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Post by gawa on Dec 9, 2023 2:18:23 GMT
Un-fucking believable. These charlatans only care about themselves. Absolutely scandalous. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67629470Education cuts, economy fucked, housing targets missed, immigration promises broken, record levels of corruption and fraud, nhs on its knees. So what have the tories done: - Above inflation pay rises for themselves since coming into parliament. An increase of over 20k since taking over. - Severance pay for MPs set to double to near 20k at next election (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66612463) - And now a brand new budget which no doubt will be a ludicrous sum with the money going into a tory donors pocket who will deliver these services for "career advice". Being an MP over the last years has certainly been prosperous. One of the few sectors which has been well looked after. Obviously the two changes two severance pay and the carrer transformation bollocks has no relation to the upcoming purge of tory MPs. Just a coincidence it's happened when they're projected to lose more seats than they've lost at a single action since the late 90s.
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Post by 828492 on Dec 9, 2023 8:40:30 GMT
They really are taking the piss. For them real increases in salary; increased severance; paid career advice. And now they ‘take advantage of Brexit’ by changing holiday pay rules for people in zero hours and other ‘flexible’ contracts. Corrupt. Useless. Nasty. Tory. Shysters.
3https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/08/part-time-and-shift-workers-to-lose-up-to-248m-holiday-pay-in-uk-rule-change
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 9, 2023 9:38:27 GMT
If, as wannabee says (and he certainly seems to know his stuff), the larger plan is to 'resettle' 2000 illegal immigrants, and being as we've already spent a quarter of a billion up to yet, it's highly probable that the total bill will be at least half a billion quid. That works out at £250,000 for each one deported. Disgraceful. OS. Ah, but how much per vote gained from the knypes of the world? That's the real calculation that is going on in our estimable Cabinet.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 9, 2023 9:58:01 GMT
Never let it be said that, however much Jonathan Gullis et al come across as thoroughly unlikeable twats, the thoroughly unlikeable twats need help and support in their times of need too. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67629470In which case, we should be making suggestions for his future employment prospects...I'll start... Based on his talent for unpleasant shit-stirring, how about professional dogshit hygiene specialist...
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 9, 2023 10:04:30 GMT
Never let it be said that, however much Jonathan Gullis et al come across as thoroughly unlikeable twats, the thoroughly unlikeable twats need help and support in their times of need too. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67629470In which case, we should be making suggestions for his future employment prospects...I'll start... Based on his talent for unpleasant shit-stirring, how about professional dogshit hygiene specialist... How about binman as he's used to rubbish or waste treatment center operation as he's used to being involved within 😁
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 9, 2023 10:14:19 GMT
Never let it be said that, however much Jonathan Gullis et al come across as thoroughly unlikeable twats, the thoroughly unlikeable twats need help and support in their times of need too. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67629470In which case, we should be making suggestions for his future employment prospects...I'll start... Based on his talent for unpleasant shit-stirring, how about professional dogshit hygiene specialist... How about binman as he's used to rubbish or waste treatment center operation as he's used to being involved within 😁 Gullis as binman, yes, quite feasible. You can picture it now...
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Post by redstriper on Dec 9, 2023 11:04:43 GMT
I think underlying idea of the scheme could be being missed here, the end game is surely to deter the future flood of additional seekers "choosing" the UK. The government want to have a working scheme so they can publicise it with the message "don't come to britain - you will end up in Rwanda" . For this message to be valid they only need to deport a few hundred people a year. I'm not a supporter of the government or politicians of any party, self seeking, self centered imo, but I don't believe many of them are thick. But it is still basically irrelevant in the grand scheme of immigration numbers! It is madness to spend so much money on such a minor issue. Why not focus on the backlog of asylum seekers we are housing in hotels costing billions a year!? £100m towards that would whip through the backlog saving billions. I don’t think the politicians are thick. It is the right wing voters who feel that the boats are this massive issue who are thick. It is wildly disproportionate to focus on it, let alone do what the government are doing and spending on it. It must cost tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands even) for a 2 hour immigration debate in the Commons. And the cost of all the lawyers working on failed legislation time and again, and to prepare for the legal challenges and hearings etc. What a waste of time and money when we have public services in crisis and bankrupt councils and austerity to hit even harder from April. Our government needs to start doing its actual job. I agree its a side issue. I wouldn't try to deport them at all.... the country needs manual labourers (because we have an underlying problem of over 2 million people who think its beneath them to work and would rather claim benefits) these primarily young, fit, motivated, resourceful and brave people would be very useful if allowed to work. The Spanish allow those arriving from Africa to work in the plastic sheet farming areas around Almaria and have a thriving local economy and we have tomatoes in the winter because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 11:40:55 GMT
But it is still basically irrelevant in the grand scheme of immigration numbers! It is madness to spend so much money on such a minor issue. Why not focus on the backlog of asylum seekers we are housing in hotels costing billions a year!? £100m towards that would whip through the backlog saving billions. I don’t think the politicians are thick. It is the right wing voters who feel that the boats are this massive issue who are thick. It is wildly disproportionate to focus on it, let alone do what the government are doing and spending on it. It must cost tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands even) for a 2 hour immigration debate in the Commons. And the cost of all the lawyers working on failed legislation time and again, and to prepare for the legal challenges and hearings etc. What a waste of time and money when we have public services in crisis and bankrupt councils and austerity to hit even harder from April. Our government needs to start doing its actual job. I agree its a side issue. I wouldn't try to deport them at all.... the country needs manual labourers (because we have an underlying problem of over 2 million people who think its beneath them to work and would rather claim benefits) these primarily young, fit, motivated, resourceful and brave people would be very useful if allowed to work. The Spanish allow those arriving from Africa to work in the plastic sheet farming areas around Almaria and have a thriving local economy and we have tomatoes in the winter because of it. Exactly. Just make use of people. Identify areas that are heavily understaffed and state that immigrants need to work those jobs if they come in until they can get citizenship (or some other metric). It’s no different than most visas, except the people are already here. No matter what the spin would be though, Murdoch would always sell it negatively because it earns more money.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 9, 2023 11:56:56 GMT
I agree its a side issue. I wouldn't try to deport them at all.... the country needs manual labourers (because we have an underlying problem of over 2 million people who think its beneath them to work and would rather claim benefits) these primarily young, fit, motivated, resourceful and brave people would be very useful if allowed to work. The Spanish allow those arriving from Africa to work in the plastic sheet farming areas around Almaria and have a thriving local economy and we have tomatoes in the winter because of it. Exactly. Just make use of people. Identify areas that are heavily understaffed and state that immigrants need to work those jobs if they come in until they can get citizenship (or some other metric). It’s no different than most visas, except the people are already here. No matter what the spin would be though, Murdoch would always sell it negatively because it earns more money. That has always been the approach and continues to be the approach. It's nothing new. And entirely sensible where there are labour market gaps to fill. We already know through research that migration has a net economic benefit to the country. This focus on small boats and Rwanda is nothing more than a dog whistle orchestrated by government in collaboration with the Tory Press to make people think it's a huge issue. It really isn't. If it wasn't for the govt and people like Farage going on about it and it wasn't on the front pages of the Mail, Express etc two or three times a week, nobody would give a fuck and understandably so because it has zero impact on their lives.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2023 20:53:10 GMT
A woman completely devoid of any self awareness.
This is glorious ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 10, 2023 8:33:39 GMT
Austerity, Brexit, the pandemic, Partygate, the brief but ruinous reign of Liz Truss, the HS2 debacle, NHS waiting lists at unprecedented levels, collapsing school buildings, the shortage of places to live, taxes heading to a record peacetime high, more austerity and the explosive Tory crisis over migration.
“Chaos with Ed Miliband”, David Cameron famously said before the 2015 election, or “stable and strong government” of the Tories. May went on about strong and stable government too. Brexit was all about “taking back control”.
Lie, lies and more lies. If anyone other than the people directly financially benefiting from the tax payer handouts to tories from PPE, to HS2, to hotels for migrant, votes for them, I would argue they lack mental capacity and should be sectioned.
The tory party is by far the most incompetent political party ever.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2023 9:18:39 GMT
A woman completely devoid of any self awareness. This is glorious ... Good for them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2023 10:08:51 GMT
This is such an interesting survey and really underlines how governments and their client media outlets can influence public opinion. yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-countryIt's not an easy chart to unpick on a mobile but the purple line is immigration. Look how it falls away after the referendum and is now picking up again. All of that, I'd suggest, is purely down to government and their media friends pushing and pulling different levers at different times. Post referendum, the Brexiteer-led government wanted little or no focus on migration anymore because it was job done for them and they knew they had no intention of doing anything about it. Now, however, with the economy through the floor, the NHS with record waiting lists, the EU unable to be the usual go-to bogeyman because we've left, the last throw of the dice for the Tories and Tory tabloids is foreigners again. Their big problem of course is that they campaigned for Brexit on a "foreigner-control" ticket and yet migration is well over one million last two years. Hence the focus on the much tinier issue of 35,000 asylum-seeking arrivals instead, hoping that people will get so vexed about that particular aspect that they'll think 35,000 "illegals" is more impactful than 1.5 million legal immigrants. I'm not sure people are quite that stupid, but they're clearly banking on that as a tactic as the chart shows.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 10, 2023 11:06:12 GMT
This is such an interesting survey and really underlines how governments and their client media outlets can influence public opinion. yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-countryIt's not an easy chart to unpick on a mobile but the purple line is immigration. Look how it falls away after the referendum and is now picking up again. All of that, I'd suggest, is purely down to government and their media friends pushing and pulling different levers at different times. Post referendum, the Brexiteer-led government wanted little or no focus on migration anymore because it was job done for them and they knew they had no intention of doing anything about it. Now, however, with the economy through the floor, the NHS with record waiting lists, the EU unable to be the usual go-to bogeyman because we've left, the last throw of the dice for the Tories and Tory tabloids is foreigners again. Their big problem of course is that they campaigned for Brexit on a "foreigner-control" ticket and yet migration is well over one million last two years. Hence the focus on the much tinier issue of 35,000 asylum-seeking arrivals instead, hoping that people will get so vexed about that particular aspect that they'll think 35,000 "illegals" is more impactful than 1.5 million legal immigrants. I'm not sure people are quite that stupid, but they're clearly banking on that as a tactic as the chart shows. Remember EU membership was a complete non-issue for the public until the tories called a referendum. And some people argue about a left wing brexit!!!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2023 11:23:32 GMT
This is such an interesting survey and really underlines how governments and their client media outlets can influence public opinion. yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-countryIt's not an easy chart to unpick on a mobile but the purple line is immigration. Look how it falls away after the referendum and is now picking up again. All of that, I'd suggest, is purely down to government and their media friends pushing and pulling different levers at different times. Post referendum, the Brexiteer-led government wanted little or no focus on migration anymore because it was job done for them and they knew they had no intention of doing anything about it. Now, however, with the economy through the floor, the NHS with record waiting lists, the EU unable to be the usual go-to bogeyman because we've left, the last throw of the dice for the Tories and Tory tabloids is foreigners again. Their big problem of course is that they campaigned for Brexit on a "foreigner-control" ticket and yet migration is well over one million last two years. Hence the focus on the much tinier issue of 35,000 asylum-seeking arrivals instead, hoping that people will get so vexed about that particular aspect that they'll think 35,000 "illegals" is more impactful than 1.5 million legal immigrants. I'm not sure people are quite that stupid, but they're clearly banking on that as a tactic as the chart shows. Remember EU membership was a complete non-issue for the public until the tories called a referendum. And some people argue about a left wing brexit!!!! Indeed. Most people accept that the referendum was little more than an attempt to draw a line under the issue that has most threatened the cohesion of the Tory Party for decades, and at the same time, a dangerous gamble with the future of the country. Something that has spectacularly failed on both fronts. The right really does have nowhere to go now other than weaponising foreigners again. Can't blame the EU anymore. Quite the own goal politically, on many levels, that one! Can't stand on their record over the last decade, it's awful. Can't really use immigration when you've waved in 1.5 million over the last couple of years, although they're obviously trying to focus on the 'threat' of illegal immigration. They're that desperate I would not be at all surprised to see more and more reports about crime, violence and terrorism linked to immigration, however tenuous, over the next few months towards the election.
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Post by wannabee on Dec 10, 2023 13:05:31 GMT
A woman completely devoid of any self awareness. This is glorious ... Cough (cant) 🤣 I think they missed a trick by not inviting the ex "Micky Mouse" Immigration Minister to form a Double Act with Cruella The self importance of these arseholes who flounce off or are sacked behaving like cry babies because they can't heap more misery on the 3% of the people that come to this Country. Look over there
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 10, 2023 16:17:42 GMT
Wonder if we can mock up a p45 for the tory mps expected to be voted off postage would cost a fortune though 😁😁
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2023 17:43:24 GMT
A woman completely devoid of any self awareness. This is glorious ... Cough (cant) 🤣 I think they missed a trick by not inviting the ex "Micky Mouse" Immigration Minister to form a Double Act with Cruella The self importance of these arseholes who flounce off or are sacked behaving like cry babies because they can't heap more misery on the 3% of the people that come to this Country. Look over there Such a shame that the woman who Braverman invited up, probably on the assumption that she wouldn't do so, got shut down and wasn't able to tell the ex Home Sec what she really thought of her. Although, if she had, I doubt that we'd be seeing it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2023 17:44:41 GMT
Cough (cant) 🤣 I think they missed a trick by not inviting the ex "Micky Mouse" Immigration Minister to form a Double Act with Cruella The self importance of these arseholes who flounce off or are sacked behaving like cry babies because they can't heap more misery on the 3% of the people that come to this Country. Look over there Such a shame that the woman who Braverman invited up, probably on the assumption that she wouldn't do so, got shut down and wasn't able to tell the ex Home Sec what she really thought of her. Although, if she had, I doubt that we'd be seeing it. That woman was pathetic! And as for the idiot that got on stage with her…….
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 10, 2023 18:22:43 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2023 18:35:02 GMT
I was going to say how shocking that is, but it just isn't. The organisation highlighted one example as being the cost of PPE delivered by Meller Designs, a fashion company at the time co-owned by the Tory donor David Meller, which was referred through the VIP lane by Michael Gove’s office. Meller Designs was awarded six PPE supply contracts worth £164m during the coronavirus pandemic.
In three of these contracts with Meller Designs, the government paid between 1.2 and 2.2 times the average unit price. The average price for medical gowns was £5.87 but the gowns bought from Meller Designs cost £12.64. About £8.46m worth of the equipment supplied by Meller Designs was later found to be not used in an NHS setting.You'd like to think someone would see the inside of a jail cell for such scandalous corruption and waste of public funds but nobody will.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 11, 2023 6:16:30 GMT
Shocking news.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 11, 2023 7:58:16 GMT
£700 million earmarked to 'address illegal migration' for next seven years.
That's over £1 billion for sonething they clearly can't stop at all, despite what they keep saying and what they sold Brexit on.
And worst of all, learning no doubt from the Covid approach, they're inviting business to provide a solution. Where there's a problem there's money to be made for their mates.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 11, 2023 10:06:08 GMT
Curtesy of national newspeak
Is rishi having lame duck for Christmas 😁
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Post by andystokey on Dec 11, 2023 10:14:46 GMT
National mansplaining day has arrived.
Looking forward to his meltdown after the vote as well.
*popcorn*
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 11, 2023 10:48:51 GMT
Very convenient all these missing whatsapps.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 11, 2023 10:52:13 GMT
Very convenient all these missing whatsapps. Did you see that some pranksters managed to ring his old phone and it picked up and got an answerphone message. But irrecoverable, sure. Hes just said live that no one at the treasury ever explained to him they were required evidence. *cough*
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 11, 2023 11:23:13 GMT
I really don't see the issue with the 'Eat out to help out' scheme. Sunak's remit at the time was economic matters and it was a reasonable attempt to help out the hospitality sector which was in financial ruin by that stage.
I don't understand why there isn't just a honest/candid discussion that there was a balance to be struck between keeping the country functioning and controlling the virus spread.
If the decision was based purely on health concerns then we'd have locked down for 2 years and we'd do the same every winter to minimise deaths from winter ailments.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 11, 2023 11:34:12 GMT
I really don't see the issue with the 'Eat out to help out' scheme. Sunak's remit at the time was economic matters and it was a reasonable attempt to help out the hospitality sector which was in financial ruin by that stage. I don't understand why there isn't just a honest/candid discussion that there was a balance to be struck between keeping the country functioning and controlling the virus spread. If the decision was based purely on health concerns then we'd have locked down for 2 years and we'd do the same every winter to minimise deaths from winter ailments. The whole point of this fake inquiry is to promote the idea of even more Draconian lockdowns in the future, and to use the idea of government incompetence to promote the idea of handing all such health decisions to an external organisation. Health Technocracy, courtesy of you know WHO. Still no questions about why no country in the world had lockdowns as part of any pandemic response, yet virtually all these supposedly unconnected independent governments inflicted them on their populations, based on no evidence whatsoever. Answers to how this blunt, and scientifically flawed concept, was deemed necessary is probably found in those 'lost' messages.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 11:40:59 GMT
I really don't see the issue with the 'Eat out to help out' scheme. Sunak's remit at the time was economic matters and it was a reasonable attempt to help out the hospitality sector which was in financial ruin by that stage. I don't understand why there isn't just a honest/candid discussion that there was a balance to be struck between keeping the country functioning and controlling the virus spread. If the decision was based purely on health concerns then we'd have locked down for 2 years and we'd do the same every winter to minimise deaths from winter ailments. The whole point of this fake inquiry is to promote the idea of even more Draconian lockdowns in the future, and to use the idea of government incompetence to promote the idea of handing all such health decisions to an external organisation. Health Technocracy, courtesy of you know WHO. Still no questions about why no country in the world had lockdowns as part of any pandemic response, yet virtually all these supposedly unconnected independent governments inflicted them on their populations, based on no evidence whatsoever. Answers to how this blunt, and scientifically flawed concept, was deemed necessary is probably found in those 'lost' messages. 😂
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