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Post by partickpotter on Dec 20, 2020 10:04:44 GMT
Not at all. Britain’s electorate for the most much prefers the centre ground and generally rewards the party closest to it. Something Labour had in mind when abandoning the Corbyn project in opting for Keir Starmer. Something Tony Blair understood very well. Billy Bragg nailed it one line in his otherwise saccharine lament Between The Wars... Sweet moderation, heart of this nation. I’m not sure he ever wrote a song though about the contempt the left has developed towards the working class as demonstrated in your last sentence... rather brainless and easily led. Damn those red wall voters voting for Brexit and the Tories. And yet the centre ground party, the Liberals are dead. They died in the 1920s as a meaningful political voice. 29 October 1924 to be precise, although they had been seriously ill in the preceding years.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 20, 2020 10:04:47 GMT
I agree. I think England is a broadly right-wing country that has made its collective mind up for the foreseeable future that it doesn't matter how incompetent the latest Tory government proves to be, the 'threat' of having a non-Tory government in power is even more terrifying. Rather brainless and easily led, but there you go, that's how it is. Not at all. Britain’s electorate for the most much prefers the centre ground and generally rewards the party closest to it. Something Labour had in mind when abandoning the Corbyn project in opting for Keir Starmer. Something Tony Blair understood very well. Billy Bragg nailed it one line in his otherwise saccharine lament Between The Wars... Sweet moderation, heart of this nation. I’m not sure he ever wrote a song though about the contempt the left has developed towards the working class as demonstrated in your last sentence... rather brainless and easily led. Damn those red wall voters voting for Brexit and the Tories. Well, we'll see how it turns out for them, won't we! Brexit and fifteen to twenty years of Tory governance come 2025 or 2030. Let's see how that turns out for ordinary people, poverty, wealth inequality, public services, the NHS, jobs, affordable housing, the environment. Certainly done a cracking good job of looking after ordinary folk during the Covid pandemic, haven't they? And the fact that, despite this, they are still roughly neck and neck with Labour in the polls does rather back up everything I wrote previously. What would it actually take I wonder to get people to think that maybe the Tories don't actually have the best interests of ordinary people at heart? Or are people just too selfish these days and they simply don't care, provided they themselves are generally ok?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 20, 2020 10:05:32 GMT
Not at all. Britain’s electorate for the most much prefers the centre ground and generally rewards the party closest to it. Something Labour had in mind when abandoning the Corbyn project in opting for Keir Starmer. Something Tony Blair understood very well. Billy Bragg nailed it one line in his otherwise saccharine lament Between The Wars... Sweet moderation, heart of this nation. I’m not sure he ever wrote a song though about the contempt the left has developed towards the working class as demonstrated in your last sentence... rather brainless and easily led. Damn those red wall voters voting for Brexit and the Tories. And yet the centre ground party, the Liberals are dead. Why vote for a party with little or no chance of government in a FPTP system which effectively discourages that?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2020 10:07:34 GMT
Not at all. Britain’s electorate for the most much prefers the centre ground and generally rewards the party closest to it. Something Labour had in mind when abandoning the Corbyn project in opting for Keir Starmer. Something Tony Blair understood very well. Billy Bragg nailed it one line in his otherwise saccharine lament Between The Wars... Sweet moderation, heart of this nation. I’m not sure he ever wrote a song though about the contempt the left has developed towards the working class as demonstrated in your last sentence... rather brainless and easily led. Damn those red wall voters voting for Brexit and the Tories. And yet the centre ground party, the Liberals are dead. This county is as right wing as it has been for generations and rapidly drifting closer to the abyss.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 20, 2020 14:22:29 GMT
The same politics from the SNP, Labour and DUP/SF in the administrations they run in the UK. I was going to say this goes beyond party politics, but then I remember Sturgeons daily “look at England, how much worse they are than Scotland” show (14 mentions in her short pitch this evening). I guess though that could be termed nationalist politics. "Characteristic dithering" has created a new shambles. Most reports seem to have got that right. If you're going to play politics with which areas go into Tier 3 and ignore the southeast despite having higher numbers, then surprise surprise that might come back to bite you on the arse. Given how frequently Bluffer lies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this "new strain" was a convenient smokescreen to deflect away from exactly what they have done. See the trade talks have broken down the new strain a cover for this maybe
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 20, 2020 15:29:22 GMT
Don’t fret... there’ll be more following the current lot. I agree. I think England is a broadly right-wing country that has made its collective mind up for the foreseeable future that it doesn't matter how incompetent the latest Tory government proves to be, the 'threat' of having a non-Tory government in power is even more terrifying. Rather brainless and easily led, but there you go, that's how it is. That last sentence is pretty ignorant.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 20, 2020 16:39:30 GMT
"Characteristic dithering" has created a new shambles. Most reports seem to have got that right. If you're going to play politics with which areas go into Tier 3 and ignore the southeast despite having higher numbers, then surprise surprise that might come back to bite you on the arse. Given how frequently Bluffer lies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this "new strain" was a convenient smokescreen to deflect away from exactly what they have done. See the trade talks have broken down the new strain a cover for this maybe Strains don't usually make good covers Joey.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2020 17:07:15 GMT
'Clown car death cult'
Thats about it. Well done if you voted for it.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 20, 2020 22:48:03 GMT
'Clown car death cult' Thats about it. Well done if you voted for it. As long as boris and his cronies make their millions and fly off to their tax havens they don't care one jot about the people of the UK there all I'm alright Jack sod you plebs your to thick to notice weve screwed you big time
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 20, 2020 22:56:38 GMT
'Clown car death cult' Thats about it. Well done if you voted for it. As long as boris and his cronies make their millions and fly off to their tax havens they don't care one jot about the people of the UK there all I'm alright Jack sod you plebs your to thick to notice weve screwed you big time
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 21, 2020 18:37:21 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 21, 2020 18:58:29 GMT
Hope the Brexit supporters on here are starting to eat humble pie Oven ready deal up in flames Ports blockaded No access to EU bailout money Parts held up at Dover Freedom of movement restrictions Stocks in freefall Trade disrupted No healthcare access on the continent Thousands of jobs lost But hay ho we have our sovereignty that we never lost in the first place Sorry pressed publish before finished
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 21, 2020 19:01:11 GMT
Hope the Brexit supporters on here are starting to eat humble pie Oven ready deal up in flames Ports blockaded No access to EU bailout money Parts held up at Dover Freedom of movement restrictions Stocks in freefall Blue passports, though, blue passports...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 22, 2020 7:23:50 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 22, 2020 16:17:00 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2020 16:29:16 GMT
Hope the Brexit supporters on here are starting to eat humble pie Oven ready deal up in flames Ports blockaded No access to EU bailout money Parts held up at Dover Freedom of movement restrictions Stocks in freefall Trade disrupted No healthcare access on the continent Thousands of jobs lost But hay ho we have our sovereignty that we never lost in the first place Sorry pressed publish before finished Let’s hope for your sake we don’t run out of toilet paper or nappies.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2020 17:26:10 GMT
And yet the centre ground party, the Liberals are dead. They died in the 1920s as a meaningful political voice. 29 October 1924 to be precise, although they had been seriously ill in the preceding years. Because we've done it before I don't particularly want to go into the merits of him as a person or the concept of a Reform Party but I am certain that Farage is " planning" something similar at the next election. Much will depend upon events until then, but disillusionment might provide an opportunity for him. It might not , but these are strange and difficult times, I would not rule anything out.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 22, 2020 17:37:16 GMT
Not at all. Britain’s electorate for the most much prefers the centre ground and generally rewards the party closest to it. Something Labour had in mind when abandoning the Corbyn project in opting for Keir Starmer. Something Tony Blair understood very well. Billy Bragg nailed it one line in his otherwise saccharine lament Between The Wars... Sweet moderation, heart of this nation. I’m not sure he ever wrote a song though about the contempt the left has developed towards the working class as demonstrated in your last sentence... rather brainless and easily led. Damn those red wall voters voting for Brexit and the Tories. And yet the centre ground party, the Liberals are dead. Crazy isn’t it because I think a lot of people me included want a party somewhere in the middle of the 2 main parties. Just a shame that they seem so unelectable. I do think however that the Labour Party have a better chance of getting in with the more electable Starmer in charge than Corbyn who would never get elected.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2020 17:45:56 GMT
They died in the 1920s as a meaningful political voice. 29 October 1924 to be precise, although they had been seriously ill in the preceding years. Because we've done it before I don't particularly want to go into the merits of him as a person or the concept of a Reform Party but I am certain that Farage is " planning" something similar at the next election. Much will depend upon events until then, but disillusionment might provide an opportunity for him. It might not , but these are strange and difficult times, I would not rule anything out. Brexit struck a nerve with the British public unlike any other subject. I doubt there is anything else that will provide a similar platform. Farage needs to remember Brexit wasn’t about him so should be wary about thinking the success of Brexit will follow him in his future ambitions.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2020 17:58:17 GMT
Because we've done it before I don't particularly want to go into the merits of him as a person or the concept of a Reform Party but I am certain that Farage is " planning" something similar at the next election. Much will depend upon events until then, but disillusionment might provide an opportunity for him. It might not , but these are strange and difficult times, I would not rule anything out. Brexit struck a nerve with the British public unlike any other subject. I doubt there is anything else that will provide a similar platform. Farage needs to remember Brexit wasn’t about him so should be wary about thinking the success of Brexit will follow him in his future ambitions. I agree yo an extent but given the times thst we are in, the situation might arise when he " seizes" the moment....if Brexit isn't properly delivered, the demise of the Labour Party, the lack of talent/ leadership in the two main parties/ continued "illegal" immigration. In my opinion it is not just UK politics that is on flux, we are at the beginning of times of change, I would not rule anything out.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 22, 2020 22:41:18 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 22, 2020 22:45:35 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 22, 2020 23:35:10 GMT
Heh?...... she’s right. What’s your point?
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Dec 23, 2020 3:50:58 GMT
Heh?...... she’s right. What’s your point? She’s an idiot, what in Gods name is she doing tweeting about an ongoing trail, does she not think?
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 23, 2020 3:56:35 GMT
This Government has spent more than the entire budget for GPs (£14Bn+) on its world beating test and trace system.
Can anyone name a country that has a worse record on covid management?
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 23, 2020 5:32:58 GMT
This Government has spent more than the entire budget for GPs (£14Bn+) on its world beating test and trace system. Can anyone name a country that has a worse record on covid management? Oh but no one is getting rich from the system that's unless you're a Tory donor of cause 😁😁
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 23, 2020 6:13:35 GMT
Did you vote Labour between 1997 -2010 Because if you did it would be slightly hypocritical to complain of cronyism And I shan’t even start on the mass murder side of things
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 23, 2020 7:56:19 GMT
Did you vote Labour between 1997 -2010 Because if you did it would be slightly hypocritical to complain of cronyism And I shan’t even start on the mass murder side of things Politicians are all as bad as each other. It’s very rare that you’ll see one who isn’t and purely has the interests of others at heart.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 23, 2020 8:27:45 GMT
Heh?...... she’s right. What’s your point? She’s an idiot, what in Gods name is she doing tweeting about an ongoing trail, does she not think? Can you imagine the braying mob on here if Dianne Abbott had done something so idiotic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 23, 2020 8:31:03 GMT
Did you vote Labour between 1997 -2010 Because if you did it would be slightly hypocritical to complain of cronyism And I shan’t even start on the mass murder side of things On this scale? I think not. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/29/covid-pandemic-tory-chumocracy-cronyism-spin'So far, it is estimated that the government, without a transparent tendering process, handed out £18bn in coronavirus-related contracts during the first six months of the pandemic alone. Of this, £1.5bn can be traced to companies or individuals with connections to the Conservative party.
Within those billions there is more shocking detail. A spider’s web of unqualified Tory donors, university friends, neighbours and local pub owners has been entrusted with everything from the provision of PPE to the manufacturing of medical equipment. The tendering process seems to have been jettisoned for random phone calls and texts from opportunists, with ministers too lazy to go through due process and too arrogant to care'
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