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Post by BristolMick on Dec 13, 2017 10:03:31 GMT
While I understand the fans' frustration, which I certainly share, at this point in time I refuse to continue to point my lat the blame on Hughes. Even a blind man can see that Hughes has completely lost the plot, that the team is a shambles, that we are extremely weak in all departments and that we are sleepwalking ourselves towards the championship. So in reality there is only one person to blame, that is the person who is pig-headedly insisting on keeping the clueless clown in charge. And that man is Peter Coates. At the end of the day the buck stops with him, not Hughes. I am sure that if Bet365 was being administered as catastrophically as The Stoke team is, he would have changed things long ago. But not with Stoke City FC. Why ? Coates is to blame, I agree, just as in the same way that Jonathan Woodgate wasn't to blame for playing poorly at full back, or Richard Cresswell and Jonathan Walters used to get picked every game no matter how out of form. It wasn't their fault they were being played out of position or when out of form it was the bloke who picked thems fault. So now it's ponderous Pete who is to blame for a situation that he's allowed to develop since January 2016. Just as he was to blame for the Pulis fall out by sticking too long with him he's now doing the same with Hughes. Perhaps he's too close to the managers to take an objective view and so takes longer to see what those of us on the outside looking in can see staring us in the face. It's a long time since we had a united fan base but we've more or less got one now! BM
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Post by stokemark on Dec 13, 2017 10:33:35 GMT
Money is only a part of the problem. Hughes has spent money on players that he doesn't use or aren't at the club! Hughes picks the team and tactics. Hughes chooses who to bring on and take off during a match, and when. Hughes does the post match interview and gives us his view of what he saw on the pitch, which is usually total bollocks. HUGHES is the biggest problem we have at the club. No money is THE problem. Or so it appears. Yes Hughes does all those things you highlight but it is Peter Coates apparently reverting to type which has a) partially caused Hughes crisis ie consitent lack of proper investment in the playing side b) his failure to get rid of Hughes in the summer because he's relatively cheap and prepared to put up with a lack of investment wheras a replacement (upgrade) wouldn't, or so you would think. If Peter Coates was prepared to spend money Hughes wouldn't be here now or if he was we'd be higher up the league. Hughes is taking all the shit, some of it fair enough, but Peter Coates could have sorted this ages ago and hasn't. That's fair enough, it's his money, but he's proper hanging Hughes out to dry and fucking up all his previous good work in the process. 100% - Hughes is simply a symptom of Coates wanting to do things on a very limited budget* *In Premier League terms
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 13, 2017 11:05:53 GMT
by all accounts over the summer Denise (the driving force behind 365) wanted to move forwards with the club and move hughes on and invest a significant sum in the squad this was vetoed by Peter & John for some unknown reason now we are seeing the results of this decision ut severis seges, as you sow, so shall you reap, coates needs a loud message on Saturday that he must change or step aside for a less blinkered old fool That's really quite funny.... John Coates attended Sandbach School and Ut Severis Seges is the school motto. sandbachschool.orgDon't even go down the road of how I know this....
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Post by flea79 on Dec 13, 2017 11:08:02 GMT
by all accounts over the summer Denise (the driving force behind 365) wanted to move forwards with the club and move hughes on and invest a significant sum in the squad this was vetoed by Peter & John for some unknown reason now we are seeing the results of this decision ut severis seges, as you sow, so shall you reap, coates needs a loud message on Saturday that he must change or step aside for a less blinkered old fool That's really quite funny.... John Coates attended Sandbach School and Ut Severis Seges is the school motto. sandbachschool.orgDon't even go down the road of how I know this.... I also attended Sandbach School, god it was terrible
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 13, 2017 19:53:00 GMT
That's really quite funny.... John Coates attended Sandbach School and Ut Severis Seges is the school motto. sandbachschool.orgDon't even go down the road of how I know this.... I also attended Sandbach School, god it was terrible Yep I hated every minute of it. John was a very polite and well mannered lad though, and I genuinely mean that. There were some complete tossers at that school, bullies, thugs, and people who were generally just unpleasant, John was never like that at all and was just polite to everyone.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 13, 2017 20:02:52 GMT
I also attended Sandbach School, god it was terrible Yep I hated every minute of it. John was a very polite and well mannered lad though, and I genuinely mean that. There were some complete tossers at that school, bullies, thugs, and people who were generally just unpleasant, John was never like that at all and was just polite to everyone. Chardenfreude? Is this John's way of finally taking his revenge on the school bullies?
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 13, 2017 20:08:59 GMT
Coates has added pressure to himself though by giving Hughes the dreaded vote of confidence for 2 games. Fans will now expect Hughes to be sacked if we lose on Saturday. If we get a result though it will be seen as how many more games do we give him. I hope the board are trying their damnest to get another appointment because can see no way back with the fans wether it be win, lose or draw.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 13, 2017 20:12:39 GMT
I also attended Sandbach School, god it was terrible Yep I hated every minute of it. John was a very polite and well mannered lad though, and I genuinely mean that. There were some complete tossers at that school, bullies, thugs, and people who were generally just unpleasant, John was never like that at all and was just polite to everyone. Aye John is a nice guy. It was the same during my time there full of knobheads and far too much testosterone I had a great time in the band though and got to travel the world
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 13, 2017 20:22:05 GMT
Yep I hated every minute of it. John was a very polite and well mannered lad though, and I genuinely mean that. There were some complete tossers at that school, bullies, thugs, and people who were generally just unpleasant, John was never like that at all and was just polite to everyone. Chardenfreude? Is this John's way of finally taking his revenge on the school bullies? Who knows...I don't recall him being bullied particularly, though there were so many bullies there it's almost inevitable...John was very well spoken, as indeed was I to a lesser degree, and there was a hard core of thugs in there who considered anyone well spoken to be 'posh snobs' and they got targeted. The teachers of course didn't give two hoots. I didn't really have much cause to speak to John in my time there as he was dead clever and was in all the top classes whereas I was thick and stupid by comparison so I was in the lower classes. Plus being sad I didn't have any friends, etc etc.
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Post by dexta on Dec 13, 2017 20:23:36 GMT
Never trusted coates never will
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Post by rrrrleek on Dec 13, 2017 20:26:07 GMT
for me its hughes. board only mistake was not sacking him sooner. hes gotta go now.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 13, 2017 20:27:24 GMT
I'm not sure that these Coates bashing posts shouldn't be finding their way to the shit bin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:30:10 GMT
While I understand the fans' frustration, which I certainly share, at this point in time I refuse to continue to point my lat the blame on Hughes. Even a blind man can see that Hughes has completely lost the plot, that the team is a shambles, that we are extremely weak in all departments and that we are sleepwalking ourselves towards the championship. So in reality there is only one person to blame, that is the person who is pig-headedly insisting on keeping the clueless clown in charge. And that man is Peter Coates. At the end of the day the buck stops with him, not Hughes. I am sure that if Bet365 was being administered as catastrophically as The Stoke team is, he would have changed things long ago. But not with Stoke City FC. Why ? 🎯👍👏
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:33:42 GMT
While I understand the fans' frustration, which I certainly share, at this point in time I refuse to continue to point my lat the blame on Hughes. Even a blind man can see that Hughes has completely lost the plot, that the team is a shambles, that we are extremely weak in all departments and that we are sleepwalking ourselves towards the championship. So in reality there is only one person to blame, that is the person who is pig-headedly insisting on keeping the clueless clown in charge. And that man is Peter Coates. At the end of the day the buck stops with him, not Hughes. I am sure that if Bet365 was being administered as catastrophically as The Stoke team is, he would have changed things long ago. But not with Stoke City FC. Why ? Coates is to blame, I agree, just as in the same way that Jonathan Woodgate wasn't to blame for playing poorly at full back, or Richard Cresswell and Jonathan Walters used to get picked every game no matter how out of form. It wasn't their fault they were being played out of position or when out of form it was the bloke who picked thems fault. So now it's ponderous Pete who is to blame for a situation that he's allowed to develop since January 2016. Just as he was to blame for the Pulis fall out by sticking too long with him he's now doing the same with Hughes. Perhaps he's too close to the managers to take an objective view and so takes longer to see what those of us on the outside looking in can see staring us in the face. It's a long time since we had a united fan base but we've more or less got one now! BM You're both right. A collective omnishambles from chairman, to budget, to recruitment, to tactics, to substitutions It's been a steady deterioration for two years and any overt or covert attempt to address the slide has clearly failed Something is rotten in the state of Denmark 😠
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Post by Silkystoke on Dec 13, 2017 20:38:48 GMT
Arnie to score the winner that gets Hughes the sack...!!!!!
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 13, 2017 20:41:26 GMT
The saying is that standing still is not good enough in the premiership. Chairman have to be wise but willing to move in the circles the climate dictates. Unfortunately Coates is tight with his money, yes he has paid out when required but he is in dangerous getting left behind with our ridiculous transfer policy. This has led us to feed off other clubs scraps, cast offs, injury lists and fall outs. We cannot compete for mediocre players like Redmond so how on earth are we going to keep up when a new manager demands better players
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Post by johnnypotter on Dec 13, 2017 20:52:27 GMT
It's a pity Denise has no interest in Stoke City, she seems the only one with brains in this whole sorry situation.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 13, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
None of you know what Peter Coates is thinking, or have a clue what goes on behind the scenes. To blame Peter Coates is ridiculous. Bringing Pulis back turned out to be a masterstroke, as did bringing Hughes in - for the first three years at least. And the investment that's gone into improving the club in the past few years is superb.
I still think Hughes has done enough in his time here to warrant more time, though I'm beginning to admit myself, that the way the game is these days - even with a very sensible chairman - his time looks to be running out. If it was 20 years ago nowhere near as many people would be talking about Hughes losing his job. If we can look as decent as we did last night in the next few games, while creating a few more clear cut chances, then Hughes has earned himself more time.
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Post by hanibal7 on Dec 14, 2017 4:30:41 GMT
by all accounts over the summer Denise (the driving force behind 365) wanted to move forwards with the club and move hughes on and invest a significant sum in the squad this was vetoed by Peter & John for some unknown reason now we are seeing the results of this decision ut severis seges, as you sow, so shall you reap, coates needs a loud message on Saturday that he must change or step aside for a less blinkered old fool What a load of bollocks He is only doing what many are doing.Making up stories without a shred of fact. It's called talking bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 5:12:12 GMT
Coates is an issue, as is investment.
But our squad should not be where it is right now. Hughes has loaned out those who would be useful and his system and players are not fitting well. Even without investment we should be far higher in the table, and that is solely Hughes' fault.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 14, 2017 5:19:20 GMT
It's a pity Denise has no interest in Stoke City, she seems the only one with brains in this whole sorry situation. Well there's some food for thought
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Post by pottermouth on Dec 14, 2017 6:25:56 GMT
None of you know what Peter Coates is thinking, or have a clue what goes on behind the scenes. To blame Peter Coates is ridiculous. Bringing Pulis back turned out to be a masterstroke, as did bringing Hughes in - for the first three years at least. And the investment that's gone into improving the club in the past few years is superb. I still think Hughes has done enough in his time here to warrant more time, though I'm beginning to admit myself, that the way the game is these days - even with a very sensible chairman - his time looks to be running out. If it was 20 years ago nowhere near as many people would be talking about Hughes losing his job. If we can look as decent as we did last night in the next few games, while creating a few more clear cut chances, then Hughes has earned himself more time. ‘And the investment that's gone into improving the club in the past few years is superb’. That is so untrue. It’s the lack of investment over the last couple of years that’s resulted in the decline. Compared to all other Premier League clubs we are way behind. Even Bournemouth have invested more heavily on players. Yes Hughes has made some poor decisions re what money he’s had, but he’s been operating with a very low budget in Premier League terms. No one has come up with a viable alternative to Hughes the fans could unite behind.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 14, 2017 8:24:51 GMT
None of you know what Peter Coates is thinking, or have a clue what goes on behind the scenes. To blame Peter Coates is ridiculous. Bringing Pulis back turned out to be a masterstroke, as did bringing Hughes in - for the first three years at least. And the investment that's gone into improving the club in the past few years is superb. I still think Hughes has done enough in his time here to warrant more time, though I'm beginning to admit myself, that the way the game is these days - even with a very sensible chairman - his time looks to be running out. If it was 20 years ago nowhere near as many people would be talking about Hughes losing his job. If we can look as decent as we did last night in the next few games, while creating a few more clear cut chances, then Hughes has earned himself more time. There is a clear section on this MB that have taken to mindlessly savaging the owners. Part of it is understandable frustration, sadly a part seems to be just nasty, ungrateful and simple minded. The worst part is that some have a clear to all enjoyment at abusing and denigrating. What a society we live in. Just stick around and wait for a moment, one will soon pop up.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 14, 2017 8:41:09 GMT
Just maybe, Mr Coates is trying to show so balls and support his manager? That is probably to toughest decision to make, standing by his man through all of this turmoil. We all assume that he has lost the plot and is dithering.
Nobody is to 'blame' for the way things have gone, in my view we have just come to the end of the chapter.
We are in a better position that most clubs who have had to let their manager go around Christmas, but without doubt it is clear now that a change is needed.
The other thing I would say is that I am convinced that Mr Coates will stick with the tried and tested, and we might just see him asking his old mate to keep us in the division. And I doubt he would be too bothered if we lost a few thousand on the gate to achieve that, the Sky money is much bigger and he (they) are business people.
Just (one) of my thoughts!!
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 14, 2017 8:43:28 GMT
Just maybe, Mr Coates is trying to show so balls and support his manager? That is probably to toughest decision to make, standing by his man through all of this turmoil. We all assume that he has lost the plot and is dithering. Nobody is to 'blame' for the way things have gone, in my view we have just come to the end of the chapter. We are in a better position that most clubs who have had to let their manager go around Christmas, but without doubt it is clear now that a change is needed. The other thing I would say is that I am convinced that Mr Coates will stick with the tried and tested, and we might just see him asking his old mate to keep us in the division. And I doubt he would be too bothered if we lost a few thousand on the gate to achieve that, the Sky money is much bigger and he (they) are business people. Just (one) of my thoughts!! Distinct possibility.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 14, 2017 8:43:52 GMT
Arnie to score the winner that gets Hughes the sack...!!!!! Nailed on Arnie will have some influence on this game. The only question is how will he handle it? Will he be dancing around rubbing our noses in it or will he show some class? Which I very much doubt.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 14, 2017 8:48:12 GMT
Take a look at the team Shawcross chronic bad back needs to look after himself. Shaqiri and Butland will want to move on. Good luck to them. Wimmer been a bench player Jese sick baby Sobhi newly married, 5 years contract. Good wage. He content Players past their best. Inexperienced players. Pieters fed up of losing ever week. Earn mega bucks elsewhere eg China. We have to get loud and appreciate our team. To get them wanting to turn up for us. Absolute bollocks. The fans should not have to turn up and appreciate the team for them to then "want to turn up for us"... They are the ones getting paid to perform, (and how much they are getting paid is irrelevant), we are the ones paying for a performance. If you went to the theatre to watch a play, would you expect to turn up and have all the actors refuse to perform until you all applauded them? A performance should come first at this point...
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Post by pyrus on Dec 14, 2017 9:10:27 GMT
We do like to blame people on here. If something goes wrong, we treat it as a crime. Where there's a crime there must therefore be a criminal ...and all criminals need to be punished.
I take the view that everyone is actually trying to do a good job. The players go into every game with the intention of winning. The manager works all week to put the team and the tactics together to win. The owner has only the best interests of the club at heart.
But every now and then they get it wrong and sometimes things that were working no longer work and sometimes people are not able to add value to the mix. I think the chairman is on record saying that the club needs to be self-sustaining and so, as painful and as problematic as it is, he is trying to make that happen. Hughes believes that the way to play football is with a back three and I assume he still believes that. It isn't working right now and we may need to shake things up in terms of management and tactics. But I do not, for a moment, doubt the good intentions of any of the people at the club - least of all Peter Coates.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 14, 2017 9:19:01 GMT
Absolute bollocks. The fans should not have to turn up and appreciate the team for them to then "want to turn up for us"... They are the ones getting paid to perform, (and how much they are getting paid is irrelevant), we are the ones paying for a performance. If you went to the theatre to watch a play, would you expect to turn up and have all the actors refuse to perform until you all applauded them? A performance should come first at this point... You are right but players move on . we to keep our PL status need to give most of our puppets a helping hand. And are replaced by more players who are again payed to perform. It's been many many years since I idolised Stoke players as being amazing and people to look up to. Now I couldn't really give a fuck who plays for Stoke as long as they do their job and work hard when they are supposed to. I will not cheer and applaud a bunch of people who should be doing their job but aren't, just so it may encourage them to maybe try a bit harder and do their jobs a little bit better like they should have been doing in the first place. It's just embarrassing to do so...
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Post by bandit on Dec 14, 2017 10:33:20 GMT
Coates is an issue, as is investment. But our squad should not be where it is right now. Hughes has loaned out those who would be useful and his system and players are not fitting well. Even without investment we should be far higher in the table, and that is solely Hughes' fault. There is a load of bollocking being spouted on this thread as there is a vast difference of opinions on the subject of blame, but to say the players who have been loaned out would be any better is nonsense as nearly all of them can't even hold a regular place down at the clubs they have been farmed out to, also the rest are out injured. At the start of the season most were excited at the new arrivals but my view is it is coming more clear Berahino was not a Hughes signing and most likely Wimmer also but I do think we have yet to replace Arne who is the only one we are clearly missing. And to blame Coates for this is nonsense when there is lesser clubs who are doing better with less spend but all Stokies have to blame somebody other than it is a collective thing fans as well as becoming a little to complacent in this league as success is a very rare thing to happen to a club our size.
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