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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:16:38 GMT
The only positive is that we escaped with a clean sheet...which was more by luck than judgement. That was ultra shite and as bad as anything we've produced this season. What is luck you are talking about? It was a shit game granted but we thoroughly deserved a point. Our clean sheet was never in danger was it?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 31, 2018 23:16:38 GMT
Much of a muchness for me, same plan b same lack of any bite up front.
I like PL and I'm glad we have him but if we don't improve dramatically on that we're fucked.
And if he sticks with Fletcher we're fucked.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 31, 2018 23:18:21 GMT
Shit game,shit ref,but an improvement, only plus clean sheet.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 31, 2018 23:18:32 GMT
I honestly haven't seen a great deal of difference.....
The fact that we've managed to keep two clean sheets may also be down to the last two teams we've played.....oh, and "Bauer" it's been like a breath of fresh air having a proper class fullback on the right!!!
Bournemouth on Sat'day though may put us back to square one!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:20:36 GMT
Christ we are thankfull for small things are we not. It was fucking Watford at home??? We've lost 3 Home games this season against teams like Watford. Is a draw not a step in the right direction? Yes. We often lost this kind of game under Hughes. Clean sheet, solid defence, nothing dropped for us, you can't win all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:23:00 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed.
Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things.
We are woefully short up front though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:27:47 GMT
The only positive is that we escaped with a clean sheet...which was more by luck than judgement. That was ultra shite and as bad as anything we've produced this season. What is luck you are talking about? It was a shit game granted but we thoroughly deserved a point. Our clean sheet was never in danger was it? Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 31, 2018 23:28:29 GMT
I honestly haven't seen a great deal of difference..... The fact that we've managed to keep two clean sheets may also be down to the last two teams we've played.....oh, and "Bauer" it's been like a breath of fresh air having a proper class fullback on the right!!! Bournemouth on Sat'day though may put us back to square one!!! Why haven't we kept clean sheets since October? Stop spouting shit that doesn't stack up.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:29:27 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed. Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things. We are woefully short up front though. What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 31, 2018 23:29:40 GMT
What is luck you are talking about? It was a shit game granted but we thoroughly deserved a point. Our clean sheet was never in danger was it? Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight. I can't remember Butland making a save.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:30:47 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed. Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things. We are woefully short up front though. What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? Did we?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 31, 2018 23:31:04 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed. Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things. We are woefully short up front though. What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? Did we fuck. We looked a lot more solid at the back. Back to back clean sheets. First game in charge we covered more ground than any game under Hughes. Your criticism is null and void.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:32:24 GMT
What is luck you are talking about? It was a shit game granted but we thoroughly deserved a point. Our clean sheet was never in danger was it? Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight. Isn't that great defending rather than luck? Blind optimism is a bit of an overreaction don't you think? Funny I never thought they'd score. Didn't think we would either if I'm honest. We're in a relegation scrap for sure but some of the comments on here tonight are ridiculous.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:34:34 GMT
What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? Did we fuck. We looked a lot more solid at the back. Back to back clean sheets. First game in charge we covered more ground than any game under Hughes. Your criticism is null and void. Today was the 2nd game. The 1st game has been and gone. Tonight was utter dross. My mum went and she's come home saying how slow we are. 10 days intense training and the arses of Adam and Saido had expanded by a good 2 inches since last week. What about a total inability to offer any movement to help take a successful throw in down the left side of the pitch? Whose fault was that?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:36:45 GMT
Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight. Isn't that great defending rather than luck? Blind optimism is a bit of an overreaction don't you think? Funny I never thought they'd score. Didn't think we would either if I'm honest. We're in a relegation scrap for sure but some of the comments on here tonight are ridiculous. The comments I've read are about the game tonight...and the game I've watched is worthy of every bit of criticism I've read. It was dross and totally devoid of anything remotely resembling talent or intent.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 31, 2018 23:38:03 GMT
10 day break did us no favours..... Correct. Momentum lost. Too much time to think...
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Post by stokiekm on Jan 31, 2018 23:38:23 GMT
Christ we are thankfull for small things are we not. It was fucking Watford at home??? we should be thankful as the way we were going under Hughes would very likely have seen us lose against them. And Huddersfield..
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 31, 2018 23:39:54 GMT
We were dog shit. Clueless, no plan, nothing. We had at least 3 huge chances that should have been buried. Butland didn’t even have to make a save. If we could finish we would have been out of sight in that game mate, albeit yes while still being a bit shite. All I know is that if I’d watched that as a Watford fan I’d have been seriously embarrassed that my team were planning to play like that under a brand new manager. They were a disgrace.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 31, 2018 23:40:59 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed. Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things. We are woefully short up front though. What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? That just isn't true. It was a poor game, and our problems in midfield and up front were clear again. But the intensity was there, we are competing for every ball. That is something that wasn't happening under hughes. Two clean sheets on the trot is also a positive. We would have lost that game under hughes. Any manager coming in to a team in trouble has to focus on clean sheets in the first instance surely
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 31, 2018 23:41:59 GMT
I honestly haven't seen a great deal of difference..... The fact that we've managed to keep two clean sheets may also be down to the last two teams we've played.....oh, and "Bauer" it's been like a breath of fresh air having a proper class fullback on the right!!! Bournemouth on Sat'day though may put us back to square one!!! Why haven't we kept clean sheets since October? Stop spouting shit that doesn't stack up. I'll spout as much shit as I want thanks very much.... However, on this occasion, I'm doing nothing of the sort!!! In my opinion I don't see a great deal of difference in the way we play now, and the way we played under Hughes....apart from the fact that we've kept two clean sheets......but with the two teams we've recently played not really troubling us, that may have a part to play in it??? Only time will tell???
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:42:47 GMT
What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? That just isn't true. It was a poor game, and our problems in midfield and up front were clear again. But the intensity was there, we are competing for every ball. That is something that wasn't happening under hughes. Two clean sheets on the trot is also a positive. We would have lost that game under hughes. Any manager coming in to a team in trouble has to focus on clean sheets in the first instance surely I've already said that the clean sheet was the only positive. Beyond that it was utter shite.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 31, 2018 23:43:40 GMT
What is luck you are talking about? It was a shit game granted but we thoroughly deserved a point. Our clean sheet was never in danger was it? Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight. Please point me to a single save Butland had to make in the entire game? The block Shawcross made wasn’t even going to go in as Butland had guessed the right way and it was going slightly wide Other than that they were only in our box maybe twice, both coming to nothing. Performance wise I know which team should be happier, and they play in stripes. Watford were a disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:44:39 GMT
Isn't that great defending rather than luck? Blind optimism is a bit of an overreaction don't you think? Funny I never thought they'd score. Didn't think we would either if I'm honest. We're in a relegation scrap for sure but some of the comments on here tonight are ridiculous. The comments I've read are about the game tonight...and the game I've watched is worthy of every bit of criticism I've read. It was dross and totally devoid of anything remotely resembling talent or intent. I said when Lambert got the job I'd keep my powder dry and that remains the case. I didn't get carried away after Huddersfield and I won't get too critical about tonight. Yes it was poor but we had the better chances and Shaqiri really should have stuck that volley away. We lost the midfield battle and Cameron should really had been brought on for Fletcher who was awful. However it's a game I'm convinced we would have lost under Hughes. The next two games will give us a clearer picture of where we are and I'm sure the new lad will shore up the midfield. We move on
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 31, 2018 23:46:39 GMT
That just isn't true. It was a poor game, and our problems in midfield and up front were clear again. But the intensity was there, we are competing for every ball. That is something that wasn't happening under hughes. Two clean sheets on the trot is also a positive. We would have lost that game under hughes. Any manager coming in to a team in trouble has to focus on clean sheets in the first instance surely I've already said that the clean sheet was the only positive. Beyond that it was utter shite. It's not going to be pretty at any point. If we go to Bournemouth and grind out a clean sheet again then that would be great. Anything else is a huge bonus. Watfords best chances came from our own mistakes, which would be removed if Fletcher is taken out of the team.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:46:44 GMT
Really? I never felt we'd escape with a clean sheet. They always looked a threat and but for the magnificent shawcross and last ditch defending of pieters and Bauer we wouldn't have escaped. Blind optimism looks a bit misplaced tonight. Please point me to a single save Butland had to make in the entire game? The block Shawcross made wasn’t even going to go in as Butland had guessed the right way and it was going slightly wide Other than that they were only in our box maybe twice, both coming to nothing. Performance wise I know which team should be happier, and they play in stripes. Watford were a disgrace. He made a save 2nd half that he could barely get up from afterwards. We were lucky not to concede 1st half at the near post and we were lucky their final pass is as bad as ours after the 4 Fletcher errors in quick succession.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 31, 2018 23:47:03 GMT
There best creative source was Fletcher.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2018 23:48:12 GMT
The comments I've read are about the game tonight...and the game I've watched is worthy of every bit of criticism I've read. It was dross and totally devoid of anything remotely resembling talent or intent. I said when Lambert got the job I'd keep my powder dry and that remains the case. I didn't get carried away after Huddersfield and I won't get too critical about tonight. Yes it was poor but we had the better chances and Shaqiri really should have stuck that volley away. We lost the midfield battle and Cameron should really had been brought on for Fletcher who was awful. However it's a game I'm convinced we would have lost under Hughes. The next two games will give us a clearer picture of where we are and I'm sure the new lad will shore up the midfield. We move on Crouch's miss from the rebound was worse than Shaq's original miss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:49:58 GMT
Please point me to a single save Butland had to make in the entire game? The block Shawcross made wasn’t even going to go in as Butland had guessed the right way and it was going slightly wide Other than that they were only in our box maybe twice, both coming to nothing. Performance wise I know which team should be happier, and they play in stripes. Watford were a disgrace. He made a save 2nd half that he could barely get up from afterwards. We were lucky not to concede 1st half at the near post and we were lucky their final pass is as bad as ours after the 4 Fletcher errors in quick succession. Dave I'm sorry but luck never came into it. You are plain wrong. Say the game was shit fine, that cannot really be argued with but to keep on about luck is rubbish. We ground out a thoroughly deserved point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:51:30 GMT
Positive was the clean sheet. Now two in two games which is very much needed. Negative was the Plan A 'hammer' followed by the Plan B bigger hammer. Lambert should escape criticism for that though. He's had very little time to work on things. We are woefully short up front though. What about the fact that after 10 days of training we looked less fit and less mobile than ever. Does Lambert escape criticism for that as well? We said exactly the same after the game. I think the players looked knackered. Could be too much training too soon? Going from a couple of hours or so a day to twice a day training could have burnt them out, we looked flat.
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Post by turtlefox on Jan 31, 2018 23:52:03 GMT
It was like watching school boy football at times with so much head tennis and not much composure on the ball and our attacking looked primitive and tentative but saying that, a clean sheet with two on the bounce is an improvement. A point is a point in these tough times.
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