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Post by essexstokey on Apr 9, 2024 19:07:56 GMT
How many bye bye elections do we now have and when
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 9, 2024 19:44:13 GMT
And they're going after carers? 🙄
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 9, 2024 20:12:26 GMT
Wragg has fallen on on his Johnson
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Post by henry on Apr 9, 2024 20:16:20 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Apr 9, 2024 22:11:56 GMT
How weak is Richy Sunk? Willy ‘ the phone book’ Wragg has to sack himself because Sunk is too weak to. The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it? Are they worried about who else maybe implicated? Rats in a sack as even the Torygraph acknowledge Infighting Orchestrated by Bozo followers it seems and others looking to their future How the whip wasn't immediately withdrawn from Vice Chairman of 1922 Committee Wragg is inextricable given the hoo-ha over the Security of MPs during the Gaza Vote and Rishi made a big deal regarding MPs being targeted due to Rwanda Bill www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/06/1922-committee-rishi-sunak-backbenchers-conservatives/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 9, 2024 22:27:59 GMT
The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it? Are they worried about who else maybe implicated? Rats in a sack as even the Torygraph acknowledge Infighting Orchestrated by Bozo followers it seems and others looking to their future How the whip wasn't immediately withdrawn from Vice Chairman of 1922 Committee Wragg is inextricable given the hoo-ha over the Security of MPs during the Gaza Vote and Rishi made a big deal regarding MPs being targeted due to Rwanda Bill www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/06/1922-committee-rishi-sunak-backbenchers-conservatives/
Another MP told The Telegraph: “They no longer represent the parliamentary party. It has become a thank you club for Rishi. They are just his stooges.” The MP claimed some senior members of the committee may have been “bought off with gongs and peerages”.
A veteran MP and former officer of the 1922 committee echoed that sentiment, saying: “One of the problems is that too many of the officers of the ’22 are not standing again as MPs, so what are they looking for? They are looking at their ticket to the House of Lords."
It absolutely stinks to high heaven, what has our 'democracy' become?
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Post by wannabee on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:34 GMT
Another MP told The Telegraph: “They no longer represent the parliamentary party. It has become a thank you club for Rishi. They are just his stooges.” The MP claimed some senior members of the committee may have been “bought off with gongs and peerages”.
A veteran MP and former officer of the 1922 committee echoed that sentiment, saying: “One of the problems is that too many of the officers of the ’22 are not standing again as MPs, so what are they looking for? They are looking at their ticket to the House of Lords."
It absolutely stinks to high heaven, what has our 'democracy' become?
And this is the Torygraph saying it factually
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 4:07:08 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Apr 10, 2024 4:34:05 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 8:00:22 GMT
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Post by henry on Apr 10, 2024 8:58:44 GMT
4 people make 6000 successful claims, yet according to some getting universal credit is so so difficult.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 10, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
Universal credit the un fraud able system set up by the tories 5 Bulgarians have been found guilty of 50 million fraud
So that justification is now shot
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 10, 2024 9:51:06 GMT
I was completely unaware of this story until I read this. It's bordering on the unbelievable, how can it not be straight up illegal?
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Post by phileetin on Apr 10, 2024 10:04:29 GMT
Universal credit the un fraud able system set up by the tories 5 Bulgarians have been found guilty of 50 million fraud So that justification is now shot fraud was undertaken 2016 - 2021 , i don't think universal credit had been fully introduced then.
any one noticed how many "turkish" barber shops are open till late at night with no customers ? drug trafficking ?
also , seems to be loads of cars with uber stickers on , cars which i would'nt normally associate as being a taxi/private hire car . must be some tax dodge . i'd hate to be buying a second hand car now , used to avoid toyota corollas cos a lot were taxis but could be anything with 4 doors now .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 10:06:06 GMT
I was completely unaware of this story until I read this. It's bordering on the unbelievable, how can it not be straight up illegal? Yep...it's been around for quite some time mate.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 10, 2024 10:07:40 GMT
The shear scale of this is mind boggling and hopefully as much of the Tax Payers money as possible is recovered and they are sentenced to lengthy sentences which apparently cost £50,000 per year per person to add to the tally Given the scale you would have to conclude that the checks and balances are not fit for purpose and the fraud was apparently discovered by chance due to multiple claims from same address One of the drivers of Universal Credit introduction we were told was to reduce fraud. The report also said as a result of this case a new verification system has been introduced so there was an obvious loophole You must also question the Banking System Proceeduures to counteract Fraud and Money Laundering. In the first instance the verification system to open the number of Bank Accounts apparently 6000 individual claims and then the cash withdrawal and account transfer limits which are quite low £2,500/10,000 I think, before reporting suspicious behaviour. I understand there were none reported. Not being Racist but if 5 Bulgarians can manage to cheat the system out £50+ Million over a period of 5 years there is something fundamentally wrong
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 10:10:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 10:12:33 GMT
The shear scale of this is mind boggling and hopefully as much of the Tax Payers money as possible is recovered and they are sentenced to lengthy sentences which apparently cost £50,000 per year per person to add to the tally Given the scale you would have to conclude that the checks and balances are not fit for purpose and the fraud was apparently discovered by chance due to multiple claims from same address One of the drivers of Universal Credit introduction we were told was to reduce fraud. The report also said as a result of this case a new verification system has been introduced so there was an obvious loophole You must also question the Banking System Proceeduures to counteract Fraud and Money Laundering. In the first instance the verification system to open the number of Bank Accounts apparently 6000 individual claims and then the cash withdrawal and account transfer limits which are quite low £2,500/10,000 I think, before reporting suspicious behaviour. I understand there were none reported. Not being Racist but if 5 Bulgarians can manage to cheat the system out £50+ Million over a period of 5 years there is something fundamentally wrong Let's not forget the sheer scale of Russian money laundering going through the UK, while simultaneously donating large sums to the Tories.
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Post by henry on Apr 10, 2024 10:48:09 GMT
The shear scale of this is mind boggling and hopefully as much of the Tax Payers money as possible is recovered and they are sentenced to lengthy sentences which apparently cost £50,000 per year per person to add to the tally Given the scale you would have to conclude that the checks and balances are not fit for purpose and the fraud was apparently discovered by chance due to multiple claims from same address One of the drivers of Universal Credit introduction we were told was to reduce fraud. The report also said as a result of this case a new verification system has been introduced so there was an obvious loophole You must also question the Banking System Proceeduures to counteract Fraud and Money Laundering. In the first instance the verification system to open the number of Bank Accounts apparently 6000 individual claims and then the cash withdrawal and account transfer limits which are quite low £2,500/10,000 I think, before reporting suspicious behaviour. I understand there were none reported. Not being Racist but if 5 Bulgarians can manage to cheat the system out £50+ Million over a period of 5 years there is something fundamentally wrong It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 10:54:35 GMT
The shear scale of this is mind boggling and hopefully as much of the Tax Payers money as possible is recovered and they are sentenced to lengthy sentences which apparently cost £50,000 per year per person to add to the tally Given the scale you would have to conclude that the checks and balances are not fit for purpose and the fraud was apparently discovered by chance due to multiple claims from same address One of the drivers of Universal Credit introduction we were told was to reduce fraud. The report also said as a result of this case a new verification system has been introduced so there was an obvious loophole You must also question the Banking System Proceeduures to counteract Fraud and Money Laundering. In the first instance the verification system to open the number of Bank Accounts apparently 6000 individual claims and then the cash withdrawal and account transfer limits which are quite low £2,500/10,000 I think, before reporting suspicious behaviour. I understand there were none reported. Not being Racist but if 5 Bulgarians can manage to cheat the system out £50+ Million over a period of 5 years there is something fundamentally wrong It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK Having a close friend who is now unable to work due to severe mobility issues and having to endure 9 months of stress and financial hardship, I can assure you in most cases it absolutely isn't easy at all. God help you if you or anyone close to you has to go through what he did.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 10, 2024 11:08:48 GMT
The history of this goes back to the Major Government in 1994 when the Mines were Privatised An actuarial valuation was done at the time and for the 300,000 eligible miners in the scheme there was deemed a surplus of £2.4Bn. The Major Government agreed to take over as Guarantor of the scheme instead of the Private Mining Companies for a 50% share of the Surplus and any future surplus. It agreed to leave its £1.2Bn in the Investment Pot for 25 years now extended to 2029 The Investment Scheme since 1994 has returned surpluses which 50% has gone to Government the £4.2Bn and some to the Miners as Bonus Pension Payments. It's not difficult to work out that the 50% share to Government receives is far more than 300,000 miners individually The Government argument justifying its share is that because it guarantees minimum payment the fund has been able to invest in higher risk investments. A counter argument is that the payments under the scheme are so low the fund doesn't become depleted, in addition of the original 300,000 only 115,000 are still alive so the minimum payments from the fund are very low. The Miners are dying off at a rate of 7,000 per year which will only accelerate as they age and due to the occupation they were in much quicker than the Norm. So the Government is sitting on a huge nest egg which at the rate of deaths they should be able to cash in fully in about 10/15 years time. As is normal when a Citizen is up against "The Man" like The Postmasters, The Hemophiliacs, The Waspi Women etc etc The Government can wait it out and let people die so the problem becomes more manageable. Public Opinion puts on some heat but obfuscation is Stock in Trade for all Politicians of every persuasion The basic Tenet of Democracy is that the Representatives of the People are put in place to serve the People. Upon entering Office the Representatives leave that Tenet at the door and instead their new Tenet is to make as much money for themselves for as long as possible A useful tactic in this pursuit is to stir up Public Debate which divides Society on peripheral issues
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Post by wannabee on Apr 10, 2024 11:19:31 GMT
The shear scale of this is mind boggling and hopefully as much of the Tax Payers money as possible is recovered and they are sentenced to lengthy sentences which apparently cost £50,000 per year per person to add to the tally Given the scale you would have to conclude that the checks and balances are not fit for purpose and the fraud was apparently discovered by chance due to multiple claims from same address One of the drivers of Universal Credit introduction we were told was to reduce fraud. The report also said as a result of this case a new verification system has been introduced so there was an obvious loophole You must also question the Banking System Proceeduures to counteract Fraud and Money Laundering. In the first instance the verification system to open the number of Bank Accounts apparently 6000 individual claims and then the cash withdrawal and account transfer limits which are quite low £2,500/10,000 I think, before reporting suspicious behaviour. I understand there were none reported. Not being Racist but if 5 Bulgarians can manage to cheat the system out £50+ Million over a period of 5 years there is something fundamentally wrong It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK You might try that line on the families on the 600 people who committed suicide over a 3 year period linked to Universal Credit Claims DWP Jobsworths are not very smart as evidenced in the fraud highlighted. Like a lot of people in Power they like to exercise their authority particularly over more vulnerable people. Its called bullying, there used to be a Thread on it .https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2022/june/dwp-ignored-%E2%80%98hugely-alarming%E2%80%99-research-linked-wca-600-suicides-mps-are-told
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2024 11:22:24 GMT
Universal credit the un fraud able system set up by the tories 5 Bulgarians have been found guilty of 50 million fraud So that justification is now shot fraud was undertaken 2016 - 2021 , i don't think universal credit had been fully introduced then.
any one noticed how many "turkish" barber shops are open till late at night with no customers ? drug trafficking ?
also , seems to be loads of cars with uber stickers on , cars which i would'nt normally associate as being a taxi/private hire car . must be some tax dodge . i'd hate to be buying a second hand car now , used to avoid toyota corollas cos a lot were taxis but could be anything with 4 doors now .
My Turkish barbers only stays open till 5 and is always packed busy. I go on Friday afternoons as I get out of work early and it's not so bad. We aren't as multicultural in NI though so stoke may be different. I know most of those American candy shops you find in England tend to be money laundering enterprises. As for uber, it could be uber eats drivers as they don't require private hire licenses as they're just delivering food.
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2024 11:26:54 GMT
It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK Having a close friend who is now unable to work due to severe mobility issues and having to endure 9 months of stress and financial hardship, I can assure you in most cases it absolutely isn't easy at all. God help you if you or anyone close to you has to go through what he did. Let's not forget it was introduced by Labours Yvette Cooper when she was Work and Pensions secretary either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 11:34:11 GMT
Another MP told The Telegraph: “They no longer represent the parliamentary party. It has become a thank you club for Rishi. They are just his stooges.” The MP claimed some senior members of the committee may have been “bought off with gongs and peerages”.
A veteran MP and former officer of the 1922 committee echoed that sentiment, saying: “One of the problems is that too many of the officers of the ’22 are not standing again as MPs, so what are they looking for? They are looking at their ticket to the House of Lords."
It absolutely stinks to high heaven, what has our 'democracy' become?
There was a time when any of them did represent their parliamentary party? Since Boris, the Tory party have been an absolute disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 11:35:57 GMT
It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK Having a close friend who is now unable to work due to severe mobility issues and having to endure 9 months of stress and financial hardship, I can assure you in most cases it absolutely isn't easy at all. God help you if you or anyone close to you has to go through what he did. Agreed. There are some that abuse any system and safeguard. The vast majority use it as a safety net.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 10, 2024 11:49:55 GMT
It highlights just how easy it is to claim benefits in the UK Having a close friend who is now unable to work due to severe mobility issues and having to endure 9 months of stress and financial hardship, I can assure you in most cases it absolutely isn't easy at all. God help you if you or anyone close to you has to go through what he did. That's a great point Huddy. Someone who has a genuine claim has all the hurdles put in front of them. I know a couple of people who have claimed due to circumstances but had similar problems, yet fraudsters don't seem to have the same obstacles. It's the same with the pension funds stated above, not to mention the covid fraud and the only ones punished are those who play by the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 12:10:39 GMT
I was completely unaware of this story until I read this. It's bordering on the unbelievable, how can it not be straight up illegal? Yep...it's been around for quite some time mate. The word “hero” is banded about far too often. Miners aren’t “heroes”, though they are undoubtedly brave. They found a job and worked it. It’s not heroic, it’s life.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 10, 2024 15:19:33 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 10, 2024 15:45:12 GMT
Having a close friend who is now unable to work due to severe mobility issues and having to endure 9 months of stress and financial hardship, I can assure you in most cases it absolutely isn't easy at all. God help you if you or anyone close to you has to go through what he did. That's a great point Huddy. Someone who has a genuine claim has all the hurdles put in front of them. I know a couple of people who have claimed due to circumstances but had similar problems, yet fraudsters don't seem to have the same obstacles. It's the same with the pension funds stated above, not to mention the covid fraud and the only ones punished are those who play by the rules. Without wishing to just recycle what you have said that is so right. I too have sat alongside genuine benefit claimants and the task is both complex and daunting to someone who is being honest and who would actually far rather be working. It's quite a different prospect to some twat with no conscience happy to lie through their teeth and forge testimonies. The second group should quite rightly be demonised and prosecuted but that should not be allowed to spill over into stigmatising and unfairly punishing the first.
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