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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:34:34 GMT
Its called criticism. The club all the way through deserve to be criticised right now. A complete and utter shambles, gambling with our premier league status disgracefully. They are complete amateurs and so is their new manager. The pursuit of Danny Ings in January is typical. Its almost funny how clueless they are. Typical Stoke, done for by a small time attitude which is shared by much of our support No. It's called whining like a bitch. Partick, I see a board that totally lost sight of what it took to stay in this league, assembled a team of people that has made shit decisions about transfers and made shocking errors. Then we had a manager in mark hughes who couldn't even be arsed with attending non-stoke matches anymore and left a squad of players woefully unfit. The players themselves have no pride in their performances and congratulate opponents on Twitter when they are thrashed. And then we have a new manager when faced with the easiest run of games we have had all season and probably on previous seasons manages to do worse than our former manager did. From top to bottom, all concerned at the club have let down the supporters. It isn't 'whinging like a bitch' to mention these things and being all these incompetent and very rich people to account. You and I live in Glasgow and maybe it is easier for us to forget how much the city needs premier league football. It provides a huge boost to everyone. It is being squandered by inexcusable incompetence and also a basic lack of care and attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:35:35 GMT
There is nothing anywhere to say he is injured. If he is fair enough. But how about some new ideas? Yes, we are struggling in attacking areas. We could have experimented more with Shaq playing in a free central role, with this midfield behind him that would be ideal. Maybe stick choupo and crouch up front together, push the full backs further up and just pile in crosses. I just thought he would come in and try things. We need to win games. Very very disappointing It’s been mentioned on here and in articles/interviews over the last week he has a calf injury..... He was injured a few weeks ago but seemingly returned to training. Stephen Ireland though was just a suggestion and merely pointing out the lack of ideas of the current manager |
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Post by caine on Mar 4, 2018 9:36:35 GMT
Shock horror some thick fans calling for his head already when he has enheritaed a shite squad. If anyone is to blame for this mess I can’t see why people don’t look any further than the board and recuriting team. They allowed us to sign players who aren’t deemed good enough and during the relegation run in are playing for the under 23s! I don’t get why we haven’t spent more money I really don’t. The net spend is laughable when you compare it other mid table clubs!
Lambert has made us look like a hard team to beat again, not his fault some players have cost us and bottled it! It isn’t pretty to watch and i do question his subs the last two games however I would of bitten your hand off if you said we would get a point away to Leicester. Southampton game was a must win let’s face it. We had two brilliant chances to score and again choupa bottled that one on one. There was never gonna be more than one goal yesterday in that game as both teams didn’t want to lose but they had a good spell second half so I think a point is deserved. I do worry now as City are class and we could be 5 points behind after that game so we are praying a couple of the teams around us lose. I really don’t know if we will get enough points now. That Adam miss and Butland blunder is gonna cost us big time, imagine if we were on 31 points now... if only....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:38:47 GMT
I don't particularly rate Ramadan for anything other than his graft Rob, so we will have to agree to disagree on that one. Jese I don't rate one bit. I think he and his ilk are the eptiome of an arrogant mid ranking club that ends up in the Championship. So we just have no creative options on the bench whatsoever. That’s a viable option when we desperately need to win games is it? Sobhi has had a disappointing season but he’s still scored a couple of important goals, it’s a World Cup season and, I can’t stress this enough, WE’RE DESPERATE. Do you really think Glen Johnson being on the bench is a better bet for us at this stage? I'm not saying that am I? Put him on the bench. Put him on the pitch All I'm saying is that I don't think it will make much difference. I think he's a grafter and not a lot more than what we already have. The overall point i'm making and will continue to make is that regardless of who the manager is at this specific moment, and regardless of his style of football, we would end up going the same way due to the failings at boardroom level. Lambert has given us a fighting chance by tightening up the side. I know we're desperate. We've been desperate IMO since the 3 goal hammering at home to West Ham in December. |
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Post by jeycov on Mar 4, 2018 9:38:51 GMT
I don't particularly rate Ramadan for anything other than his graft Rob, so we will have to agree to disagree on that one. Jese I don't rate one bit. I think he and his ilk are the eptiome of an arrogant mid ranking club that ends up in the Championship. So we just have no creative options on the bench whatsoever. That’s a viable option when we desperately need to win games is it? Sobhi has had a disappointing season but he’s still scored a couple of important goals, it’s a World Cup season and, I can’t stress this enough, WE’RE DESPERATE. Do you really think Glen Johnson being on the bench is a better bet for us at this stage? Not sure re the thinking regarding Johnson when we have Cameron in the team There is hardly time for Lambert to select the best 11 to get results but I would hope that Ramadan would feature in his plans Shaqiri won’t be here next season even if we survive so it could be a great chance for him |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:41:11 GMT
Lambert took over a disorganised unfit rabble and has moulded them into a side that is much harder to beat. We dont have a striker of note and that has been compounded by Dioufs injury.
With a bit of luck we'd be four points better off. We're still in with a chance of staying up and for me that remains at fifty fifty. However we have a chance and that is a sight better than if that idiot Hughes had remained in charge.
Lamberts doing alright.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 9:44:24 GMT
So we just have no creative options on the bench whatsoever. That’s a viable option when we desperately need to win games is it? Sobhi has had a disappointing season but he’s still scored a couple of important goals, it’s a World Cup season and, I can’t stress this enough, WE’RE DESPERATE. Do you really think Glen Johnson being on the bench is a better bet for us at this stage? I'm not saying that am I? Put him on the bench. Put him on the pitch All I'm saying is that I don't think it will make much difference. I think he's a grafter and not a lot more than what we already have. The overall point i'm making and will continue to make is that regardless of who the manager is at this specific moment, and regardless of his style of football, we would end up going the same way due to the failings at boardroom level. Lambert has given us a fighting chance by tightening up the side. I know we're desperate. We've been desperate IMO since the 3 goal hammering at home to West Ham in December. He deserves plenty of credit for tightening us up at the back. But we’re not going to draw our way to safety and blanket negativity is going to see us relegated just as surely. I’m not calling for us to be gung ho but he needs to give us the best chance of actually winning games, and he seems terrified of doing that. What’s the harm in having another winger on the bench? What’s the harm in Jese coming on yesterday instead of Diouf. I don’t accept that this side isn’t capable of creating anything, even with our woeful set of strikers. |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 9:46:09 GMT
There is nothing anywhere to say he is injured. If he is fair enough. But how about some new ideas? Yes, we are struggling in attacking areas. We could have experimented more with Shaq playing in a free central role, with this midfield behind him that would be ideal. Maybe stick choupo and crouch up front together, push the full backs further up and just pile in crosses. I just thought he would come in and try things. We need to win games. Very very disappointing It's easy to say that on here. Try this, try that. I've done it too. There's no guarantees it will work on the grass. Lambert has obviously come in to tighten things up a bit and it has worked. We are now going into away games with confidence that we can come away with a draw at least. Home games have been hit and miss thus far I agree. We all know from previous that when a manager tries to be tighter defensively it can impact the other side of the game. Is it a fair point to say the reason we got so many hammerings under Hughes was that he was opening up the side so much, to compensate for our lack of genuine attacking options to try and score more goals, in favour of tipping the attacking/defensive balance of the side towards taking too many defensive risks? I personally think so. The substitution yesterday was laughable in the way that Staffy and Pieters were occupying pretty much the same space. Lambert then hooked of Staffy to save face which can't have gone down too well with a player who had done nothing wrong and was there on merit. The behaviour of Diouf led him to getting injured in the first place and Shaq's on the field bollockings of anyone and everyone, whilst showing passion, can't have helped the confidence of players of lesser ability than him. All of this was supervised by Lambert (whether directly or indirectly) and hardly filled me with confidence in his ability to manage an effective team unit. We visibly shat ourselves in the second half, couldn't string a pass together, didn't trouble their goalkeeper and all against a team that cannot win a home game to save its life. If people think that's progress then good for them - the point that we clawed was welcome under the circumstances but given the nature of the opposition the manner in which we did it was no better or no worse than any of the performances we have seen under Hughes. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 4, 2018 9:50:17 GMT
Lambert is old school. just like Coates
A nice partnership for a mid table Championship team, at best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:50:19 GMT
Even if we'd somehow managed to score, we would have found someway to through the 3 points away. The players (Shaq aside) don't have the mental strength to handle the pressure we're under. That's the job Lambert was brought in to do. And that first sub yesterday was completely fucking bonkers.
If we stay up, he deserves to stay in the role but if we go down I wouldn't lose any sleep if he got the boot.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 9:50:25 GMT
I'm not saying that am I? Put him on the bench. Put him on the pitch All I'm saying is that I don't think it will make much difference. I think he's a grafter and not a lot more than what we already have. The overall point i'm making and will continue to make is that regardless of who the manager is at this specific moment, and regardless of his style of football, we would end up going the same way due to the failings at boardroom level. Lambert has given us a fighting chance by tightening up the side. I know we're desperate. We've been desperate IMO since the 3 goal hammering at home to West Ham in December. He deserves plenty of credit for tightening us up at the back. But we’re not going to draw our way to safety and blanket negativity is going to see us relegated just as surely. I’m not calling for us to be gung ho but he needs to give us the best chance of actually winning games, and he seems terrified of doing that. What’s the harm in having another winger on the bench? What’s the harm in Jese coming on yesterday instead of Diouf. I don’t accept that this side isn’t capable of creating anything, even with our woeful set of strikers. For all our faults we used to create chances and miss them. At one point we were the highest scorers in the bottom half of the league. Now, if you drew Lambert a map to where the goal was he'd still get lost. 10 at the back is not the way forward. |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 4, 2018 9:51:39 GMT
I'm hoping the 1st departures will be some the so-called supporters in this board that spend an inordinate amount of time slagging everything and everybody at the club like THEY have the answers.
If we don't make it,hope they piss off to infest someone's else's board.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2018 9:54:22 GMT
He deserves plenty of credit for tightening us up at the back. But we’re not going to draw our way to safety and blanket negativity is going to see us relegated just as surely. I’m not calling for us to be gung ho but he needs to give us the best chance of actually winning games, and he seems terrified of doing that. What’s the harm in having another winger on the bench? What’s the harm in Jese coming on yesterday instead of Diouf. I don’t accept that this side isn’t capable of creating anything, even with our woeful set of strikers. For all our faults we used to create chances and miss them. At one point we were the highest scorers in the bottom half of the league. Now, if you drew Lambert a map to where the goal was he'd still get lost. 10 at the back is not the way forward. Getting dry bummed by a desperately poor West Ham side wasn't the way forward either. Hughes left us needing miracles, its not really a surprise that Paul Lambert is not a miracle worker. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 9:54:35 GMT
I'm not saying that am I? Put him on the bench. Put him on the pitch All I'm saying is that I don't think it will make much difference. I think he's a grafter and not a lot more than what we already have. The overall point i'm making and will continue to make is that regardless of who the manager is at this specific moment, and regardless of his style of football, we would end up going the same way due to the failings at boardroom level. Lambert has given us a fighting chance by tightening up the side. I know we're desperate. We've been desperate IMO since the 3 goal hammering at home to West Ham in December. He deserves plenty of credit for tightening us up at the back. But we’re not going to draw our way to safety and blanket negativity is going to see us relegated just as surely. I’m not calling for us to be gung ho but he needs to give us the best chance of actually winning games, and he seems terrified of doing that. What’s the harm in having another winger on the bench? What’s the harm in Jese coming on yesterday instead of Diouf. I don’t accept that this side isn’t capable of creating anything, even with our woeful set of strikers. No harm in having another winger on the bench. I just see him as a like for like with what we have. You are an intelligent lad Rob, you know how difficult it is to turn a side that has been 'locked up' to stop a rot into one that can go the other way, especially with the dire options we have at the front end of the side. It's hard to do it at Conference level. With the way the board let this situation fester and develop we were always going to end up in this situation even if they spent big in January, which they didn't. They are 100% to blame. |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 9:55:02 GMT
I'm hoping the 1st departures will be some the so-called supporters in this board that spend an inordinate amount of time slagging everything and everybody at the club like THEY have the answers. If we don't make it,hope they piss off to infest someone's else's board. Its complacency that's got us to where we are - nothing to do with the supporters for fucks sake They will be bailing out in their thousands upon relegation and the people,that actually give a fuck will be left holding the baby |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 9:58:14 GMT
He just has to. He's a pretty awful manager and isn't what we need if we stay up or go down. Massive changes are needed top to bottom and they have to include Lambert. He always had to go at the end of the season. He's doing the job we needed though. |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 4, 2018 9:59:01 GMT
Not talking about supporters getting us into this.I'm referring to the constant negativity being handed down like its words from the Gods from the EA Sports experts.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Mar 4, 2018 9:59:47 GMT
People calling for Lambert to be sacked at the end of the season need to remember no one wanted the job when Hughes was sacked. What makes them think we can get any one better as a possible championship club.
He inherited a poor rabble of a squad which was nowhere near fit or organised at least he has tightened things up at the back. If anyone should go at the end of the season look no further than the board & owners who have allowed all this to happen criminal just criminal.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 4, 2018 10:00:46 GMT
Stoke have a better squad than Brighton,Huddersfield, west brom, newcastle,swansea at least. Lambert is under achieving with the players we have Defensively that may be the case. Apart from Shaqiri, who else is really that good? We don't even have a good striker. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 10:02:32 GMT
He deserves plenty of credit for tightening us up at the back. But we’re not going to draw our way to safety and blanket negativity is going to see us relegated just as surely. I’m not calling for us to be gung ho but he needs to give us the best chance of actually winning games, and he seems terrified of doing that. What’s the harm in having another winger on the bench? What’s the harm in Jese coming on yesterday instead of Diouf. I don’t accept that this side isn’t capable of creating anything, even with our woeful set of strikers. No harm in having another winger on the bench. I just see him as a like for like with what we have. You are an intelligent lad Rob, you know how difficult it is to turn a side that has been 'locked up' to stop a rot into one that can go the other way, especially with the dire options we have at the front end of the side. It's hard to do it at Conference level. With the way the board let this situation fester and develop we were always going to end up in this situation even if they spent big in January, which they didn't. They are 100% to blame. I don’t disagree with that mate, what I find bizarre is the notion that Lambert seemingly should be completely devoid of scrutiny or accountability for the games he’s currently in charge of. Mark Hughes didn’t make him put two left backs on yesterday. We are running out of games and we’ve completely blown our winnable run. Lambert didn’t get us into this mess, but he hasn’t really helped either. Great job sorting the defence out, needed doing. But surely to God we have to have to actually try and beat somebody? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 10:10:03 GMT
No harm in having another winger on the bench. I just see him as a like for like with what we have. You are an intelligent lad Rob, you know how difficult it is to turn a side that has been 'locked up' to stop a rot into one that can go the other way, especially with the dire options we have at the front end of the side. It's hard to do it at Conference level. With the way the board let this situation fester and develop we were always going to end up in this situation even if they spent big in January, which they didn't. They are 100% to blame. I don’t disagree with that mate, what I find bizarre is the notion that Lambert seemingly should be completely devoid of scrutiny or accountability for the games he’s currently in charge of. Mark Hughes didn’t make him put two left backs on yesterday. We are running out of games and we’ve completely blown our winnable run. Lambert didn’t get us into this mess, but he hasn’t really helped either. Great job sorting the defence out, needed doing. But surely to God we have to have to actually try and beat somebody? The one game out of 6 where I think Lambert under performed was Watford at home - where I said at the time his Plan A was to boot it long and his plan B was to use a bigger hammer (IIRC). Even then you look at the bench and think "Christ, he hasn't got a lot to use to change this has he?". The real nub of this argument is Shaqiri - for all of his good recent attacking form we are essentially lumping our entire survival on his shoulders. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 4, 2018 10:12:31 GMT
Typical Bayern.
He'd have wanted Waddington out after 5 minutes in charge.
He'd have wanted Macari out when we were in the bottom half of the table in 92/93.
He probably did call for Pulis's head when we were in the bottom 3 at Christmas 2008.
Bayern is never happy with anything. The manager's always shite, the players are always shite and with the most crucial 9 games this club has ever faced approaching us, he should do the right thing and just shut the fuck up for once rather than trying to spread his usual negativity.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 4, 2018 10:13:30 GMT
No harm in having another winger on the bench. I just see him as a like for like with what we have. You are an intelligent lad Rob, you know how difficult it is to turn a side that has been 'locked up' to stop a rot into one that can go the other way, especially with the dire options we have at the front end of the side. It's hard to do it at Conference level. With the way the board let this situation fester and develop we were always going to end up in this situation even if they spent big in January, which they didn't. They are 100% to blame. I don’t disagree with that mate, what I find bizarre is the notion that Lambert seemingly should be completely devoid of scrutiny or accountability for the games he’s currently in charge of. Mark Hughes didn’t make him put two left backs on yesterday. We are running out of games and we’ve completely blown our winnable run. Lambert didn’t get us into this mess, but he hasn’t really helped either. Great job sorting the defence out, needed doing. But surely to God we have to have to actually try and beat somebody? This. There's seems to be this bizarre notion that Lambert should be devoid of any criticism or scrutiny. I will back the guy until the end of he season and I understand the difficult scenario he has inherited. However, that should not mean his decisions cannot be questioned. I was at Southampton yesterday where the substitutions were negative and bizarre (plus the absence of Ramadan and Campbell from the squad entirely). I was also there at Bournemouth where Lambert cost us the game by making changes too late (and even then he opted to put a left back into central midfield). He may have made us tighter at the back but he has absolutely no attacking plan or pattern. It's just a case of hoping that someone does something special. Like I said, I will continue to back him until the summer (what choice do we have?) but the club needs to have a long, hard look at itself. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 10:14:36 GMT
I don’t disagree with that mate, what I find bizarre is the notion that Lambert seemingly should be completely devoid of scrutiny or accountability for the games he’s currently in charge of. Mark Hughes didn’t make him put two left backs on yesterday. We are running out of games and we’ve completely blown our winnable run. Lambert didn’t get us into this mess, but he hasn’t really helped either. Great job sorting the defence out, needed doing. But surely to God we have to have to actually try and beat somebody? The one game out of 6 where I think Lambert under performed was Watford at home - where I said at the time his Plan A was to boot it long and his plan B was to use a bigger hammer (IIRC). Even then you look at the bench and think "Christ, he hasn't got a lot to use to change this has he?". The real nub of this argument is Shaqiri - for all of his good recent attacking form we are essentially lumping our entire survival on his shoulders. Which is why he needs to stop denying himself options mate. Whatever you think of Jese and Sobhi they have the potential to change a game that Johnson and Fletcher don’t. That’s what I object to - the unnecessary self-limiting of our chances through his selections and subs. If he knew our squad so well, why is he at pains to restrict already meagre pickings? |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2018 10:25:31 GMT
No. It's called whining like a bitch. Partick, I see a board that totally lost sight of what it took to stay in this league, assembled a team of people that has made shit decisions about transfers and made shocking errors. Then we had a manager in mark hughes who couldn't even be arsed with attending non-stoke matches anymore and left a squad of players woefully unfit. The players themselves have no pride in their performances and congratulate opponents on Twitter when they are thrashed. And then we have a new manager when faced with the easiest run of games we have had all season and probably on previous seasons manages to do worse than our former manager did. From top to bottom, all concerned at the club have let down the supporters. It isn't 'whinging like a bitch' to mention these things and being all these incompetent and very rich people to account. You and I live in Glasgow and maybe it is easier for us to forget how much the city needs premier league football. It provides a huge boost to everyone. It is being squandered by inexcusable incompetence and also a basic lack of care and attention. The "whinging like a bitch" comment wasn't directed at you - but a certain other poster who definitely fits the bill. It was made against your post because you'd sort of excused the aforementioned contributor's gutless bleating, by describing his comments as criticism which, while true, is only a small part of the picture as far as he is concerned. Anyway, to your main point. We are in a pickle - no mistake. What we have to remember, IMO, is our presence in the Premier League is always precarious and precious. We can never take it for-granted. Building for the illusionary "next step" is very dangerous because it can mean we take our eye of the fundamentals we must always have in place. By "we" I mean the club and particularly the manager. By fundamental I mean defending. Hughes is largely culpable in that regard, no doubt. The management of the club, much less so. If anything they are guilty of over playing a strength - stability. Both Hughes and Pulis should have gone well before they departed. But that is history. What matters now is next week. Then the next. Then the next. Fight for everything - and that means the supporters as well as the players and management. We aren't down, but to hear some folk you'd think we effectively are. That sort of defeatist shit pisses me off. I've seen encouraging signs under Lambert - most significantly the defence is now performing. But we are entering a tough run of games that will test us as a team, club and as supporters. Let's hope we are all up to the task. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 10:38:57 GMT
He just has to. He's a pretty awful manager and isn't what we need if we stay up or go down. Massive changes are needed top to bottom and they have to include Lambert. He always had to go at the end of the season. He's doing the job we needed though. He did. And maybe. I still think winning only one of the games so far against winnable opponents will harm us. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 10:39:49 GMT
6 games where we needed to win at least 2 really. He's been poor. As we all know he was a penalty miss and a keeper howler from winning 3. And if my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. Totally irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 10:42:15 GMT
As we all know he was a penalty miss and a keeper howler from winning 3. And if my Brother had a fanny he'd be my sister. Totally irrelevant. Ah if only we had Man City's team we would win the league dam it. |
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Post by juiceandbits on Mar 4, 2018 10:42:23 GMT
For me Lambert's under review, and basically in a half-season job interview for the chance to get us back into the PL. We'll need to score a lot more in the Championship if we want to come back up. We're not even able to score two goals to win a game.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 4, 2018 10:43:13 GMT
He just has to. He's a pretty awful manager and isn't what we need if we stay up or go down. Massive changes are needed top to bottom and they have to include Lambert. Bayern. Piss off Another quality contribution by our resident intellectual. |
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