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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2018 14:18:09 GMT
Below is a self-explanatory email I have sent to Man Utd and Stoke city. My main purpose in posting it is to inform fellow Stokies about the restrictions at Old Trafford, since no-one else seems to be doing so !
Good afternoon
I write in advance of next Monday's game in connection with the the rules operated by Man Utd in respect of what is and what isn't allowed to be taken into the ground.
On the match tickets it states in very small print that purchase of the tickets is subject to the ground regulations and states that these can be viewed at
manutd.com/termsandconditions , which indeed they can
Those regulations list things which are prohibited but make no reference to the prohibition of bags or flasks. I had a problem with prohibition of my flask two seasons ago, and had correspondence with Man Utd afterwards about the fact that no notification of this appeared in the ground regulations and Stoke fans who had purchased tickets were not informed of this in advance.
Two seasons on, nothing has changed in this respect. Because I had become aware through the FSF that the practice at Old Trafford has become more severe in this regard, I searched the Man Utd website and found an FAQ section which does give a maximum size of 8" x 6" x "2 for permitted bags, which is quite small ( the relatively small bag which I take to games is bigger than this) and does indicate that flasks are not permitted.
However, very few Stoke fans will locate this information in advance. Those who do seek information by looking on their match ticket will find the link which gives incorrect information which is well out of date and hasn't been updated since my problem two seasons ago. As far as I can see, Stoke City have not provided any information about this on the club website, and have not included any information on this with the match tickets.
This is a very unsatisfactory situation, and unless advance publicity is given to Stoke fans about the uniquely severe restrictions at Old Trafford ( no other ground that I am aware of operates so severe a policy) I can forsee problems and arguments at the searching point.
I should also add that I cannot find on the Man Utd website any contact information for either the Supporters Liaison Officer or how to make a complaint.
Malcolm Clarke
FSF Chair and Supporter representative on the FA Council
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 10, 2018 14:40:12 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ?
He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small.
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Post by thegift on Jan 10, 2018 14:41:21 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ? He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small. Reckon all else fails could leave it on the coach? |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 10, 2018 15:01:06 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ? He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small. Reckon all else fails could leave it on the coach? Never thought of that  |
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Post by thegift on Jan 10, 2018 15:03:17 GMT
Reckon all else fails could leave it on the coach? Never thought of that Was only suggesting mate bloody hell. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2018 15:12:34 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ? He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small. I think the gift's advice is probably the simplest way of solving it. Man Utd do have a place for leaving bags which I had to use when I they stopped me taking the flask in, but it's quite a way on the other side of the ground from the away turnstiles and I had to join a queue of obviously foreign tourists who were leaving rucksacks etc. Glad I posted, otherwise your son would have been stopped at the search line, which would have been a pain ! |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 10, 2018 15:17:42 GMT
Never thought of that Was only suggesting mate bloody hell. I was being genuine mate not meant to come across sarky. |
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Post by thegift on Jan 10, 2018 15:19:20 GMT
Was only suggesting mate bloody hell. I was being genuine mate not meant to come across sarky. The it was the Emoji that made it look sarcy. no worries |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2018 15:56:51 GMT
I have heard back from Anthony Emmerson that our club plan to include this is in a piece on information for travelling supporters so hopefully the message will get out there - particularly about the bags since I think many fans could be caught by that
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Post by thegift on Jan 10, 2018 15:58:38 GMT
I have heard back from Anthony Emmerson that our club plan to include this is in a piece on information for travelling supporters so hopefully the message will get out there - particularly about the bags since I think many fans could be caught by that Good work Malcolm, this is truly unacceptable from a club like Manchester united. You would expect this type of thing from a conference team. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 10, 2018 20:37:44 GMT
I hope Waggy and Trevor are aware of this.
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Post by Gods on Jan 10, 2018 22:18:06 GMT
Sorry Malcolm, whenever you post on the topic of flasks I still chuckle at the time you and I were chatting at Craven Cottage and you inadvertently tipped the piping hot contents of your flask on to the shaven head of a thick set Stoke supporter on the seat in front of you, it was a tense moment as he swung round and I have to say had he not taken it in (reasonable) good humour I was happy to point you out as the culprit  |
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 10, 2018 22:51:29 GMT
I have heard back from Anthony Emmerson that our club plan to include this is in a piece on information for travelling supporters so hopefully the message will get out there - particularly about the bags since I think many fans could be caught by that Wondered about this a while ago I take my youngest lad occasionally now to games never taken him an away one yet, however he has to carry a bag containing his allergy emergency kit which includes epipens inhalers and bottles of anti histamine liquids like piriton syrup. Now too travel on planes I have to produce a letter from the hospital because the liquids are over the permitted take on these have to be brand new I then have to open them and drink from the bottle to prove it’s safe 🤦🏻♂️ Are we potentially moving towards something like this at big arenas if they dictate a non standard policy? I know it’s not completely the same but subjects like this get me wondering especially while still waiting for a new manager announcement |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2018 22:58:12 GMT
I have heard back from Anthony Emmerson that our club plan to include this is in a piece on information for travelling supporters so hopefully the message will get out there - particularly about the bags since I think many fans could be caught by that Wondered about this a while ago I take my youngest lad occasionally now to games never taken him an away one yet, however he has to carry a bag containing his allergy emergency kit which includes epipens inhalers and bottles of anti histamine liquids like piriton syrup. Now too travel on planes I have to produce a letter from the hospital because the liquids are over the permitted take on these have to be brand new I then have to open them and drink from the bottle to prove it’s safe 🤦🏻♂️ Are we potentially moving towards something like this at big arenas if they dictate a non standard policy? I know it’s not completely the same but subjects like this get me wondering especially while still waiting for a new manager announcement You raise an important point. The FSF caseworker has occasionally had to support fans who have had issues like this. I think that when you take him to his first away game it might be prudent to notify the home club in advance if they operate a strict policy. I'd be very happy to offer FSF advice/assistance when the time comes. From what you have said, I assume you haven't had any problems at Stoke ? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 10, 2018 23:00:56 GMT
Restrictions on bags?
Seems harsh that they’re punishing people for going with their missus.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 10, 2018 23:03:22 GMT
Sorry Malcolm, whenever you post on the topic of flasks I still chuckle at the time you and I were chatting at Craven Cottage and you inadvertently tipped the piping hot contents of your flask on to the shaven head of a thick set Stoke supporter on the seat in front of you, it was a tense moment as he swung round and I have to say had he not taken it in (reasonable) good humour I was happy to point you out as the culprit I'm resigned to never living that down, Godfrey - certainly not whilst you are around  My daughter thinks I shouldn't be licensed to have sole control of a flask containing a hot liquid  I was once described ( in the New Statesman of all places ! ) as a man of many parts, clumsily assembled  |
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 10, 2018 23:04:02 GMT
No longer about hooligans its about terrorists  |
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 10, 2018 23:06:02 GMT
No never had an issue when I’ve brought him always explained and been let in, but he hasn’t been since the security was upped due to the fact his brother gave up his season ticket and I pretty much refuse to go sit somewhere else with him😉 he’s thirteen it’s not like he likes me anyway😂. But I have wondered because he carries it in a small rucksack so it doesn’t stand out as something different and now by man United standards it’s not acceptable 🤷♂️
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 10, 2018 23:06:50 GMT
Restrictions on bags? Seems harsh that they’re punishing people for going with their missus. True but I never call your mum that too her face just the back of her head 😘😜 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 11, 2018 12:09:23 GMT
Now mentioned on the SCFC Official site link |
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Post by felonious on Jan 11, 2018 12:33:59 GMT
I was being genuine mate not meant to come across sarky. The it was the Emoji that made it look sarcy. no worries ...........  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 13:44:02 GMT
#allflasksmatter
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 11, 2018 13:47:50 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ? He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small. From the information now published on the Stoke club website, it seems they now have an additional "bag drop" which is not too far from the away turnstiles, so that's an alternative option to leaving it on the coach. I suppose it partly depends on how far away the coaches are parked ? ( as I live only about 3 miles away, I never use the coaches for OT). |
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 11, 2018 13:48:59 GMT
Our own government are more of a threat to the people of this country than a terrorist threat.Ask your local GP.We now have patients dying in the corridors of hospitals.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 11, 2018 13:50:03 GMT
Now mentioned on the SCFC Official site linkVery clear and to the point. I'm glad they've highlighted the small permitted bag size |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 11, 2018 13:53:57 GMT
So what will happen with my lad when we get to the stadium next Monday ? He goes to Uni in Sheffield but is back home this weekend, he's coming on the official coaches with me but is getting a train back to Sheffield from Manchester after the game, he'll have his weekend bag with him which certainly won't be that small. From the information now published on the Stoke club website, it seems they now have an additional "bag drop" which is not too far from the away turnstiles, so that's an alternative option to leaving it on the coach. I suppose it partly depends on how far away the coaches are parked ? ( as I live only about 3 miles away, I never use the coaches for OT). Thanks for the Heads up Malcolm, We'll see how far from the ground we are and go from there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 14:22:28 GMT
 and to the person who tried to get this in last year, give your head a wobble. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 14:32:24 GMT
and to the person who tried to get this in last year, give your head a wobble. Apologies. The joke was on me though, when I got back to collect it someone had half eaten my foie gras, and drank my bottle of 2012 Château La Gordonne. Bastards...... |
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Post by skip on Jan 11, 2018 14:34:14 GMT
I was being genuine mate not meant to come across sarky. The it was the Emoji that made it look sarcy. no worries At worst, emoji's beat text messages into a cocked hat for misinterpretation. As you were. |
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Post by Waggy on Jan 11, 2018 14:38:11 GMT
I hope Waggy and Trevor are aware of this. Yes i am aware, last season i was really angry after the Steward made me empty my bag infront of him and 2 others. |
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My daughter thinks I shouldn't be licensed to have sole control of a flask containing a hot liquid 
I was once described ( in the New Statesman of all places ! ) as a man of many parts, clumsily assembled 
