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Post by Naughtyfarty on Nov 28, 2017 22:11:56 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously
Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted?
We have 13 points.
Coates is happy
At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation
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Post by Dr Hesham on Nov 28, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
No there are many teams that are worse than Stoke.
Stoke has a good team, good players but poorly managed.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 28, 2017 22:13:18 GMT
Wow, what an original thread.
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Post by skip on Nov 28, 2017 22:13:32 GMT
We can, but we might not.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Nov 28, 2017 22:21:13 GMT
Clever pants Dave the Rave, its a passionate thread, and im deeply worried
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Nov 28, 2017 22:25:38 GMT
How can we dress your opinion however we want?
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 28, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
Clever pants Dave the Rave, its a passionate thread, and im deeply worried Have a word with benji, he'll put your mind at rest.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Nov 28, 2017 22:26:55 GMT
Dr H, really?
just lost to bottom placed team?
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Post by Jimm on Nov 28, 2017 22:29:01 GMT
Our Keeper is injured - we don't have wing backs - we have no physical presence in the middle and zero creativity - no pace - too many defensive errors and no defensive shape or structure - a manager that's unable to adapt - only knows how to use 1 of our strikers which continues to sit on the bench, even though they keep giving him a contract extension - spent over 30 million on trying to replace Nzonzi and failing - sells our star player and fails to replace him - no game changers on the bench - no young guns knocking on the door to come through - proven time and time again he can't be trusted with money and a chairman that seemingly can't see what's going on....
Great times ahead
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Nov 28, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
Red and white so u are not concerned?
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Post by Dr Hesham on Nov 28, 2017 22:33:21 GMT
Dr H, really? just lost to bottom placed team? If we are comparing between players of each team, Stoke city has good players and can be ranked in top 10 teams in this comparison. If we are comparing between teams overall, Stoke city will be ranked from 11th to 16th. I am not an old fan for the team, Just saying what I see after watching all games for Stoke and some other games in the premier league here and there.
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Post by samba :) on Nov 28, 2017 22:43:59 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive
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Post by Boothen on Nov 28, 2017 22:49:44 GMT
No there are many teams that are worse than Stoke. Yes there are, and we've already lost to three of 'em this season. And therein lies the problem.
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Post by MooG on Nov 28, 2017 22:50:58 GMT
If we manage to keep up our point a game average we'll stay up.
The only thing that worries me a bit is that when I try to reassure myself by think about the teams that are worse than us, we've somehow managed to lose to a fair number of them.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 28, 2017 22:51:16 GMT
TP's last season 2012-13 was an exception as we stood on 29 points at the end of Dec having beaten Liverpool 3-1 and an exciting 3-3 draw with Southampton. Everybody had great expectation of a possible 55-60 point finish and Europa Cup qualification. That’s where it ended though as we manage only 3 more wins and some horrible defeats in that second half of the season. We finished on 42 points and TP left.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 28, 2017 22:52:55 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive We'll be fine.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Nov 28, 2017 22:57:06 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive But to kid yourself into thinking that we will definitely survive is exactly what's wrong with our club right now Mark Hughes is so sure of himself, the same old "we'll be alright once we start cutting out mistakes" ... No, no we won't. Cause the team is set up completely wrong and we're Fucking shit ! We've been shit all year, not even close to double figures of wins in the calendar year are we?! There are some shit teams in the league, arguably shitter than us, but ALL of those teams have done something about it and have fucked off management teams. We've been standing still for to long, shit scared of the unknown of what might happen if we change the manager. I bet my left bollock if we changed we would immediately see a huge upturn in results, simply because anyone can see the players we have, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, suit or fit into the system Hughes is attempting to play I also genuinely believe Hughes is SO stubborn, that he simply cannot abort this fantasy wing back system to save face. He would initially look a complete bell end if he tore up his system and went back to a 442 or 4411 to the players. But the simple truth is, as much as we want to give Shaqiri this free role, we can't afford to right now. We HAVE to go back to a flat 442 with wingers. Choupo left. Shaqiri right. One holding midfielder. One offensive minded midfielder. Crouch up top. Diouf next to him. Or Jese just behind. Everyone knows their position, everyone knows the system. Sorry for rambling on, but I swear to god, continue with this abortion of a system, we are going down. Mark my words
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Post by Dr Hesham on Nov 28, 2017 22:59:07 GMT
No there are many teams that are worse than Stoke. Yes there are, and we've already lost to three of 'em this season. And therein lies the problem. Stoke also won against Arsenal, Southhampton and Watford while these teams cant. and therein lies the problem Stoke will not join top 10 teams but will not relegate.
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 28, 2017 23:06:54 GMT
Surviving in the PL for teams outside the top 6 is always a hard task. I think to survive a club has to be run professionally from the top down, which I think Stoke is, and to never become complacent or underestimate the opposition.
There are bound to be difficult periods as there is now, for those attending games the team needs their support more than ever, to turn against the team during games at this point risks bringing about the outcome some people on this board fear.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Nov 28, 2017 23:28:33 GMT
I think we have enough to stay up just about, we will go down at some point in the not so distant future I would imagine. If the owners would like to appoint a new manager in the summer who could really get our team organised and with some fresh ideas and positivity then we may have something to shout about before that time comes.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 28, 2017 23:38:06 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation
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Post by march4 on Nov 28, 2017 23:41:27 GMT
This all depends on whether we continue to deteriorate as we have over the past 18 months.
If we can struggle to safety then Hughes can be jettisoned in May. I guess this would be Peter Coates preferred option.
The problem is if the decline continues. Will we still be better than 3 other clubs, especially if Big Sam rescues Everton and TP performs his usual miracle on Swansea?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 0:14:02 GMT
We have the players.... for a standard 4-4-2 formation, as Volvic Potter said:
Butland / Grant
Pieters (but a get a replacement please), Shawcross, Zouma, Martins Indi / Cameron
Choupo-Moting, Fletcher, Allen, Shaqiri
Berahino, Crouch
If Berahino and Crouch actually played a few games together there may be a few surprises. Maybe not, but maybe.....
It's like the Australian team playing Wing-Backs. We just didn't have the right personnel or quality. OK, we qualified in the end, but I fear some beltings in that tournament if we stick with it. Unlikely now, with the coach leaving though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 0:16:50 GMT
Surviving in the PL for teams outside the top 6 is always a hard task. I think to survive a club has to be run professionally from the top down, which I think Stoke is, and to never become complacent or underestimate the opposition. There are bound to be difficult periods as there is now, for those attending games the team needs their support more than ever, to turn against the team during games at this point risks bringing about the outcome some people on this board fear. If the team is relegated it won’t be the fans’ fault Geoff, just as it wasn’t down to them that we finished 9th.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 29, 2017 0:36:53 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive We're also completely wank and leaking goals, it isn't as clear cut as you're suggesting
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Post by j3st3r on Nov 29, 2017 2:59:41 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive I do think we will survive... just... But I’m pretty damn sure that fans of everyone of those clubs are having the exact same conversation about their own clubs survival... and listing Stoke in the sub 40 point bracket.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2017 3:13:55 GMT
A couple a years ago we were in the top half of the table, and pushing a possible place in Europe. Now we are looking over our shoulders trying to decide who is worse than us and will be survive. How and where did it all go so wrong?
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Post by djduncanjames on Nov 29, 2017 3:27:12 GMT
No there are many teams that are worse than Stoke. Yes there are, and we've already lost to three of 'em this season. And therein lies the problem. We also took points from Man utd and Arsenal tho, and beat Watford away, I reminded myself we got the better of Jose once again this season, whilst they thrashed Watford away...
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2017 3:31:45 GMT
Yes there are, and we've already lost to three of 'em this season. And therein lies the problem. We also took points from Man utd and Arsenal tho, and beat Watford away, I reminded myself we got the better of Jose once again this season, whilst they thrashed Watford away... I was thinking about that as well. We have 13 points so far of which four points (against the Arse and the Shit) came where we could have reasonably expected to get nothing. This means we only earned 9 points out a maximum of 33 points in games where we could reasonably expected to get an average of 2 points a game (win at home, draw away). It's funny old game, init?
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Post by duckling on Nov 29, 2017 4:51:00 GMT
I watched the West Brom game against Newcastle today. Newcastle came from 2-0 down at 55 minutes to draw 2-2. What's more, after they scored 2 they didn't seem content with a draw; they played to win. It looked like they were going to win except that they lacked the quality to finish chances.
I watched the Huddersfield game against Man City over the weekend. After Huddersfield went down 1-2, they didn't say, fuck that we never expected to win anyway. Instead they continued to defend with their lives and try to score from a counter. The crowd was fantastic too as you would expect from a club in its debut season.
Newcastle and Huddersfield will both be in the battle for survival. That kind of grit and tenacity can make all the difference in a sport where the margins are often small.
I wouldn't bet on Stoke surviving over them because the players capitulate so easily.
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