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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 18:42:02 GMT
Sky sports has just had us in 16th when Hughes was sacked and 19th now. Some improvement Lambert has made. we were 18th - two teams below us won the day after the Newcastle game - which was Sparkys last. That is not what it said on sky. I know That, you know that...Sky clearly don't.
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 14, 2018 18:44:10 GMT
Sky sports has just had us in 16th when Hughes was sacked and 19th now. Some improvement Lambert has made. We were 18th as has been said. Lambert being shit and Hughes being shit are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 14, 2018 18:44:25 GMT
Sky sports has just had us in 16th when Hughes was sacked and 19th now. Some improvement Lambert has made. We're 1000x better. Had he been in for longer we wouldn't be as low as we are. He's not perfect but if you can't see the improvement i'd suggest you clean your glasses. Can you highlight the improvement for me, my glasses must be covered in shit. Outside of the defence (which as posted above Hughes didn't have a settled defence due to injuries) I can't see any improvement. -Ridiculous subs -omissions from the squad (Ireland , Edwards, & Afellay) -dross football -delusional/peculiar media comments -Johnson, fuckin Johnson -I'm not convinced by his man management, don't think all the players are buying into his philosophy
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 18:45:05 GMT
Sky sports has just had us in 16th when Hughes was sacked and 19th now. Some improvement Lambert has made. We're 1000x better. Had he been in for longer we wouldn't be as low as we are. He's not perfect but if you can't see the improvement i'd suggest you clean your glasses. I've seen fewer points from the same fixture set. I've seen us drop at least 1 place in the league table. I've seen teams right next to us get away from us. I've seen a team set up to barely cross the half way line. I've seen a team that not only doesn't score goals but doesn't actually have any shots. In Hughes last league game in charge, the opposition goalkeeper was man of the match. My glasses are spotless thanks. Don't bother cleaning yours. Just get yourself to the opticians for an eye test and a new pair
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 18:45:56 GMT
Sky sports has just had us in 16th when Hughes was sacked and 19th now. Some improvement Lambert has made. We were 18th as has been said. Lambert being shit and Hughes being shit are not mutually exclusive. It isn't me that requires this very simple fact pointing out.
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 14, 2018 18:47:59 GMT
We were 18th as has been said. Lambert being shit and Hughes being shit are not mutually exclusive. It isn't me that requires this very simple fact pointing out. Fair enough. I'll add to it that all managers become shit eventually. Some just achieve it quicker than others. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 19:19:30 GMT
We're 1000x better. Had he been in for longer we wouldn't be as low as we are. He's not perfect but if you can't see the improvement i'd suggest you clean your glasses. Can you highlight the improvement for me, my glasses must be covered in shit. Outside of the defence (which as posted above Hughes didn't have a settled defence due to injuries) I can't see any improvement. -Ridiculous subs -omissions from the squad (Ireland , Edwards, & Afellay) -dross football -delusional/peculiar media comments -Johnson, fuckin Johnson -I'm not convinced by his man management, don't think all the players are buying into his philosophy The defence for one. Hughes had plenty good defenders. There were injuries but barring the Chelsea game he still had plenty of good defenders, Shawcross and Zouma haven't missed many at all. Football was shite under hughes, the improvement being that we're not conceding 50 goals a game whilst playing dross football.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 19:21:32 GMT
We're 1000x better. Had he been in for longer we wouldn't be as low as we are. He's not perfect but if you can't see the improvement i'd suggest you clean your glasses. I've seen fewer points from the same fixture set. I've seen us drop at least 1 place in the league table. I've seen teams right next to us get away from us. I've seen a team set up to barely cross the half way line. I've seen a team that not only doesn't score goals but doesn't actually have any shots. In Hughes last league game in charge, the opposition goalkeeper was man of the match. My glasses are spotless thanks. Don't bother cleaning yours. Just get yourself to the opticians for an eye test and a new pair They're all different teams now, so how is that a comparison? We're still in touch with staying up despite people around us picking up decent results. We defended and hoofed it under Hughes, stop pretending we were attacking because we weren't. We didn't score under Hughes, the difference being we conceded over 2 a game. Lambert isn't perfect but fuck me i'd have him over keeping Hughes absolutely any day.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 19:25:44 GMT
I've seen fewer points from the same fixture set. I've seen us drop at least 1 place in the league table. I've seen teams right next to us get away from us. I've seen a team set up to barely cross the half way line. I've seen a team that not only doesn't score goals but doesn't actually have any shots. In Hughes last league game in charge, the opposition goalkeeper was man of the match. My glasses are spotless thanks. Don't bother cleaning yours. Just get yourself to the opticians for an eye test and a new pair They're all different teams now, so how is that a comparison? We're still in touch with staying up despite people around us picking up decent results. We defended and hoofed it under Hughes, stop pretending we were attacking because we weren't. We didn't score under Hughes, the difference being we conceded over 2 a game. Lambert isn't perfect but fuck me i'd have him over keeping Hughes absolutely any day. How are they different teams? In games v huddersfield, Watford, Brighton, Leicester, Southampton and man city, Hughes picked up more points in the same frigging season. Hughes wasn't perfect but I'd have him over the useless twat we've got now absolutely any day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 19:36:43 GMT
They're all different teams now, so how is that a comparison? We're still in touch with staying up despite people around us picking up decent results. We defended and hoofed it under Hughes, stop pretending we were attacking because we weren't. We didn't score under Hughes, the difference being we conceded over 2 a game. Lambert isn't perfect but fuck me i'd have him over keeping Hughes absolutely any day. How are they different teams? In games v huddersfield, Watford, Brighton, Leicester, Southampton and man city, Hughes picked up more points in the same frigging season. Hughes wasn't perfect but I'd have him over the useless twat we've got now absolutely any day. They're different because team's form changes over a season... Facing Swansea 6 months ago was an easy win, facing them now is much more daunting, for example. Huddersfield we beat, Hughes drew. Watford they threw the game away at our place with 42 mins play time, and we were lucky to win away because Hughes sat us back for the entire second half. Brighton we drew both. Leicester we drew both. Southampton at home we beat, just, with a fucking awful second half performance that barely deserved a point. Away, we got a decent point. Man city we were defensively great against on Monday barring two mistakes, and we conceded 5 (FIVE) fewer goals this time under Lambert. It's not perfect, and we need to be better going forward. But under Hughes we'd be already gone. I can't physically believe how short your memory is.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 19:47:24 GMT
How are they different teams? In games v huddersfield, Watford, Brighton, Leicester, Southampton and man city, Hughes picked up more points in the same frigging season. Hughes wasn't perfect but I'd have him over the useless twat we've got now absolutely any day. They're different because team's form changes over a season... Facing Swansea 6 months ago was an easy win, facing them now is much more daunting, for example. Huddersfield we beat, Hughes drew. Watford they threw the game away at our place with 42 mins play time, and we were lucky to win away because Hughes sat us back for the entire second half. Brighton we drew both. Leicester we drew both. Southampton at home we beat, just, with a fucking awful second half performance that barely deserved a point. Away, we got a decent point. Man city we were defensively great against on Monday barring two mistakes, and we conceded 5 (FIVE) fewer goals this time under Lambert. It's not perfect, and we need to be better going forward. But under Hughes we'd be already gone. I can't physically believe how short your memory is. Ah right. So swansea win doesn't count because they were shit but now it would yet you'll ignore a win away at Watford when they were flying, ignore our lousy point against a Southampton team that is so shit they are about to turn to Hughes as manager and make a host of other excuses for Lambert that you wouldn't extend to Hughes. My memory is perfectly fine thanks. I'll have very little problem remembering that you are incapable of even handed judgement for example. Lambert is toss and he's achieved the impossible task of making us worse than we were before with an injury free back 4, 3 new players and our best players permanently available.
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Post by Davef on Mar 14, 2018 20:33:52 GMT
Or your prepared to pay the going rate for one of the top 7 premier league match winners funny how lenses can be different . I don't remember you touting him as such when you were bemoaning us missing out on Allardyce to replace him? Not very respectful of 'one of the top 7 premier league match winners' is it? Well that shut him up. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) He'll be back on in a couple of days though, ignoring that hammer blow and spouting the same old shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 20:57:03 GMT
Can you highlight the improvement for me, my glasses must be covered in shit. Outside of the defence (which as posted above Hughes didn't have a settled defence due to injuries) I can't see any improvement. -Ridiculous subs -omissions from the squad (Ireland , Edwards, & Afellay) -dross football -delusional/peculiar media comments -Johnson, fuckin Johnson -I'm not convinced by his man management, don't think all the players are buying into his philosophy The defence for one. Hughes had plenty good defenders. There were injuries but barring the Chelsea game he still had plenty of good defenders, Shawcross and Zouma haven't missed many at all. Football was shite under hughes, the improvement being that we're not conceding 50 goals a game whilst playing dross football. We have not played a team capable of giving us a good hiding we are now about to see if the defence is better it was symbolic the other night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:23:04 GMT
I'm just hoping Hughes gets the job and completes the job he began with us two seasons ago 😬
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:31:20 GMT
They're different because team's form changes over a season... Facing Swansea 6 months ago was an easy win, facing them now is much more daunting, for example. Huddersfield we beat, Hughes drew. Watford they threw the game away at our place with 42 mins play time, and we were lucky to win away because Hughes sat us back for the entire second half. Brighton we drew both. Leicester we drew both. Southampton at home we beat, just, with a fucking awful second half performance that barely deserved a point. Away, we got a decent point. Man city we were defensively great against on Monday barring two mistakes, and we conceded 5 (FIVE) fewer goals this time under Lambert. It's not perfect, and we need to be better going forward. But under Hughes we'd be already gone. I can't physically believe how short your memory is. Ah right. So swansea win doesn't count because they were shit but now it would yet you'll ignore a win away at Watford when they were flying, ignore our lousy point against a Southampton team that is so shit they are about to turn to Hughes as manager and make a host of other excuses for Lambert that you wouldn't extend to Hughes. My memory is perfectly fine thanks. I'll have very little problem remembering that you are incapable of even handed judgement for example. Lambert is toss and he's achieved the impossible task of making us worse than we were before with an injury free back 4, 3 new players and our best players permanently available. Other than Chelsea at home we have always had enough available first team defenders. I didn't say the swansea win doesn't count at all. I didn't say Watford didn't either, it was a great win, but we made it much harder by sitting back and waiting, we got lucky they didn't score. I extended millions of excuses to Hughes, I'm just not laying into Lambert because we are so obviously miles better under him. Go watch the West Ham game back, go watch the City game away, the Brighton away game where we threw away a win by sitting deep, the Palace away game where we did the same, the Huddersfield away game where we absolutely stole a point. We were absolute shite and couldn't defend to save our lives. We can now defend. We're struggling up front but we did under Hughes too. We're far far far harder to beat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:32:19 GMT
The defence for one. Hughes had plenty good defenders. There were injuries but barring the Chelsea game he still had plenty of good defenders, Shawcross and Zouma haven't missed many at all. Football was shite under hughes, the improvement being that we're not conceding 50 goals a game whilst playing dross football. We have not played a team capable of giving us a good hiding we are now about to see if the defence is better it was symbolic the other night. We played one on monday night, they got 2 goals. Last time we played them, under Hughes, they got 7 (seven).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2018 21:39:25 GMT
Ah right. So swansea win doesn't count because they were shit but now it would yet you'll ignore a win away at Watford when they were flying, ignore our lousy point against a Southampton team that is so shit they are about to turn to Hughes as manager and make a host of other excuses for Lambert that you wouldn't extend to Hughes. My memory is perfectly fine thanks. I'll have very little problem remembering that you are incapable of even handed judgement for example. Lambert is toss and he's achieved the impossible task of making us worse than we were before with an injury free back 4, 3 new players and our best players permanently available. Other than Chelsea at home we have always had enough available first team defenders. I didn't say the swansea win doesn't count at all. I didn't say Watford didn't either, it was a great win, but we made it much harder by sitting back and waiting, we got lucky they didn't score. I extended millions of excuses to Hughes, I'm just not laying into Lambert because we are so obviously miles better under him. Go watch the West Ham game back, go watch the City game away, the Brighton away game where we threw away a win by sitting deep, the Palace away game where we did the same, the Huddersfield away game where we absolutely stole a point. We were absolute shite and couldn't defend to save our lives. We can now defend. We're struggling up front but we did under Hughes too. We're far far far harder to beat. How the fuck you can criticise a Hughes team for sitting back as some kind of evidence that Lambert has improved us is beyond me. We threw away a lead at Bournemouth by sitting back. We did the same at Leicester. We made hard work of getting a draw against Southampton for the same reason and Watford and were lucky to get a point v Brighton having been outplayed on our own patch. Seriously? I love the fact that you are so accepting that our back 4 has improved by playing a back 10. It's brightened up the shitest of shit days. Edit - west ham we were toss. We were 3-2 down at man city at half time and had 2 great chances to make it 3-3. We were the better side at Brighton and had shawcross scored an open goal from less than a yard out at palace we'd have won that game where we were again the better side. Losing 7 at man city was bad. Losing 5 v spurs was horrific. Losing against West ham was dire but there were more positives in many of our performances under Hughes than there have been under Mr dull! You just choose to ignore such things and then have the audacity to question someone's memory when you clearly have no recollection of anything.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 14, 2018 22:14:56 GMT
Wow you really hate the guy eh? We've improved in some areas for sure, I honestly don't understand why you are so adamant he's such a colossal failure. Diouf is injured as well...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:17:32 GMT
Other than Chelsea at home we have always had enough available first team defenders. I didn't say the swansea win doesn't count at all. I didn't say Watford didn't either, it was a great win, but we made it much harder by sitting back and waiting, we got lucky they didn't score. I extended millions of excuses to Hughes, I'm just not laying into Lambert because we are so obviously miles better under him. Go watch the West Ham game back, go watch the City game away, the Brighton away game where we threw away a win by sitting deep, the Palace away game where we did the same, the Huddersfield away game where we absolutely stole a point. We were absolute shite and couldn't defend to save our lives. We can now defend. We're struggling up front but we did under Hughes too. We're far far far harder to beat. How the fuck you can criticise a Hughes team for sitting back as some kind of evidence that Lambert has improved us is beyond me. We threw away a lead at Bournemouth by sitting back. We did the same at Leicester. We made hard work of getting a draw against Southampton for the same reason and Watford and were lucky to get a point v Brighton having been outplayed on our own patch. Seriously? I love the fact that you are so accepting that our back 4 has improved by playing a back 10. It's brightened up the shitest of shit days. Edit - west ham we were toss. We were 3-2 down at man city at half time and had 2 great chances to make it 3-3. We were the better side at Brighton and had shawcross scored an open goal from less than a yard out at palace we'd have won that game where we were again the better side. Losing 7 at man city was bad. Losing 5 v spurs was horrific. Losing against West ham was dire but there were more positives in many of our performances under Hughes than there have been under Mr dull! You just choose to ignore such things and then have the audacity to question someone's memory when you clearly have no recollection of anything. Because we're good at it under Lambert. We weren't under Hughes. We also didn't need to so desperately get points whilst Hughes was doing it, there was no need to sit back and pray that we'd hold on, especially when we were proven to be shit at defending under him. Our back four has improved because they're doing their jobs, and they know what their jobs are. Add to that the fact that Badou can move his legs unlike Fletcher, and Cameron is an excellent defensive shield. We weren't scoring under Hughes either. West Ham we were dreadful, had no creativity and no defence. Man City we got torn to shreds, gave them 3 early goals with awful defending (there's a little pattern of that happening under Hughes), got a couple of deflected goals and then more awful defending, coupled with fantastic football killed us off easily. We were the better side at Brighton first half, but conceded 2 from poor defending and sat back praying for a draw second half. Palace we were crap, we had no creativity and let them score two very easy goals (pattern again). We didn't deserve to be in the lead and our defence made sure we ended up with nothing. We had zero positives at the end under Hughes. Early in the season, maybe, but not at the end. We went to Huddersfield and got smashed, went to Chelsea and got smashed, then lost at home to Newcastle, giving a relegation rival a massive 3 points. Under Lambert the huge positive is that we now have a defence that doesn't make you shit yourself every time the opposition get the ball. We weren't scoring under Hughes either. All the above should show that i'm not ignoring those things, they are actually part of the reasoning that, whilst dull and far from perfect, I'd take Paul Lambert absolutely any day over keeping Mark fucking Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:21:24 GMT
We have not played a team capable of giving us a good hiding we are now about to see if the defence is better it was symbolic the other night. We played one on monday night, they got 2 goals. Last time we played them, under Hughes, they got 7 (seven). They wasted so many chances to have scored seven again only this time our 2 goals were never coming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:23:52 GMT
We played one on monday night, they got 2 goals. Last time we played them, under Hughes, they got 7 (seven). They wasted so many chances to have scored seven again only this time our 2 goals were never coming. Did they? they basically passed around their defence and midfield all game. Maybe another one or two chances. We should've scored one and nearly got another. Away vs them we didn't have many chances at all, certainly no more than 3 or 4. Not that different to last night. Except we didn't concede 7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:26:58 GMT
I keep saying it but all of this is on the board.
Lambert is the name, the non-expansive style of football would be the same regardless.
The most exotic name linked was QSF - a bloke who visibly shit himself at Watford when they got dragged closer to the bottom of the league, stripped all wide men out of his side in favour of 4 central midfielders which starved their two forwards - Deeney and Ighalo (two forwards he wouldn't have had here had he come) of any service whatsoever.
How would he have coped here with a less balanced side with less firepower?
Next up was Martin O'Neill, who dresses like Lambert (or is it the other way round?) but is a slightly better version. They are pretty much clones of each other though aren't they? Again, what would he have done here with an unfit Berahino, 37 year old Crouch and recently converted right back Mame Diouf?
Lambert we have seen first hand.
That was your lot folks. Oh and by the way, anyone who came in was stuck with the signings the previous manager had lined up and of course, they tried REALLY hard to sign a centre forward.
Stick the boot into Lambert all you like, it's your opinion. After all it's the obvious option and the easy option.
As the great Brian Clough once said "When a club sacks a manager the people who appointed him should also go as they picked him".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:29:05 GMT
They wasted so many chances to have scored seven again only this time our 2 goals were never coming. Did they? they basically passed around their defence and midfield all game. Maybe another one or two chances. We should've scored one and nearly got another. Away vs them we didn't have many chances at all, certainly no more than 3 or 4. Not that different to last night. Except we didn't concede 7. That's the only difference 2 instead of seven the defending was shit and we were impotent up front we never even have it a go. Don't lose mentality will not stop us being relegated and that's PL's only plan and he's shit at that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 14, 2018 22:29:33 GMT
We played one on monday night, they got 2 goals. Last time we played them, under Hughes, they got 7 (seven). They wasted so many chances to have scored seven again only this time our 2 goals were never coming. Sorry mate I can't remember them missing loads of chances. Remind me? And we very nearly scored 3 goals albeit two would have been very spawny (not unlike the 2 at the Etihad).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:30:38 GMT
I keep saying it but all of this is on the board. Lambert is the name, the non-expansive style of football would be the same regardless. The most exotic name linked was QSF - a bloke who visibly shit himself at Watford when they got dragged closer to the bottom of the league, stripped all wide men out of his side in favour of 4 central midfielders which starved their two forwards - Deeney and Ighalo (two forwards he wouldn't have had here had he come) of any service whatsoever. How would he have coped here with a less balanced side with less firepower? Next up was Martin O'Neill, who dresses like Lambert (or is it the other way round?) but is a slightly better version. They are pretty much clones of each other though aren't they? Again, what would he have done here with an unfit Berahino, 37 year old Crouch and recently converted right back Mame Diouf? Lambert we have seen first hand. That was your lot folks. Oh and by the way, anyone who came in was stuck with the signings the previous manager had lined up and of course, they tried REALLY hard to sign a centre forward. Stick the boot into Lambert all you like, it's your opinion. After all it's the obvious option and the easy option. As the great Brian Clough once said "When a club sacks a manager the people who appointed him should also go as they picked him". A turd is a turd no matter how I look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:33:04 GMT
They wasted so many chances to have scored seven again only this time our 2 goals were never coming. Sorry mate I can't remember them missing loads of chances. Remind me? And we very nearly scored 3 goals albeit two would have been very spawny (not unlike the 2 at the Etihad). If you could not see that there's no point explaining they were taking the piss out of a side shaking like a shiting dog.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:33:29 GMT
Did they? they basically passed around their defence and midfield all game. Maybe another one or two chances. We should've scored one and nearly got another. Away vs them we didn't have many chances at all, certainly no more than 3 or 4. Not that different to last night. Except we didn't concede 7. That's the only difference 2 instead of seven the defending was shit and we were impotent up front we never even have it a go. Don't lose mentality will not stop us being relegated and that's OK only plan and he's shit at that. The defending was shit? really? I thought we held up really well against the best side in the league, who've torn teams (us included) apart. They certainly had a far more difficult time than the reverse fixture. I agree we need to go more attacking, but I refuse to accept that Hughes was better, by the end he had completely lost the plot. And he's not that shit at not losing. We've lost 2 under him, one against the best team i've seen at the Brit.
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2018 22:34:22 GMT
Confirmed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:35:19 GMT
I keep saying it but all of this is on the board. Lambert is the name, the non-expansive style of football would be the same regardless. The most exotic name linked was QSF - a bloke who visibly shit himself at Watford when they got dragged closer to the bottom of the league, stripped all wide men out of his side in favour of 4 central midfielders which starved their two forwards - Deeney and Ighalo (two forwards he wouldn't have had here had he come) of any service whatsoever. How would he have coped here with a less balanced side with less firepower? Next up was Martin O'Neill, who dresses like Lambert (or is it the other way round?) but is a slightly better version. They are pretty much clones of each other though aren't they? Again, what would he have done here with an unfit Berahino, 37 year old Crouch and recently converted right back Mame Diouf? Lambert we have seen first hand. That was your lot folks. Oh and by the way, anyone who came in was stuck with the signings the previous manager had lined up and of course, they tried REALLY hard to sign a centre forward. Stick the boot into Lambert all you like, it's your opinion. After all it's the obvious option and the easy option. As the great Brian Clough once said "When a club sacks a manager the people who appointed him should also go as they picked him". A turd is a turd no matter how I look at it. You're missing the point massively mate, you really are. Your point of view here is so short sighted it's untrue. What exactly do you expect in return of Lambert if he is sacked? Someone remotely better who plays expansive football? Look at the board and their choices, look at how they are systematically reducing first team investment at the same time. They have appointed Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes beforehand, with Hughes, a known pragmatist being the most exotic of choices. Wake up.
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Post by knowingeye on Mar 14, 2018 22:35:34 GMT
Enter stage left Mark Hughes Confirmed......but what do I know?
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