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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2008 19:40:16 GMT
dont wanna offend anyone but anyone watching this on bbc1
ok i accept that some people are too sick to work, my late father broke his back window cleaning and had to give up work
but a 19 year old single mother who has never worked has a bit of post natal depression gets incapacity benefit - absolute bollocks
some fuckers just dont want to work and will try everything not to.
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Post by Cityfullergoals on May 19, 2008 19:44:54 GMT
Nail on the head Salopstick
Them that know the system cream it m8
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Post by TheDee51 on May 19, 2008 19:47:11 GMT
you don't want to offend anyone. Fuck that, offend all of the lazy, tax dodging, money grabbing, dole dossing useless low life's. PURE SCUM. Post natal depression my feckin arse !!!  |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 19, 2008 19:50:06 GMT
Meanwhile on Channel 4 the christian fundamentalists................
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2008 19:52:10 GMT
well i dont know other peoples circumstances.
just pisses me off, me and the wife both work, child care costs me a fortune, plus the cost of living is goiing up. and we spend billions on benefits that SOME NOT ALL are fiddling.
this cunt now whos just out of jail for burglaries moaning that he is too sick to go for work, but he is medically fit for work.
i do think its unfair they are highlighting merthy though
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Post by serpico on May 19, 2008 20:32:09 GMT
Meanwhile on Channel 4 the christian fundamentalists................ what was that ? i missed it, sounds good  |
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Post by Gods on May 19, 2008 21:16:28 GMT
There are circa 2.7 million people on incapacity benefit in this country.
It replaces unemployment benefit for people who have little intention of working again.
There are a small number of genuine claimants but for the most part if you hassle your Doctor often enough he/she will sign you off for a quiet life as much as anything. The consequence is you get a bit more dosh from the State than you would on unemployment benefit.
Incapacity benefit has suited this Labour government well since it enables them to pretend the unemployment figures have improved during their tenure whereas in truth there are 4x more people on incapacity benefit that there were 20 years ago and these are people who would previously have been claiming unemployment benefit.
In short its an insult to hard working people everywhere and a national disgrace.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 19, 2008 21:36:45 GMT
Benefit has to be there for those who need it...the problem is that it is so, so easy to work the system with just a bit of knowledge that you could "earn" yourself quite a decent living through knowing what to write on the forms. The disability living allowance system is even more laughable than incapacity benefit. It makes me quite ill to think how many people are claiming that who shouldn't be. Actually, I feel so queasy that I mught put a claim in myself. Once it's been awarded to me, no fucker will ever check it again. Bonus.  |
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Post by dadofsam on May 20, 2008 15:48:40 GMT
How much do you get on the incapacity?
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Post by Funky on May 20, 2008 16:06:28 GMT
How much do you get on the incapacity? £292 per month |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 20, 2008 17:49:18 GMT
Meanwhile on Channel 4 the christian fundamentalists................ what was that ? i missed it, sounds good It was about some christian ermm fundamentalists (British) saying people should be virgins until marraige, not gay, building mosques is evil, lobbying Lords in the House of Lords (Tebbit mainly ;D) to vote against errr things.......oh and one of them had a BNP badge on, the christians not the Lords!  It was shit! |
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Post by dadofsam on May 21, 2008 7:37:44 GMT
you're not going to have much fun on £292 a month - do you get other benefits on top? What do they all add up to do you reckon.
Life on the social might not be as comfortable as we think.
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 8:03:31 GMT
well its quite easy to get £700 a month housing benefit. more than enough to rent something very nice
plus other benefits, the wife probably gets income support with a nice little carer's allowance on top.
add to that the occassional cash in hand job and life is quite comfortable.
over a million people must think its ok
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Post by Sammz on May 21, 2008 8:42:35 GMT
Properly ill or disabled people should quite rightly be able to obtain the help they need to maintain a decent standard of living.
The rest of the lazy twats should get a job doing whatever they can or starve.
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Post by Funky on May 21, 2008 9:26:03 GMT
well its quite easy to get £700 a month housing benefit. more than enough to rent something very nice plus other benefits, the wife probably gets income support with a nice little carer's allowance on top. add to that the occassional cash in hand job and life is quite comfortable. over a million people must think its ok I think you're in dream world. |
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Post by BrenSCFC on May 21, 2008 12:47:25 GMT
Why do you think salopstick is in a dream world bread ?.. Dont you believe him.. I know people on the "incapacity" with caravans in the drive and new 4x4 to pull em paid by us dickheads who work and keep them.
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Post by Funky on May 21, 2008 12:58:12 GMT
Why do you think salopstick is in a dream world bread ?.. Dont you believe him.. I know people on the "incapacity" with caravans in the drive and new 4x4 to pull em paid by us dickheads who work and keep them. From my own experience of recovering from a heart bypass, got incapacity benefit but couldn't get help with anything else, couldn't even get help with my prescriptions that were costing £60 per month. |
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 13:13:42 GMT
Why do you think salopstick is in a dream world bread ?.. Dont you believe him.. I know people on the "incapacity" with caravans in the drive and new 4x4 to pull em paid by us dickheads who work and keep them. here is an example, my sister is married to a lad who takes home roughly 1200 monthly. due to medical issues concerning her and her two kids she recieves incapacity and carers allowance to the tune of £200 weekly. if she gets that and her husband works what would she get if he didnt. people on benefits also pay reduced council tax. some of us would indeed be better off |
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 13:16:46 GMT
Why do you think salopstick is in a dream world bread ?.. Dont you believe him.. I know people on the "incapacity" with caravans in the drive and new 4x4 to pull em paid by us dickheads who work and keep them. From my own experience of recovering from a heart bypass, got incapacity benefit but couldn't get help with anything else, couldn't even get help with my prescriptions that were costing £60 per month. sorry about fella but it appears to me that you are probably been a working man all your life, when youve nbeen in the benefits system all your life like some shown on the program they know every trick in book, know every benefit they are entitled to. when someone needs the system once in there life to help them we dont know enough to put in our entitlements and the dss dont do enough to help you find out |
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Post by Fred Zeppelin on May 21, 2008 13:18:34 GMT
Are you saying that your sister is a scrounger?  |
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 13:33:50 GMT
yes i fucking am
i love her dearly but she is 25, 2nd marriage, two kids never had a job. imho the benefits state is there to help you when your down not support you all your life. we disagrree all the time but she knows the system inside in.
she has a bad back!!! her two children have poor eyesight 60%vision and are classed as disabled. her husband is in RAF and SAAFA the forces charity have just bought them a brand new citreon c4 pepole carrier.
she had pre emclampsia with her first child (first husband) whch nearly killed her and was told not to have more children as it could kill her, i can understand her wanting a child with her second husband and after 3 miscarriages they got one. they are now trying for a third. this child will definatly inherit the bad eye gene. i find her situation disgusting
yes she severly pisses me off
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Post by Fred Zeppelin on May 21, 2008 13:39:50 GMT
Why don't you have her put down?  |
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Post by craig67 on May 21, 2008 13:49:52 GMT
Salop,I have to agree with you.
Wife's brother use's the system as well.Him and his wife are both capable of working but don't.They have 2 kids 1 is fine and 1 has a mild (and I mean,mild)learning disability.
They get their rent paid,discount on council tax,income support,and carer's allowance for their eldest and DLA for her as well.Even though all she ever does is play in her room.
It pee's you off when you go down and he's talking about going on the internet and going off for a holiday;when myself and the wife are thinking of getting rid of the internet and going camping this year.
I'm all for helping those that are temporarily out of work or genuinely can't work;but him and his wife haven't worked for 14/15 years but with no come back.
Aaaarrrggghhh!
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Post by Funky on May 21, 2008 14:37:15 GMT
From my own experience of recovering from a heart bypass, got incapacity benefit but couldn't get help with anything else, couldn't even get help with my prescriptions that were costing £60 per month. sorry about fella but it appears to me that you are probably been a working man all your life, when youve nbeen in the benefits system all your life like some shown on the program they know every trick in book, know every benefit they are entitled to. when someone needs the system once in there life to help them we dont know enough to put in our entitlements and the dss dont do enough to help you find out Started working since I left school in 89, started on a YTS and worked ever since (never claimed a penny), had a heart bypass last year and got made redundant a few months after due to the company being taken over. It's not that easy to claim as you might think, you are better off being homeless with no job, they will then get you a house and give you money, If you have a mortgage to pay they aren't interested. |
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 14:39:15 GMT
thats what i mean mate, when your in the system its easy
when you are not in the system but need help its difficult
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Post by mermaidsal on May 21, 2008 14:47:40 GMT
Thankfully I don't have to rely on benefits but if I was trying to live on them with my level of disability and two kids we'd be right on the breadline or below. Imho we should have higher benefits for those that really need them and better support to get people back into work when they've got a disability or illness that means they can work, employment discrimination against disabled and chronic sick can be Victorian sometimes and that's one reason for the dependency culture. It also becomes an end in itself, a lot of people really do lose the confidence to get out there and try and believe me that can easily happen.
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Post by myleftboot on May 21, 2008 15:11:10 GMT
The problem lies with the way the job centre prtray this as well. I had an operation on my eye a few years ago and because of this lost a certain degree of sight (got it back now thankfully) and had to give up my job.
Now during this time I was fit to work but the company had to lay me off for that particular job. After going to the job centre to claim Jobseekers allowance and get another job I was told by a member of staff in Newcastle Jobcentre that (and I qoute) "People with your type of disability don't usually claim jobseekers but go on incapacity and look for a job that way so it would be better for you to do that".
I went ballistic, for one I was just in between jobs short term and was capable of working and for the second incapacity should be for people who are just that, unable to work for what ever reason due to their disability or circumstances.
So instead of encouraging people into work certain elements of the DWP are actually promoting the incapacity benefit which I personally consider to be wrong.
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2008 18:10:01 GMT
i think the program higlighted 4 people all from merthyr
1. a 19 year old girl single mother claiming incapacity for post natal depression
2. a quite old (50ish) couple who had been on incapacity for 20 years who wanted to come off to set an example for their 1 year old son, amazingly they found jobs
3. a 55 year old man who hADNT WORKED FOR OVER 20 YEARS WHO HAD no intention of starting now.
4. a coulpe 40ish the bloke had just come out of nick for burglary and was tring to claim, he got fooked off
they interviewed the local gp who admitted being a soft touch.
the government are trying to address this but the programme highlighted how some people are using this as an excuse not to work,
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Post by myleftboot on May 22, 2008 11:02:57 GMT
Thats my point Salop. It is too easily offered and promoted to those that do not need to be on that benefit. I am aware that across the country there are people who genuinely need to claim incapacity and don't have an issue with that.
Was interesting to read what the conservatives were planning to do. Turn the whole thing on it's head and instead of putting down what you cannot do putting down what you can do.
I can however see where the concerns of genuine claimants are coming from but to me it would be the basic ground work to sniffing out the bogus claimants and getting them off it.
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