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Post by thelad99 on Dec 10, 2017 8:50:25 GMT
Anyone else feel really sorry for the poor lad. He's been hung out to dry by Hughes and I imagine his confidence has taken a tumble. We are desperate for a full back/wing back and this shows the sheer stupidity of the board. Why didn't we sign a full back in the summer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 8:54:57 GMT
He’s been chucked in v Man City and spurs. Talk about throwing him in at the deep end. In both games he’s not been allowed to gain any confidence at all. Yesterday like Man City he looked lost in headlights. I really don’t want to slate a young lad starting out but he was woeful. Son made him look like somebody had won a raffle to play for his club. The lad needs easing in gently, protect his career, build up his confifence, not throw him into the lions den and watch him get ripped.
HUGHES OUT
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Dec 10, 2017 8:55:05 GMT
Mark Hughes on Thomas Edwards:
"Tom is a young player we have got a lot of trust in. I wouldn't have put him in if I didn't think he could handle it. He's been unfortunate again because the games I've picked him in have been Man City and Spurs away."
In other words 'He's been unfortunate because he's got a daft manager who keeps picking him in matches he shouldn't play in.'
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 9:01:20 GMT
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He's a professional footballer who should be desperate to make an impact. He's weak, he doesn't track or spot runners off the back of him and he's been heavily involved in every goal the team has conceded whilst he's been on the pitch.
It's a harsh truth but right now he's a million miles away from being good enough.
Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level.
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 10, 2017 9:05:21 GMT
Nowadays, there are some seriously high-quality, confident kids about? Edwards has been thrown in at the deep end, but he's been very poor.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 10, 2017 9:05:42 GMT
He kept showing Son the line and didnt get close to him at all. He was never close to stopping a cross coming in.
But yeah he had zero support from Shaqiri and hes been thrown to the lions by Hughes in the 2 games he has played.
He should be learning the ropes in much easier games than those 2.
I actually think it is a ploy by Hughes to highlight we dont have a RB and he wasnt given funds. Using Edwards as a scapegoat is rather cowardly.
Im sure he will be dropped again by Hughes now just to re-appear when we go to Old Trafford
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 10, 2017 9:06:08 GMT
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He's a professional footballer who should be desperate to make an impact. He's weak, he doesn't track or spot runners off the back of him and he's been heavily involved in every goal the team has conceded whilst he's been on the pitch. It's a harsh truth but right now he's a million miles away from being good enough. Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level. Thats utter bollocks.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 10, 2017 9:09:13 GMT
Should do him the world of good. It’s a tough old business and the sooner that realisation dawns on a player the better. If he has the right character to make it he will dust himself down work hard and eventually be good enough to compete at this level - he looks like he’s got the basics to do that. How many players start like a rocket only to fizzle away when the going gets tough. This way is probably better.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 9:11:26 GMT
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He's a professional footballer who should be desperate to make an impact. He's weak, he doesn't track or spot runners off the back of him and he's been heavily involved in every goal the team has conceded whilst he's been on the pitch. It's a harsh truth but right now he's a million miles away from being good enough. Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level. Thats utter bollocks. Look at them again. Nowhere near son on the first and failed to stop the cross again. Ran off the back of him for the 2nd and 4th and he was nowhere near stopping yet another cross for the third having already made a ridiculous attempt to play out to Shaqiri. They targeted him and he was totally out of his depth and incapable of doing the basics right. Only wimmer was worse than him on the day.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Dec 10, 2017 9:14:07 GMT
Should do him the world of good. It’s a tough old business and the sooner that realisation dawns on a player the better. If he has the right character to make it he will dust himself down work hard and eventually be good enough to compete at this level - he looks like he’s got the basics to do that. How many players start like a rocket only to fizzle away when the going gets tough. This way is probably better. It probably will do him a load of good long term. But it doesn't do us any good right now.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 10, 2017 9:16:38 GMT
Look at them again. Nowhere near son on the first and failed to stop the cross again. Ran off the back of him for the 2nd and 4th and he was nowhere near stopping yet another cross for the third having already made a ridiculous attempt to play out to Shaqiri. They targeted him and he was totally out of his depth and incapable of doing the basics right. Only wimmer was worse than him on the day. Players get crosses in it happens, saying it was down to him is rubbish, Zouma had all the space he wanted and couldn't make a simple interception.
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Post by lichfieldboy on Dec 10, 2017 9:24:53 GMT
I'd be surprised if anyone who's watched Tom in the 23's thinks he's ready for the Prem, Hughes is making the point that they need a RB. I imagine they took the view that they were going to get nothing from either the City or Spurs games and took the opportunity to give the lad a taste of what it's like and put him in the shop window, I think he's done enough to get himself a decent loan at a good level, maybe even Championship.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 10, 2017 9:41:13 GMT
He's not up to it yet and neither is Tymon, forget them for a while!
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Post by wuzza on Dec 10, 2017 9:46:12 GMT
Should do him the world of good. It’s a tough old business and the sooner that realisation dawns on a player the better. If he has the right character to make it he will dust himself down work hard and eventually be good enough to compete at this level - he looks like he’s got the basics to do that. How many players start like a rocket only to fizzle away when the going gets tough. This way is probably better. It probably will do him a load of good long term. But it doesn't do us any good right now. It doesn’t - it also shows that widespread calls for Hughes to play the likes of him, N’Goy etc etc are very wide of the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 9:48:55 GMT
He’s been chucked in v Man City and spurs. Talk about throwing him in at the deep end. In both games he’s not been allowed to gain any confidence at all. Yesterday like Man City he looked lost in headlights. I really don’t want to slate a young lad starting out but he was woeful. Son made him look like somebody had won a raffle to play for his club. The lad needs easing in gently, protect his career, build up his confifence, not throw him into the lions den and watch him get ripped. HUGHES OUT Less deep end and more thrown to the lions! 😬
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2017 9:51:09 GMT
No. He should want to test himself against the best. He will have learnt a hell of a lot as well. Hopefully he'll carry on improving and make the position his own.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2017 9:56:02 GMT
If Hughes is still in charge,I bet he doesn`t put him on against Burnley,who don't score many.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 10, 2017 9:58:31 GMT
Anyone else feel really sorry for the poor lad. He's been hung out to dry by Hughes and I imagine his confidence has taken a tumble. We are desperate for a full back/wing back and this shows the sheer stupidity of the board. Why didn't we sign a full back in the summer? Yes. I hope he's made of stern stuff and realises that none of this is his fault and there's a bright future for him, sadly probably at a different club now. What he's been chucked into is the stuff that can effectively finish careers before they start.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 10, 2017 9:59:19 GMT
No. He should want to test himself against the best. He will have learnt a hell of a lot as well. Hopefully he'll carry on improving and make the position his own. Yesterday wasn't testing himself against the best. That's something quite different to yesterday.
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Post by liam007 on Dec 10, 2017 10:03:46 GMT
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He's a professional footballer who should be desperate to make an impact. He's weak, he doesn't track or spot runners off the back of him and he's been heavily involved in every goal the team has conceded whilst he's been on the pitch. It's a harsh truth but right now he's a million miles away from being good enough. Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level. Thats utter bollocks. DJ...the lad who played professional football....tool of the highest order.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Dec 10, 2017 10:06:59 GMT
Look at Rashford, he's an example to Edwards. He didn't complain when he got chucked in the lions den against the mighty midgetland did he. Fuck off Hughes
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 10, 2017 10:08:55 GMT
He’s been chucked in v Man City and spurs. Talk about throwing him in at the deep end. In both games he’s not been allowed to gain any confidence at all. Yesterday like Man City he looked lost in headlights. I really don’t want to slate a young lad starting out but he was woeful. Son made him look like somebody had won a raffle to play for his club. The lad needs easing in gently, protect his career, build up his confifence, not throw him into the lions den and watch him get ripped. HUGHES OUT Terrible decision to use him against such quality.
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Post by RAF on Dec 10, 2017 10:29:41 GMT
Surely this game shows all the arm chair FIFA players clamouring for him and Tymon to play haven't the first fucking clue. That said neither has Hughes.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 10, 2017 10:46:53 GMT
I'm pleased he was played because it will help him to learn much faster and I think he has a chance of making it at our level despite the mistakes he's made. Yesterday he was at fault for a lot of the goals but we would have lost anyway with someone else in.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Dec 10, 2017 10:59:36 GMT
Admittedly he has been thrown in at the deep end but we might have expected to see him bust a gut and get a few tackles in like Wilko used to do. He looked as disinterested as the rest of them. If he's the best the Academy can throw up, then we've got serious problems there as well
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 10, 2017 11:39:20 GMT
Picking Edwards for yesterday's game was either bad management or a point being made. It was obviously a strange decision and I and, no doubt, many others said so on here before the game started. Given that the only other time was Man City away it certainly seems that Hughes is making a point. Tymon and Edwards are not currently up to the standard required but if they are going to be I'm not of the opinion that showing them up ( in Edwards case it's been very publicly - twice ) is a good way to develop a young player. It would be interesting to know what's happening behind the scenes, 'cause whatever it is, we are all over the place on the pitch this season.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 10, 2017 11:51:12 GMT
Picking Edwards for yesterday's game was either bad management or a point being made. It was obviously a strange decision and I and, no doubt, many others said so on here before the game started. Given that the only other time was Man City away it certainly seems that Hughes is making a point. Tymon and Edwards are not currently up to the standard required but if they are going to be I'm not of the opinion that showing them up ( in Edwards case it's been very publicly - twice ) is a good way to develop a young player. It would be interesting to know what's happening behind the scenes, 'cause whatever it is, we are all over the place on the pitch this season. The decision to play him stinks to high heaven to me. As I've said on the 'Hughes resigned' thread, it's something that twat Pulis would have done to make a point. Not good! OS.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2017 11:55:01 GMT
I want to see more of Edwards. Hopefully the new manager will give him some games.
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Post by RAF on Dec 10, 2017 12:01:39 GMT
I want to see more of Edwards. Hopefully the new manager will give him some games. But not against decent teams? Yeah? H
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:04:09 GMT
Practically everyone on the forum has been crying out for a fb with pace and for young players to be given a chance.
As soon as a player with those characteristics gets a game, everyone and his dog falls on top of each other saying he's not goo enough and what a fool the manager is for playing a youth...
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