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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 9, 2019 19:29:34 GMT
ask baroness varsi she has made the acusations She has not mentioned MP's to my knowledge merely people in the party looks like you are making stuff up again. Heβs getting desperate mate ... Looking at the latest YouGov polls, I can see why. Itβs not looking good for serial loser, Jezza π
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 9, 2019 19:30:08 GMT
ask baroness varsi she has made the acusations She has not mentioned MP's to my knowledge merely people in the party looks like you are making stuff up again. sign an elections due with bonking Boris leading the two faced party!! the Tories on here are spreading there unproven accusation but when its there own they don't like it do they!! Just go's to show you cant trust the Tories!!! for the few not the many!!
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 9, 2019 19:33:04 GMT
Let me repeat yet again Im anti torie and anti brexit! so stop calling me a corbin supporter !
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 9, 2019 19:37:17 GMT
Be fair ex-labour mp although it wasn't the racism or homophobia that got him kicked out though he resigned as a labour mp from memory. Reading more about him he was clearly totally unsuitable to ever be an MP but he also claims Labour and Corbyn gave him no help to cope with his disability cerebal palsey I think when he got to the HoC. He not resigned at all he's still in place and that's the point he was and is unsuitable. The local Labour party are trying to get rid but they can't. Edit: he might have resigned as a Labour MP but is still in post. He was one of the first momentum mps even the most basic check would have weeded him out.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 19:41:07 GMT
He not resigned at all he's still in place and that's the point he was and is unsuitable. The local Labour party are trying to get rid but they can't. Edit: he might have resigned as a Labour MP but is still in post. He was one of the first momentum mps even the most basic check would have weeded him out. True mate but I'm not sure they even thought he would get elected and when he did he went rogue with his pub mates.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 20:26:15 GMT
She has not mentioned MP's to my knowledge merely people in the party looks like you are making stuff up again. sign an elections due with bonking Boris leading the two faced party!! the Tories on here are spreading there unproven accusation but when its there own they don't like it do they!! Just go's to show you cant trust the Tories!!! for the few not the many!! I'm pretty sure Boris is the Tory leader this is the two faced partyπ€ or it could be both you decide...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:33:39 GMT
She has not mentioned MP's to my knowledge merely people in the party looks like you are making stuff up again. Heβs getting desperate mate ... Looking at the latest YouGov polls, I can see why. Itβs not looking good for serial loser, Jezza π Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......??
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 20:38:47 GMT
Heβs getting desperate mate ... Looking at the latest YouGov polls, I can see why. Itβs not looking good for serial loser, Jezza π Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......?? I thought YouGov were the most accurate and respected or do I have it wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......?? I thought YouGov were the most accurate and respected or do I have it wrong? Comres and Survation have been the most accurate pollsters over the last 10 years. These were the results of the polls at the end of July: β’ Labour lead by 2% (Surv.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Opin.) β’ Labour lead by 4% (ComR.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Delta) β’ Labour lead by 1% (BMG) β’ Tory lead by 2% (Ipsos) β’ Tory lead by 6% (YouGov) By the way I'm not necessarily saying any of them hold that much sway, I'm a firm believer polls are often used to shape opinion not gauge it, but YouGov has become Tory propoganda. I do find it interesting why it's the only on ever quoted in the media........
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 20:53:47 GMT
I thought YouGov were the most accurate and respected or do I have it wrong? Comres and Survation have been the most accurate pollsters over the last 10 years. These were the results of the polls at the end of July: β’ Labour lead by 2% (Surv.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Opin.) β’ Labour lead by 4% (ComR.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Delta) β’ Labour lead by 1% (BMG) β’ Tory lead by 2% (Ipsos) β’ Tory lead by 6% (YouGov) By the way I'm not necessarily saying any of them hold that much sway, I'm a firm believer polls are often used to shape opinion not gauge it, but YouGov has become Tory propoganda. I do find it interesting why it's the only on ever quoted in the media........ Thanks I did not know that.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 20:59:03 GMT
I thought YouGov were the most accurate and respected or do I have it wrong? Comres and Survation have been the most accurate pollsters over the last 10 years. These were the results of the polls at the end of July: β’ Labour lead by 2% (Surv.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Opin.) β’ Labour lead by 4% (ComR.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Delta) β’ Labour lead by 1% (BMG) β’ Tory lead by 2% (Ipsos) β’ Tory lead by 6% (YouGov) By the way I'm not necessarily saying any of them hold that much sway, I'm a firm believer polls are often used to shape opinion not gauge it, but YouGov has become Tory propoganda. I do find it interesting why it's the only on ever quoted in the media........ This looks an interesting read if you suffer from insomnia.. I might give it a go but it does seem to throw some margin for error to different pollsters, some larger than othersπ€ marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/uk-general-elections-3-who-is-the-most-accurate-pollster/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:00:22 GMT
Comres and Survation have been the most accurate pollsters over the last 10 years. These were the results of the polls at the end of July: β’ Labour lead by 2% (Surv.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Opin.) β’ Labour lead by 4% (ComR.) β’ Labour lead by 6% (Delta) β’ Labour lead by 1% (BMG) β’ Tory lead by 2% (Ipsos) β’ Tory lead by 6% (YouGov) By the way I'm not necessarily saying any of them hold that much sway, I'm a firm believer polls are often used to shape opinion not gauge it, but YouGov has become Tory propoganda. I do find it interesting why it's the only on ever quoted in the media........ This looks an interesting read if you suffer from insomnia.. I might give it a go but it does seem to throw some margin for error to different pollsters, some larger than othersπ€ marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/uk-general-elections-3-who-is-the-most-accurate-pollster/Being the sad bastard that I am, I have already read that before.....
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 21:10:30 GMT
Being the sad bastard that I am, I have already read that before..... Good now explain how RSME works before I get too far in π€―
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 9, 2019 21:15:49 GMT
Heβs getting desperate mate ... Looking at the latest YouGov polls, I can see why. Itβs not looking good for serial loser, Jezza π Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......?? With the greatest respect, do you honestly believe Corbyn has a chance of winning the next GE? The truth is, heβs unelectable and a serial loser! 1) Lost the GE 2) Lost hundreds of councillors 3) Currently polling at 19% 4) 4th in Euro elections with 14% 5) Under investigation by ECHR 6) Haemorrhaging Leave votes in all areas 7) Etc π
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 9, 2019 21:18:22 GMT
Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......?? I thought YouGov were the most accurate and respected or do I have it wrong? They predicted a hung parliament in 2017. www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/yougov-poll-predicting-hung-parliament-brave π
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:33:52 GMT
In the final days leading up to the election yes, but in the months beforehand they had the Conservative lead over Labour at anything between 16-23%........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:41:14 GMT
Amazing how it's only ever YouGov polls that are quoted, not ComRes or some of the others that have had Labour leading on a regular basis. I wonder why the company founded by Tories Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi are always keen to show The Conservatives in a strong position......?? With the greatest respect, do you honestly believe Corbyn has a chance of winning the next GE? The truth is, heβs unelectable and a serial loser! 1) Lost the GE 2) Lost hundreds of councillors 3) Currently polling at 19% 4) 4th in Euro elections with 14% 5) Under investigation by ECHR 6) Haemorrhaging Leave votes in all areas 7) Etc π Yes he could win an election. 1) The Tories called an election because they thought they'd gain a massive majority, Labour did far better than anyone predicted. 2) Council elections and General Elections are like chalk and cheese. 3) No they're not, the last ComRes poll has them at 30%, Opinium 28% and Deltapoll 25%, you're merely quoting YouGov yet again. 4) They were actually 3rd, the Tories were 5th by the way. 5) The antisemitism "crisis" gets more ridiculous by the day. 6) Depending on what happens with Brexit it could be a game changer for all parties not just Labour.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 21:58:22 GMT
With the greatest respect, do you honestly believe Corbyn has a chance of winning the next GE? The truth is, heβs unelectable and a serial loser! 1) Lost the GE 2) Lost hundreds of councillors 3) Currently polling at 19% 4) 4th in Euro elections with 14% 5) Under investigation by ECHR 6) Haemorrhaging Leave votes in all areas 7) Etc π Yes he could win an election. 1) The Tories called an election because they thought they'd gain a massive majority, Labour did far better than anyone predicted. 2) Council elections and General Elections are like chalk and cheese. 3) No they're not, the last ComRes poll has them at 30%, Opinium 28% and Deltapoll 25%, you're merely quoting YouGov yet again. 4) They were actually 3rd, the Tories were 5th by the way. 5) The antisemitism "crisis" gets more ridiculous by the day. 6) Depending on what happens with Brexit it could be a game changer for all parties not just Labour. I do think it could be a game changer come November, as for the antisemitism it is a massive problem. My own MP states JC is racist!!! and cant stand him. I'm told there is a plot to oust him and it will be sooner rather than later. He's been sent several letters warning him about his stance and are open letters viewable online. Both main parties have issues and it's only my opinion but Labour have the most to lose. It would not surprise me if the party split leaving Jezzer with his momentum group and moderate Labour breaking away. As a Labour voter I'm positive Labour will not win a GE in their current form. They have no credibility on anything atm, they change everyday, I don't know what they stand for. The Tories are at their weakest but Labour are just piss poor and not an alternative. The front bench are just laughable and scare me more than Boris.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
Yes he could win an election. 1) The Tories called an election because they thought they'd gain a massive majority, Labour did far better than anyone predicted. 2) Council elections and General Elections are like chalk and cheese. 3) No they're not, the last ComRes poll has them at 30%, Opinium 28% and Deltapoll 25%, you're merely quoting YouGov yet again. 4) They were actually 3rd, the Tories were 5th by the way. 5) The antisemitism "crisis" gets more ridiculous by the day. 6) Depending on what happens with Brexit it could be a game changer for all parties not just Labour. I do think it could be a game changer come November, as for the antisemitism it is a massive problem. My own MP states JC is racist!!! and cant stand him. I'm told there is a plot to oust him and it will be sooner rather than later. He's been sent several letters warning him about his stance and are open letters viewable online. Both main parties have issues and it's only my opinion but Labour have the most to lose. It would not surprise me if the party split leaving Jezzer with his momentum group and moderate Labour breaking away. As a Labour voter I'm positive Labour will not win a GE in their current form. They have no credibility on anything atm, they change everyday, I don't know what they stand for. The Tories are at their weakest but Labour are just piss poor and not an alternative. The front bench are just laughable and scare me more than Boris. Come a general election the average voter won't even give antisemitism a second thought, that's the reality. You say a massive problem, I say it's 0.06% of a membership of over 500,000. One incident is too many, but the facts are that antisemitism is more prevalent on the right not just in the UK but across Europe. I wouldn't predict anything whilst the issue of Brexit is still hanging in the air, but to say Labour can't win the next election is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Whether they could get a majority to govern would be another question.......
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 22:13:24 GMT
I do think it could be a game changer come November, as for the antisemitism it is a massive problem. My own MP states JC is racist!!! and cant stand him. I'm told there is a plot to oust him and it will be sooner rather than later. He's been sent several letters warning him about his stance and are open letters viewable online. Both main parties have issues and it's only my opinion but Labour have the most to lose. It would not surprise me if the party split leaving Jezzer with his momentum group and moderate Labour breaking away. As a Labour voter I'm positive Labour will not win a GE in their current form. They have no credibility on anything atm, they change everyday, I don't know what they stand for. The Tories are at their weakest but Labour are just piss poor and not an alternative. The front bench are just laughable and scare me more than Boris. Come a general election the average voter won't even give antisemitism a second thought, that's the reality. You say a massive problem, I say it's 0.06% of a membership of over 500,000. One incident is too many, but the facts are that antisemitism is more prevalent on the right not just in the UK but across Europe. I wouldn't predict anything whilst the issue of Brexit is still hanging in the air, but to say Labour can't win the next election is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Whether they could get a majority to govern would be another question....... Might be small % But the most vocal and extreme % my MP has 24hr security and is unable to go out in public!!! Why is it nonesence it's my opinion? of course they could win but I don't think they can win, I didn't say can't did I.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:16:27 GMT
Come a general election the average voter won't even give antisemitism a second thought, that's the reality. You say a massive problem, I say it's 0.06% of a membership of over 500,000. One incident is too many, but the facts are that antisemitism is more prevalent on the right not just in the UK but across Europe. I wouldn't predict anything whilst the issue of Brexit is still hanging in the air, but to say Labour can't win the next election is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Whether they could get a majority to govern would be another question....... Might be small % But the most vocal and extreme % my MP has 24hr security and is unable to go out in public!!! Why is it nonesence it's my opinion? of course they could win but I don't think they can win, I didn't say can't did I. Who's your MP?
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 22:17:47 GMT
Might be small % But the most vocal and extreme % my MP has 24hr security and is unable to go out in public!!! Why is it nonesence it's my opinion? of course they could win but I don't think they can win, I didn't say can't did I. Who's your MP? Ruth Smeeth.
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2019 22:20:54 GMT
With the greatest respect, do you honestly believe Corbyn has a chance of winning the next GE? The truth is, heβs unelectable and a serial loser! 1) Lost the GE 2) Lost hundreds of councillors 3) Currently polling at 19% 4) 4th in Euro elections with 14% 5) Under investigation by ECHR 6) Haemorrhaging Leave votes in all areas 7) Etc π Yes he could win an election. 1) The Tories called an election because they thought they'd gain a massive majority, Labour did far better than anyone predicted. 2) Council elections and General Elections are like chalk and cheese. 3) No they're not, the last ComRes poll has them at 30%, Opinium 28% and Deltapoll 25%, you're merely quoting YouGov yet again. 4) They were actually 3rd, the Tories were 5th by the way. 5) The antisemitism "crisis" gets more ridiculous by the day. 6) Depending on what happens with Brexit it could be a game changer for all parties not just Labour. It was the shambolic performances of Theresa May that lost votes rather than Corbyns stella performance gaining them 'Strong and stable' ...
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 22:27:35 GMT
Might be small % But the most vocal and extreme % my MP has 24hr security and is unable to go out in public!!! Why is it nonesence it's my opinion? of course they could win but I don't think they can win, I didn't say can't did I. Who's your MP? Just for clarity she also said "The Labour party are institutionally racist" end quote. And I'm pretty sure as a Jewish Labour MP she should know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:31:12 GMT
Aah good old Ruth, former director of BICOM, Labour Friend of Israel and Corbyn hater. One of a number of MP's who's weaponising antisemitism to get rid of Corbyn, it stinks......
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 22:40:41 GMT
Aah good old Ruth, former director of BICOM, Labour Friend of Israel and Corbyn hater. One of a number of MP's who's weaponising antisemitism to get rid of Corbyn, it stinks...... Is that an opinion or fact? now who's talking nonesence π I assume her opinion is invalidated now then. Sounds like you're trying to belittle her view regarding antisemitism or do you know better. Let's try not to name drop or should I bring the IRA,Venezuela and Hamas into the chat? Just because who's said it does not make it wrong. I've no reason to take sides but I tend to believe her rather than you no disrespect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:03:35 GMT
Aah good old Ruth, former director of BICOM, Labour Friend of Israel and Corbyn hater. One of a number of MP's who's weaponising antisemitism to get rid of Corbyn, it stinks...... Is that an opinion or fact? now who's talking nonesence π I assume her opinion is invalidated now then. Sounds like you're trying to belittle her view regarding antisemitism or do you know better. Let's try not to name drop or should I bring the IRA,Venezuela and Hamas into the chat? Just because who's said it does not make it wrong. I've no reason to take sides but I tend to believe her than you no disrespect. I'm not trying to belittle anyone, merely looking at the facts as I see them and not relying on what I get told on the BBC or in the daily rags. You believe who you want to believe, I personally would wonder why an MP for Stoke-on-Trent needs regular donations from the likes of Trevor Chinn and Poju Zabludowicz? Why do so many MP's (usually the ones that do everything in their power to derail Corbyn as leader) spend so much time dealing with Zionist lobbyists and organisations when ordinary folk are struggling to make ends meet and don't give a shit about Israel or Zionism. She'd rather see the Tories in power than Labour under Corbyn, that's the long and short of it......
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 23:20:28 GMT
Is that an opinion or fact? now who's talking nonesence π I assume her opinion is invalidated now then. Sounds like you're trying to belittle her view regarding antisemitism or do you know better. Let's try not to name drop or should I bring the IRA,Venezuela and Hamas into the chat? Just because who's said it does not make it wrong. I've no reason to take sides but I tend to believe her than you no disrespect. I'm not trying to belittle anyone, merely looking at the facts as I see them and not relying on what I get told on the BBC or in the daily rags. You believe who you want to believe, I personally would wonder why an MP for Stoke-on-Trent needs regular donations from the likes of Trevor Chinn and Poju Zabludowicz? Why do so many MP's (usually the ones that do everything in their power to derail Corbyn as leader) spend so much time dealing with Zionist lobbyists and organisations when ordinary folk are struggling to make ends meet and don't give a shit about Israel or Zionism. She'd rather see the Tories in power than Labour under Corbyn, that's the long and short of it...... She told me to my face when I met her albeit her side of the story, what im relating to you is a factual conversation. What facts are you on about? sounds like opinions to me. You said one incident is too many now it stinks which is it? Again it's personal not factual you judge on who gets what from whom,where does JC get his money from and does it matter really? Racism is racism be that one incident or hundreds or are you saying it dunna count because of money and who it's aimed at!! You and i dont know the full story but you are on the "bullshit" side because of what you are told and read no facts at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:23:02 GMT
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, merely looking at the facts as I see them and not relying on what I get told on the BBC or in the daily rags. You believe who you want to believe, I personally would wonder why an MP for Stoke-on-Trent needs regular donations from the likes of Trevor Chinn and Poju Zabludowicz? Why do so many MP's (usually the ones that do everything in their power to derail Corbyn as leader) spend so much time dealing with Zionist lobbyists and organisations when ordinary folk are struggling to make ends meet and don't give a shit about Israel or Zionism. She'd rather see the Tories in power than Labour under Corbyn, that's the long and short of it...... She told me to my face when I met her albeit her side of the story, what im relating to you is a factual conversation. What facts are you on about? sounds like opinions to me. You said one incident is too many now it stinks which is it? Again it's personal not factual you judge on who gets what from whom,where does JC get his money from and does it matter really? Racism is racism be that one incident or hundreds or are you saying it dunna count because of money and who it's aimed at!! You and i dont know the full story but you are on the "bullshit" side because of what you are told and read no facts at all. That makes no sense. Anyway time for bed.......
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 23:42:26 GMT
She told me to my face when I met her albeit her side of the story, what im relating to you is a factual conversation. What facts are you on about? sounds like opinions to me. You said one incident is too many now it stinks which is it? Again it's personal not factual you judge on who gets what from whom,where does JC get his money from and does it matter really? Racism is racism be that one incident or hundreds or are you saying it dunna count because of money and who it's aimed at!! You and i dont know the full story but you are on the "bullshit" side because of what you are told and read no facts at all. That makes no sense. Anyway time for bed....... Ah that old chestnut it must be late and it makes no sence. You don't like antisemitism but when it's a Jewish MP saying it it stinks!! and she's making it up to get rid of Corbyn . She would prefer the Tories than Corbyn fact? You prefer your view based on the facts as you see them, what facts? You get personal with a person and accuse with no basis of fact. You deflect with friend of Israel jibe when JC has worse associations. You say you don't rely on the BBC or rags but my face to face meeting is less factual than yours,Although I assume you've read and been told your facts I'm sure straight from the horses mouth!! So all your points are facts mine are nonesence opinion. Mmmmmmm...... night mate.
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