that fact. Paul Lambert has a good record in the lower leagues and may well surprise people, if we go down though he will share some of the blame for that along with Hughes. What is unforgivable is that he allowed several players in a professional team to become unfit. You can dress up other arguments one way or another any way you like ,but a lack of basic fitness should not be an issue in football at any level.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 16, 2018 0:08:51 GMT
As per the original post headline “REPEAT” Who gives a fuck.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 16, 2018 8:19:58 GMT
As per the original post headline “REPEAT” Who gives a fuck. I do, as do others who are just having a debate on a message board. When our ex manager of nearly 5 years is given the heave ho only 9 games ago. Then turns up at one of our nearest relegation rivals who I suspect most of us were hoping would go down instead of us. Then yeah I give a fuck and its worth talking about.
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Post by thegift on Mar 16, 2018 8:50:00 GMT
As per the original post headline “REPEAT” Who gives a fuck. I do, as do others who are just having a debate on a message board. When our ex manager of nearly 5 years is given the heave ho only 9 games ago. Then turns up at one of our nearest relegation rivals who I suspect most of us were hoping would go down instead of us. Then yeah I give a fuck and its worth talking about. x2 Owdestokie shut up mate
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 16, 2018 9:17:11 GMT
I think Hughes had to go because of results, transfer dealings and he had lost the support of most fans, however we had/have posters on here totally misrepresenting the facts about him. He had Blackburn at 6th and 7th in the PL, Fulham 8th, Stoke 9th three times and had saved QPR from relegation in his first few games with them. Mark Hughes has been and still is a good manager, the fact that it eventually went wrong for him here should never be allowed to alter that fact. Paul Lambert has a good record in the lower leagues and may well surprise people, if we go down though he will share some of the blame for that along with Hughes. What is unforgivable is that he allowed several players in a professional team to become unfit. You can dress up other arguments one way or another any way you like ,but a lack of basic fitness should not be an issue in football at any level. I have given the stats/facts about the record of Hughes as a manager, not sure how that can be dressing anything up. You say several players were allowed to become unfit but you give no names, my guess is that the players in question had various problems/issues the manager and coaches were trying to deal with. It was fairly obvious Hughes would get another PL job based on his overall record, I suppose though that the majority of Stoke fans see him now as a failure, just as I guess the majority of Villa fans see Lambert as a failure. Posters say Hughes couldn't set a team up to defend, and yet apart from the last 12 months at Stoke, he had a good record as a manager in terms of goals conceded. At the same time as Hughes is receiving all this criticism no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Aston Villa had an awful goals scoring record under Paul Lambert, apparently the reason we are not creating chances or scoring goals at the moment is not down to him but the players Hughes has left him. The majority of posts I see on here about Mark Hughes are not fair or balanced, in any case our main worry now is our current manager and whether we are still going to get a new manager bounce.
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Post by thegift on Mar 16, 2018 9:26:21 GMT
What is unforgivable is that he allowed several players in a professional team to become unfit. You can dress up other arguments one way or another any way you like ,but a lack of basic fitness should not be an issue in football at any level. I have given the stats/facts about the record of Hughes as a manager, not sure how that can be dressing anything up. You say several players were allowed to become unfit but you give no names, my guess is that the players in question had various problems/issues the manager and coaches were trying to deal with. It was fairly obvious Hughes would get another PL job based on his overall record, I suppose though that the majority of Stoke fans see him now as a failure, just as I guess the majority of Villa fans see Lambert as a failure. Posters say Hughes couldn't set a team up to defend, and yet apart from the last 12 months at Stoke, he had a good record as a manager in terms of goals conceded. At the same time as Hughes is receiving all this criticism no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Aston Villa had an awful goals scoring record under Paul Lambert, apparently the reason we are not creating chances or scoring goals at the moment is not down to him but the players Hughes has left him. The majority of posts I see on here about Mark Hughes are not fair or balanced, in any case our main worry now is our current manager and whether we are still going to get a new manager bounce. What nonsense. - Quite a few players were unfit, and here are some names for you. Wimmer Berahino Adam Fletcher Lambert has even come out and name and shamed a couple of them. The reason goals were not conceded as much in the early years is because Butland saved our arses. It had absolutely nothing to do with our defense being good because it was terrible. Seriously what is this love in for Hughes? We havent had a goal scorer for about 4 years, Hughes chased Berahino for 2 seasons, after he knew he failed a drugs test and was unfit yet shelled out 15 of the queens millions for him. Again, that's down to Hughes leaving Lambert with a bunch of shitters. We don't have a goal scorer and haven't for a long while.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Mar 16, 2018 9:28:10 GMT
What is unforgivable is that he allowed several players in a professional team to become unfit. You can dress up other arguments one way or another any way you like ,but a lack of basic fitness should not be an issue in football at any level. I have given the stats/facts about the record of Hughes as a manager, not sure how that can be dressing anything up. You say several players were allowed to become unfit but you give no names, my guess is that the players in question had various problems/issues the manager and coaches were trying to deal with. It was fairly obvious Hughes would get another PL job based on his overall record, I suppose though that the majority of Stoke fans see him now as a failure, just as I guess the majority of Villa fans see Lambert as a failure. Posters say Hughes couldn't set a team up to defend, and yet apart from the last 12 months at Stoke, he had a good record as a manager in terms of goals conceded. At the same time as Hughes is receiving all this criticism no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Aston Villa had an awful goals scoring record under Paul Lambert, apparently the reason we are not creating chances or scoring goals at the moment is not down to him but the players Hughes has left him. The majority of posts I see on here about Mark Hughes are not fair or balanced, in any case our main worry now is our current manager and whether we are still going to get a new manager bounce. Well I would have thought it obvious to people who watch Stoke ,which players were well below the fitness levels required to perform at Premier league standard ,but how about Berahino , Wimmer ( bought by Hughes at a cost of £30 M , a scandal in itself) Adam , Fletcher , Johnson. That is 5 from his 1st team squad , pretty significant I would have thought.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 16, 2018 9:58:14 GMT
I have given the stats/facts about the record of Hughes as a manager, not sure how that can be dressing anything up. You say several players were allowed to become unfit but you give no names, my guess is that the players in question had various problems/issues the manager and coaches were trying to deal with. It was fairly obvious Hughes would get another PL job based on his overall record, I suppose though that the majority of Stoke fans see him now as a failure, just as I guess the majority of Villa fans see Lambert as a failure. Posters say Hughes couldn't set a team up to defend, and yet apart from the last 12 months at Stoke, he had a good record as a manager in terms of goals conceded. At the same time as Hughes is receiving all this criticism no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Aston Villa had an awful goals scoring record under Paul Lambert, apparently the reason we are not creating chances or scoring goals at the moment is not down to him but the players Hughes has left him. The majority of posts I see on here about Mark Hughes are not fair or balanced, in any case our main worry now is our current manager and whether we are still going to get a new manager bounce. Well I would have thought it obvious to people who watch Stoke ,which players were well below the fitness levels required to perform at Premier league standard ,but how about Berahino , Wimmer ( bought by Hughes at a cost of £30 M , a scandal in itself) Adam , Fletcher , Johnson. That is 5 from his 1st team squad , pretty sigUnlikenificant I would have thought. Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Mar 16, 2018 10:04:51 GMT
Well I would have thought it obvious to people who watch Stoke ,which players were well below the fitness levels required to perform at Premier league standard ,but how about Berahino , Wimmer ( bought by Hughes at a cost of £30 M , a scandal in itself) Adam , Fletcher , Johnson. That is 5 from his 1st team squad , pretty sigUnlikenificant I would have thought. Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good. Geoff , I am not disputing his managerial record, which has its high points I know. However a good level of fitness for professional footballers should not be an issue, it clearly was this season and that's what I find unforgivable.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2018 10:24:28 GMT
Well I would have thought it obvious to people who watch Stoke ,which players were well below the fitness levels required to perform at Premier league standard ,but how about Berahino , Wimmer ( bought by Hughes at a cost of £30 M , a scandal in itself) Adam , Fletcher , Johnson. That is 5 from his 1st team squad , pretty sigUnlikenificant I would have thought. Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good. What made you see the light about Hughes Geoff, given you were absolutely adamant he shouldn't have been sacked?
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 16, 2018 10:30:35 GMT
Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good. Geoff , I am not disputing his managerial record, which has its high points I know. However a good level of fitness for professional footballers should not be an issue, it clearly was this season and that's what I find unforgivable. Fair enough, just that I see the problems at Stoke and with the former manager in a different way. The PL has undergone significant change in the last couple of seasons with the gap between the very wealthy few and the rest growing much bigger, we have seen managers with good track records struggling to cope with the pressure of this. Look at the clubs who have sacked their managers this season, Stoke, West Brom, Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Palace, Watford, Swansea, doesn't this indicate that the problems for medium sized clubs have become much bigger. We may find a new manager who will give us a boost for a few seasons but at the end of the day competing in this league is getting harder, unless the manager is given significant funds then the days of 9th place finishes may be gone forever.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 16, 2018 10:34:16 GMT
Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good. What made you see the light about Hughes Geoff, given you were absolutely adamant he shouldn't have been sacked? I don't really think he should have been sacked, but results and transfers meant he had lost the fans and therefore I think he had to go.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2018 10:36:30 GMT
What made you see the light about Hughes Geoff, given you were absolutely adamant he shouldn't have been sacked? I don't really think he should have been sacked, but results and transfers meant he had lost the fans and therefore I think he had to go. So just so we're clear, you're blaming the fans for the current predicament?
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Post by thegift on Mar 16, 2018 10:37:37 GMT
Unlike you I wouldn't pretend to know what the problems were with the players you mention, just to suggest that the five players in question were simply unfit because of Mark Hughes seems a bit simplistic. As I said in my earlier post Hughes was sacked because of results and poor transfer dealings, that shouldn't mean that we can't recognise that his overall record at Stoke and in the PL has been very good. What made you see the light about Hughes Geoff, given you were absolutely adamant he shouldn't have been sacked? Maybe the results of late when he was in charge? Stats starting from November: Lost: 2-1 to palace 3-0 to liverpool 5-1 at spurs 1-0 at burnley 3-0 to west ham 5-0 to chelsea 1-0 to newcastle 2-1 at coventry Drew: Huddesfield 1-1 Won: Swansea 2-1 West brom 3-1 Does them stats not speak for itself geoff321So thats 7 points out of a possible 33.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 16, 2018 10:44:44 GMT
I don't really think he should have been sacked, but results and transfers meant he had lost the fans and therefore I think he had to go. So just so we're clear, you're blaming the fans for the current predicament? No, if you're a fan and you think Hughes has failed then you're quite entitled to say he should go, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are right.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2018 11:50:48 GMT
So just so we're clear, you're blaming the fans for the current predicament? No, if you're a fan and you think Hughes has failed then you're quite entitled to say he should go, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are right. No, though there's more than enough evidence to suggest they were though.
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