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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 9:46:11 GMT
Who national insurance change helps the most: Good year for top earners especially if you're a banker. Bonuses uncapped. Pensions uncapped. Extra grand from national insurance nearly. Shame about low earners though. The extra £49 won't go far especially as these people likely rent and face increases in rent 20x that amount. In the interest of fairness why don’t you post a snazzy graph showing how much more those nasty higher earners pay in national insurance. That way we can see someone on 50k pays £2980 a year to receive the same dogshit services as the 25k earner who pays £980. I don't make the graphs Henry. In a cost of living crisis I'm more concerned about those worse off than myself and feel they deserve more than me. If you feel differently then you're entitled to that. You must feel you're more deserving than lower earners based on this reply as you seem to be trying to justify who you deserve £750 more than someone on minimum wage using food banks.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2024 12:20:50 GMT
The planned abolition of NI, can only mean the planned abolition of free health care on the NHS, and zero pension for the younger generations. cheers Tories And yet again - not one mention of this in their manifesto. considering he said its his goal but it wont be happening anytime soon of course it isnt in any manifesto? Why would it? Id rather pay an equivalent higher %income tax to abolish ni. in theory it should raise equal revenue but be easier and easier to administer
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Post by henry on Mar 7, 2024 12:36:03 GMT
In the interest of fairness why don’t you post a snazzy graph showing how much more those nasty higher earners pay in national insurance. That way we can see someone on 50k pays £2980 a year to receive the same dogshit services as the 25k earner who pays £980. I don't make the graphs Henry. In a cost of living crisis I'm more concerned about those worse off than myself and feel they deserve more than me. If you feel differently then you're entitled to that. You must feel you're more deserving than lower earners based on this reply as you seem to be trying to justify who you deserve £750 more than someone on minimum wage using food banks. Good grief
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Post by knype on Mar 7, 2024 12:43:55 GMT
I don't make the graphs Henry. In a cost of living crisis I'm more concerned about those worse off than myself and feel they deserve more than me. If you feel differently then you're entitled to that. You must feel you're more deserving than lower earners based on this reply as you seem to be trying to justify who you deserve £750 more than someone on minimum wage using food banks. Good grief Good luck Henry
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 7, 2024 12:56:57 GMT
And yet again - not one mention of this in their manifesto. considering he said its his goal but it wont be happening anytime soon of course it isnt in any manifesto? Why would it? Id rather pay an equivalent higher %income tax to abolish ni. in theory it should raise equal revenue but be easier and easier to administer It's one of many stunts announced that were never in the manifesto. And if you think abolition of NI and attempting to get the same through Income Tax, you're living in a dreamworld mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 7, 2024 13:04:44 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 13:35:26 GMT
Not a chance she resigns. 80% of tories are members of friends of Israel. Resigning or removing the whip would not be supported by the israel lobby.
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Post by knype on Mar 7, 2024 13:39:06 GMT
Not a chance she resigns. 80% of tories are members of friends of Israel. Resigning or removing the whip would not be supported by the israel lobby.
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 13:47:38 GMT
Not a chance she resigns. 80% of tories are members of friends of Israel. Resigning or removing the whip would not be supported by the israel lobby. 🧑🦽
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Post by knype on Mar 7, 2024 13:59:01 GMT
And the clique have started to like your emoji's
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Post by elystokie on Mar 7, 2024 14:06:37 GMT
And the clique have started to like your emoji's I'm a 'clique' all by myself now then 😂
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 14:13:01 GMT
And the clique have started to like your emoji's I just like that the majority of your contribution to political discussions are to try and antagonise, divide or start arguments. Anyway enough from me. I've got to head back to the Israel thread to debate with fellow leftie oggy. Have a nice day Henry.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 7, 2024 14:26:04 GMT
Who national insurance change helps the most: Good year for top earners especially if you're a banker. Bonuses uncapped. Pensions uncapped. Extra grand from national insurance nearly. Shame about low earners though. The extra £49 won't go far especially as these people likely rent and face increases in rent 20x that amount. In the interest of fairness why don’t you post a snazzy graph showing how much more those nasty higher earners pay in national insurance. That way we can see someone on 50k pays £2980 a year to receive the same dogshit services as the 25k earner who pays £980. I think the point with NI is that the more you earn the less you pay as a proportion of your income. If you earn £50k then you pay 6%. If you earn £150k you pay just 3%. It therefore doesn't seem right that those with the greatest ability to pay and who will miss it least are paying the smallest proportional contribution. Or at least not to me it doesn't. How well it is spent in terms of value for money is - I accept - a valid point - but a separate discussion.
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Post by henry on Mar 7, 2024 14:28:13 GMT
And the clique have started to like your emoji's I just like that the majority of your contribution to political discussions are to try and antagonise, divide or start arguments. Anyway enough from me. I've got to head back to the Israel thread to debate with fellow leftie oggy. Have a nice day Henry. I will have a nice day thank you. I’m off to the Hanley Building society to invest hundreds of thousands of pounds in an ISA and bath myself in all the tax relief money I’ll get given me 👍
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 7, 2024 14:37:39 GMT
Agreement all tories self centered immoral morons or just the ones in parliament
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 7, 2024 14:46:00 GMT
You can be anti Israeli without being anti Jewish the 2 should not be linked and no country should be able criticism some people have forgotten this and the others are afraid of being fucked called antisemitic This needs to end
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2024 16:18:13 GMT
It's refreshing to have a PM just like the rest of us that's easy to relate to. I love making sure there's something nice on the table and getting that nice satisfying finish when I make the bed. WTAF they were thinking when they decided this was a good idea? F*** me, awkward is not the word! Perhaps if you want to be natural you should practice it in real life not just in front of a camera.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2024 16:20:50 GMT
Just regarding the ISA threshold increase
Is anyone with a spare £25k seriously going to invest it in an ISA? The rates are pretty crap, isn't it probably one of the worst options for an investment? I would be interested to know if folk think its a good option?
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Post by backintheday on Mar 7, 2024 16:55:05 GMT
Quite ironic really seeing as the last labour government left a note on the chancellors desk saying’good luck there is no money left’ i am apolitical but some people do have short memories. it’s about time politicians put the tribalism to one side and have grown up conversations about what’s needed for the country asa whole Are you Greg Hands MP? Ha ha no mate
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Post by backintheday on Mar 7, 2024 16:59:31 GMT
Quite ironic really seeing as the last labour government left a note on the chancellors desk saying’good luck there is no money left’ i am apolitical but some people do have short memories. it’s about time politicians put the tribalism to one side and have grown up conversations about what’s needed for the country asa whole You do realise that since that Labour government our country’s debt has increased by more than the amount of money every single government has spent in the entire 20th century combined. The tax take is at the highest level ever but public services are all worse than when labour left power, we are all poorer, we pay more tax, the debt level has gone through the roof. It is much, much worse now than when labour left power. Yes mate the debt is much worse mostly by the enormous cost of covid toward the countries finances. hence the ‘ can we not have a grown up conversation about it’. We are however talking about politician’s
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 17:21:13 GMT
You do realise that since that Labour government our country’s debt has increased by more than the amount of money every single government has spent in the entire 20th century combined. The tax take is at the highest level ever but public services are all worse than when labour left power, we are all poorer, we pay more tax, the debt level has gone through the roof. It is much, much worse now than when labour left power. Yes mate the debt is much worse mostly by the enormous cost of covid toward the countries finances. hence the ‘ can we not have a grown up conversation about it’. We are however talking about politician’s If we wish to have an adult conversation then we can reference the debt over time graph. Prior to a global financial crash when public services worked our debt increased by 150 billion under Labour. Prior to global covid where public services were already failing our debt increased by around 700 billion under the conservatives. Most of the debt accured during the conservatives reign was before covid, not after.
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Post by backintheday on Mar 7, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
Of course we can mate
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Post by backintheday on Mar 7, 2024 17:26:54 GMT
Oh forgot to mention the debacle of HS2 and 3 that should add a bit to it
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 7, 2024 18:20:24 GMT
Yes mate the debt is much worse mostly by the enormous cost of covid toward the countries finances. hence the ‘ can we not have a grown up conversation about it’. We are however talking about politician’s If we wish to have an adult conversation then we can reference the debt over time graph. Prior to a global financial crash when public services worked our debt increased by 150 billion under Labour. Prior to global covid where public services were already failing our debt increased by around 700 billion under the conservatives. Most of the debt accured during the conservatives reign was before covid, not after. Another point should be added in that for labour's rising debt we at least got bank shares that the tories squandered
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 19:07:03 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 19:09:59 GMT
You do realise that since that Labour government our country’s debt has increased by more than the amount of money every single government has spent in the entire 20th century combined. The tax take is at the highest level ever but public services are all worse than when labour left power, we are all poorer, we pay more tax, the debt level has gone through the roof. It is much, much worse now than when labour left power. Yes mate the debt is much worse mostly by the enormous cost of covid toward the countries finances. hence the ‘ can we not have a grown up conversation about it’. We are however talking about politician’s Most of the debt is pre covid
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 19:11:44 GMT
Know your place and don't look up only down.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 19:59:33 GMT
Know your place and don't look up only down. Rightly so, a government building in Canary Wharf had to be evacuated because of an infestation of bed bugs a week or two ago.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 20:19:53 GMT
Know your place and don't look up only down. Rightly so, a government building in Canary Wharf had to be evacuated because of an infestation of bed bugs a week or two ago. Back to the safe haven, good move😉
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 7, 2024 20:35:36 GMT
Just regarding the ISA threshold increase Is anyone with a spare £25k seriously going to invest it in an ISA? The rates are pretty crap, isn't it probably one of the worst options for an investment? I would be interested to know if folk think its a good option? Higher rate tax payers might do. If you pay 40% tax you can only earn £500 per year in interest tax free. After that it all gets taxed at 40% so sometimes ISA rates still work out better than other products.
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