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Jese.
Dec 6, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
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Post by parsonage1955 on Dec 6, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
If there's still two years on his contract we should at least get what he's worth (although l'd obviously want to keep him). We were fleeced over Beggers and N'Zonzi because they had both run their contracts down to the last 12 months.
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Dec 6, 2017 17:28:05 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 6, 2017 17:28:05 GMT
If there's still two years on his contract we should at least get what he's worth (although l'd obviously want to keep him). We were fleeced over Beggers and N'Zonzi because they had both run their contracts down to the last 12 months. Yes but do you take a special player for a couple of seasons or a few quid that might well end up getting wasted?
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Dec 6, 2017 17:28:56 GMT
Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2017 17:28:56 GMT
It wasn't a case of hanging his hat on dzeko...He was convinced he'd successfully convinced him to join us and was assisted in the process by the influence of his good friend asmir begovic. The powers that bd couldnt reach agreement with man city or the player himself and he went to Roma. Judging by your posts you seem to believe absolutely everything you read in the papers. RVP Interestingly I've just been listening to how klopp wanted to sign benteke whilst manager at Dortmund only to discard him immediately when he actually got to manage him at Liverpool. Seems it's not only Hughes who can sign or attempt to sign a player thinking one thing only to realise something totally different once the player gets through the door. Without going round in even more circles, I think we can all agree that we've spent big money badly with pretty much every 10m+ signing having serious question marks against them, including Shaqiri. So you think the numerous reports linking us with a move for Robin Van Persie were just pulled randomly from someone's arse out of thin air? It's a very strange thing to make up out of the blue. That rumour was probably started by GeneralFaye
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Dec 6, 2017 17:32:26 GMT
Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2017 17:32:26 GMT
If there's still two years on his contract we should at least get what he's worth (although l'd obviously want to keep him). We were fleeced over Beggers and N'Zonzi because they had both run their contracts down to the last 12 months. Which player are you talking about
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 6, 2017 17:38:53 GMT
So you think the numerous reports linking us with a move for Robin Van Persie were just pulled randomly from someone's arse out of thin air? It's a very strange thing to make up out of the blue. That rumour was probably started by GeneralFayeThat's one name that actually hasn't crept out of my arse. Darren Bent however, back on the radar.
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Dec 6, 2017 17:42:57 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 6, 2017 17:42:57 GMT
If there's still two years on his contract we should at least get what he's worth (although l'd obviously want to keep him). We were fleeced over Beggers and N'Zonzi because they had both run their contracts down to the last 12 months. Which player are you talking about Well I answered on the basis he meant Shaq. Jonno was still questioning whether him and Joe were good buys. Personally although I'm often not Joe's biggest fan I think they both look like very good deals done by the club and manager. I don't mind moaning my tits off about a lot of things but credit where its due if sold they would go a long way towards counter balancing a lot of the shit business we have done. We must be looking at almost total loss on Imbula now he can't even impress in France where he was originally successful. As Johan would say "He's a real sheet guy".
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Dec 6, 2017 18:34:53 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2017 18:34:53 GMT
I think when something comes from a wide range of different sources, the manager refuses to deny it and sources close to the player release info you can probably assume there’s no smoke without fire. Or different news sources regurgitate the same information over and over again. Again, it would be a strange thing to fabricate and strange for a manager to not flatly denied it when directly asked about it. Even if you discount that one, to go for Bony and Berahino in the same window seems odd as they're not remotely the same kind of striker.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:03:41 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2017 19:03:41 GMT
Or different news sources regurgitate the same information over and over again. Again, it would be a strange thing to fabricate and strange for a manager to not flatly denied it when directly asked about it. Even if you discount that one, to go for Bony and Berahino in the same window seems odd as they're not remotely the same kind of striker. When has our manager flatly denied or admitted anything? Are we saying that every transfer rumour in the press has some truth then? Wouldn't it be strange to make up any bullshit transfer rumour on that basis? My guess is that Hughes doesn't really care what type of striker he ends up with so long as his best asset is to score goals. That seems to apply to diouf, berahino and bony. All had previous when it came to scoring a good number of goals.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2017 19:46:03 GMT
Again, it would be a strange thing to fabricate and strange for a manager to not flatly denied it when directly asked about it. Even if you discount that one, to go for Bony and Berahino in the same window seems odd as they're not remotely the same kind of striker. When has our manager flatly denied or admitted anything? Are we saying that every transfer rumour in the press has some truth then? Wouldn't it be strange to make up any bullshit transfer rumour on that basis? My guess is that Hughes doesn't really care what type of striker he ends up with so long as his best asset is to score goals. That seems to apply to diouf, berahino and bony. All had previous when it came to scoring a good number of goals. Hughes has frequently flatly denied or rubbished links and the club has admitted interest in players too. Hughes denied our interest in Charlie Taylor. Bowen admitted we wanted Nani. Of course not every rumour has truth to it but when it’s reported at different times in different publications throughout the summer in a fair bit of detail you’re going to give that more credence than a throwaway Terry Henfleet job. You tend to get a sense after decades of transfer tittle tattle which stories have some substance to them and which don’t. If Hughes just looks at a player’s goalscoring record and that’s enough for him then that’s very worrying. That again sounds Pulis-esque.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:55:18 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2017 19:55:18 GMT
When has our manager flatly denied or admitted anything? Are we saying that every transfer rumour in the press has some truth then? Wouldn't it be strange to make up any bullshit transfer rumour on that basis? My guess is that Hughes doesn't really care what type of striker he ends up with so long as his best asset is to score goals. That seems to apply to diouf, berahino and bony. All had previous when it came to scoring a good number of goals. Hughes has frequently flatly denied or rubbished links and the club has admitted interest in players too. Hughes denied our interest in Charlie Taylor. Bowen admitted we wanted Nani. Of course not every rumour has truth to it but when it’s reported at different times in different publications throughout the summer in a fair bit of detail you’re going to give that more credence than a throwaway Terry Henfleet job. You tend to get a sense after decades of transfer tittle tattle which stories have some substance to them and which don’t. If Hughes just looks at a player’s goalscoring record and that’s enough for him then that’s very worrying. That again sounds Pulis-esque. I'll run all transfer rumours by your eagle eye in future then so I can be sure what is true and what isn't. Surely an ability to supply a good volume of goals is a strikers key attribute. Get one that guarantees goals and you build your team around them.
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Post by alster on Dec 6, 2017 19:58:07 GMT
Again, it would be a strange thing to fabricate and strange for a manager to not flatly denied it when directly asked about it. Even if you discount that one, to go for Bony and Berahino in the same window seems odd as they're not remotely the same kind of striker. When has our manager flatly denied or admitted anything? Are we saying that every transfer rumour in the press has some truth then? Wouldn't it be strange to make up any bullshit transfer rumour on that basis? My guess is that Hughes doesn't really care what type of striker he ends up with so long as his best asset is to score goals. That seems to apply to diouf, berahino and bony. All had previous when it came to scoring a good number of goals. That goes a long way to explaining his lack of success with them. Just buy someone who's scored goals elsewhere and put a shirt on his back and he should score goals for me. About a million quid a year to formulate a recruitment policy a 12 year old would think his little Sister had dreamt up.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:59:39 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2017 19:59:39 GMT
When has our manager flatly denied or admitted anything? Are we saying that every transfer rumour in the press has some truth then? Wouldn't it be strange to make up any bullshit transfer rumour on that basis? My guess is that Hughes doesn't really care what type of striker he ends up with so long as his best asset is to score goals. That seems to apply to diouf, berahino and bony. All had previous when it came to scoring a good number of goals. That goes a long way to explaining his lack of success with them. Just buy someone who's scored goals elsewhere and put a shirt on his back and he should score goals for me. About a million quid a year to formulate a recruitment policy a 12 year old would think his little Sister had dreamt up. What would you look for in a striker then?
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Dec 6, 2017 20:16:51 GMT
Post by superheroantonius on Dec 6, 2017 20:16:51 GMT
That goes a long way to explaining his lack of success with them. Just buy someone who's scored goals elsewhere and put a shirt on his back and he should score goals for me. About a million quid a year to formulate a recruitment policy a 12 year old would think his little Sister had dreamt up. What would you look for in a striker then? Well as cover for diouf / diouf replacement/ diouf upgrade... I would go for someone quick and strong , lots of energy , good team player And as cover for crouchy/ crouchy replacement/ crouchy upgrade ... someone experienced, consistently in the goals , strong in the air , good hold up play etc
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2017 20:32:59 GMT
What would you look for in a striker then? Well as cover for diouf / diouf replacement/ diouf upgrade... I would go for someone quick and strong , lots of energy , good team player And as cover for crouchy/ crouchy replacement/ crouchy upgrade ... someone experienced, consistently in the goals , strong in the air , good hold up play etc Slimani. Or Benteke, who we should have gone for in the first place. Of course, we wouldn't get him now, but that type of player. Then a quick wide player to hit teams on the break and supply the striker. Actually the quick wide player is probably more important than the striker!
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Post by alster on Dec 6, 2017 21:02:37 GMT
That goes a long way to explaining his lack of success with them. Just buy someone who's scored goals elsewhere and put a shirt on his back and he should score goals for me. About a million quid a year to formulate a recruitment policy a 12 year old would think his little Sister had dreamt up. What would you look for in a striker then? Personally pace and strength.
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Dec 6, 2017 21:12:25 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2017 21:12:25 GMT
What would you look for in a striker then? Personally pace and strength. Diouf then?
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Dec 6, 2017 21:13:24 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2017 21:13:24 GMT
What would you look for in a striker then? Personally pace and strength. Bang on. As much as I like Crouch, it was embarrassing watching him running after a ball he had zero chance of getting, against Liverpool. I'm 49, and I swear I am still quicker than him. And my legs have gone!
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Dec 6, 2017 21:14:07 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2017 21:14:07 GMT
Personally pace and strength. Diouf then? He's a wing back......
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Dec 6, 2017 21:16:39 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2017 21:16:39 GMT
Or different news sources regurgitate the same information over and over again. Again, it would be a strange thing to fabricate and strange for a manager to not flatly denied it when directly asked about it. Even if you discount that one, to go for Bony and Berahino in the same window seems odd as they're not remotely the same kind of striker. They are similar that both were unfit then they got fit then Hughes dropped them both, go figure how his mind works
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2017 21:16:58 GMT
Oh yeah. I forgot about that
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2017 21:17:39 GMT
Oh yeah. I forgot about that I wish Les would.
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Dec 6, 2017 22:32:21 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2017 22:32:21 GMT
intersting point , can you offer some guidance as to how would we know whether he was working or on a vacation as our PR , Transfer Policy , ability to convert clayton wood visits to signings , Match day experience , match day receipts , corporate standards , are woeful whether he is working or on holiday , the only clue's being he is normally on holiday in the transfer window , and jets back or in certain cases to the USA for the signing photo holding the pen The bloke deserves a statue. He'd be more fucking use and a lot less damaging if he was a statue
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Dec 7, 2017 3:29:51 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 7, 2017 3:29:51 GMT
Mr Scholes is on a working vacation right now, your lack of respect for our great CEO is astonishing. intersting point , can you offer some guidance as to how would we know whether he was working or on a vacation as our PR , Transfer Policy , ability to convert clayton wood visits to signings , Match day experience , match day receipts , corporate standards , are woeful whether he is working or on holiday , the only clue's being he is normally on holiday in the transfer window , and jets back or in certain cases to the USA for the signing photo holding the pen Holiday not vacation.
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Dec 7, 2017 8:32:39 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 7, 2017 8:32:39 GMT
Personally pace and strength. Diouf then? Someone with similar attributes who could actually play football would be amazing.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 7, 2017 9:56:56 GMT
And after that change he walked off to the changing rooms gesturing to someone in the crowd . It's not the action of a team player is It? I didn’t realise that mate and like you say it certainly isn’t something a team player would do. He looked like he was going on the stage at the Royal Ballet last Wednesday when he came on yes that did it for me with him , you have to be a strong group in this league always room for a maverick who delivers like we had with Ric but when they dont can be a liability and drag the place down .
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Post by adi on Dec 7, 2017 10:34:43 GMT
Another Hughes signing that seemingly hasn't worked out. Either a) Hughes hasn't got the best out of him b) Hughes has made another poor signing You can see at Swansea what happens when recruitment gets increasingly poor and players aren't replaced (Williams, Sigurdsson, Joe Allen for starters) And clubs make savings, £34 million in their case. No wonder they are struggling. Imagine us having, and losing Llorente and Sigurdsson? We'd be fucked, like them. You are right about the signings, too. We aren't improving the quality of the squad at present. That’ll be us if we lost shaqiri and say Allen or even diouf.
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Dec 7, 2017 10:36:53 GMT
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Post by adi on Dec 7, 2017 10:36:53 GMT
I don't think Hughes dare risk a maverick talent like Jese given the brown stuff we're in. It's not as if he didn't know what we were bringing in. It's a shame for both parties. That's his problem he daren't risk anything. That's why we've become so poor to watch and win so few games. He's become a safety first merchant. And yet we’ve let in a shit load of goals! It’s not great at either end, although I’d say the midfield hasn’t helped matters at either end.
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Dec 7, 2017 10:59:01 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 7, 2017 10:59:01 GMT
That's his problem he daren't risk anything. That's why we've become so poor to watch and win so few games. He's become a safety first merchant. And yet we’ve let in a shit load of goals! It’s not great at either end, although I’d say the midfield hasn’t helped matters at either end. Yes we've let in a lot of goals but not due to over committing and not getting bodies behind the ball just by players having the attention span of goldfish. I'm not a fan of every time you ship goals getting more and more players behind the ball. We've reached a pretty low ebb in that regard even the wide left attacking players have been more defence than attack orientated for about 6 games now there's very little left to sacrifice. Players are complacent about making mistakes because they continue to be picked regardless. What is the point of bringing in young players like Tymon if you simply refuse to play them. If you make costly mistakes in a number of games in a short space of time, you should be dropped if only for a game to give you a wake up call. The midfield certainly isn't helping but he keeps playing Fletcher who is offering very little and doesn't look like he's got the legs for the job being asked of him. Despite the fact we've scored a reasonable number of goals there is still no consistency of selection or cohesion in our forward play. Its all very bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 11:55:47 GMT
If you look at the squad deeply, it's poor to say the least. A right cock up in my view! I cannot believe we've come to this. We had a springboard to compete, at least in some games with the top clubs. I know we got points agains the Arse and the shit, but, the way we're playing just lately, we wouldn't stand a chance. I just hope when this next transfer window opens, that we bring quality with pace in, not injury prone, take a chance on me players!
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Dec 7, 2017 13:08:39 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Dec 7, 2017 13:08:39 GMT
I opened this thread to read the latest on Jese, - silly me. FYI: sportwitness.co.uk/clubs-desperate-need-money-means-stoke-loanee-sold-end-june/Judging by comments above we don't want him on the cheap anyway. It strikes me that since we joined the Prem the club buys one striker after another (I've lost count) till we strike lucky. The question is who can we get who will be a 15+ goals striker? Answer: ___________________ Exactly, there isn't anybody. Same as there isn't a better manager than Hughes available and it's no good saying "There must be" or "Anybody".
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