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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Apr 11, 2024 21:28:28 GMT
What will be the point of continuing? They're already on their arses in terms of advertising revenue and the Tories are their biggest customer. And besides they'll serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever to their owners who prop it up, if the Tories aren't in power. Any sign of Johnson's promised show coming to GB News any time soon ? The channel is full of utter wankers but I'm sure there's room for one more.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 11, 2024 21:31:05 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 6:20:19 GMT
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwpWhat has our society come to? The government forces a carer, who saves the tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds by being an unpaid carer, to sell his home for a mistake on a form worth 30p a week. That carer becomes suicidal after being dragged through the courts and is now homeless after being forced to sell his home, so now costs the tax payer £1300 a month in benefits to house him etc as his life has been utterly ruined. Had he been dodging tax using a tax haven he would have been ignored. I have seen on other threads people who typically support the right wing parties and come out in defence of the tories complain about two tier policing of Muslims compared with football fans. What about two tiered treatment of tax dodgers v benefit claimants? One is almost lauded for being clever, the other hounded until they lose everything and try and kill themselves. One is rich, one poor. Anyone dubious of what I am saying should read the above article before responding. It is awful how the tories treat the vulnerable people in this country. In fact I would go as far as to say it is the single worst thing about them as a party. They really are the nasty party. Perhaps Labour will be the same. They certainly protected the vulnerable under Blair - Sure Start as a good example, and look at NHS waiting times compared with under the tories!
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Post by phileetin on Apr 12, 2024 9:27:55 GMT
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwpWhat has our society come to? The government forces a carer, who saves the tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds by being an unpaid carer, to sell his home for a mistake on a form worth 30p a week. That carer becomes suicidal after being dragged through the courts and is now homeless after being forced to sell his home, so now costs the tax payer £1300 a month in benefits to house him etc as his life has been utterly ruined. Had he been dodging tax using a tax haven he would have been ignored. I have seen on other threads people who typically support the right wing parties and come out in defence of the tories complain about two tier policing of Muslims compared with football fans. What about two tiered treatment of tax dodgers v benefit claimants? One is almost lauded for being clever, the other hounded until they lose everything and try and kill themselves. One is rich, one poor. Anyone dubious of what I am saying should read the above article before responding. It is awful how the tories treat the vulnerable people in this country. In fact I would go as far as to say it is the single worst thing about them as a party. They really are the nasty party. Perhaps Labour will be the same. They certainly protected the vulnerable under Blair - Sure Start as a good example, and look at NHS waiting times compared with under the tories!
Angela certainly is by everybody in the labour party except SIR kier ?
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 9:32:26 GMT
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwpWhat has our society come to? The government forces a carer, who saves the tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds by being an unpaid carer, to sell his home for a mistake on a form worth 30p a week. That carer becomes suicidal after being dragged through the courts and is now homeless after being forced to sell his home, so now costs the tax payer £1300 a month in benefits to house him etc as his life has been utterly ruined. Had he been dodging tax using a tax haven he would have been ignored. I have seen on other threads people who typically support the right wing parties and come out in defence of the tories complain about two tier policing of Muslims compared with football fans. What about two tiered treatment of tax dodgers v benefit claimants? One is almost lauded for being clever, the other hounded until they lose everything and try and kill themselves. One is rich, one poor. Anyone dubious of what I am saying should read the above article before responding. It is awful how the tories treat the vulnerable people in this country. In fact I would go as far as to say it is the single worst thing about them as a party. They really are the nasty party. Perhaps Labour will be the same. They certainly protected the vulnerable under Blair - Sure Start as a good example, and look at NHS waiting times compared with under the tories! Angela certainly is by everybody in the labour party except SIR kier ?
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2024 9:53:35 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 10:42:53 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I disagree about her being incredibly thick. She has risen to the top despite having none of the silver spoons in her mouth of most MPs. I don’t think someone incredibly thick can do that else wouldn’t they all? Whether or not she is a nasty piece of work is a matter of opinion.
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Post by phileetin on Apr 12, 2024 11:06:03 GMT
Angela certainly is by everybody in the labour party except SIR kier ?
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? i was shocked that a deaf heroin addict had the funds to buy the drug.
i suppose there could be more to the story if you dig deeper into it without the slant solely being on 30p error.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? i was shocked that a deaf heroin addict had the funds to buy the drug. i suppose there could be more to the story if you dig deeper into it without the slant solely being on 30p error.
So your takeaway from it was shock at a heroin addict who is deaf being able to afford drugs. You are utterly heartless.
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Post by gawa on Apr 12, 2024 11:28:16 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories.
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Post by knype on Apr 12, 2024 11:34:19 GMT
Angela certainly is by everybody in the labour party except SIR kier ?
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? Should she resign ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 12, 2024 11:44:22 GMT
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? Should she resign ?
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 12:52:24 GMT
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? Should she resign ? If she is found guilty of committing a criminal offence then yes. If she has not paid enough tax, no, she should apologise, pay what she owes together with penalties and interest and costs etc and move on. Should Hunt resign for his tax affairs? Amazing how Knype and Philteen’s comments on an article about as grave a miscarriage of justice as any of the individual sub post masters found criminally liable by Royal Mail is to bring it back to Angela Rayner’s alleged £2k she owes in tax.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 12:53:41 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories. But she may not have done anything wrong.
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Post by gawa on Apr 12, 2024 13:16:12 GMT
I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories. But she may not have done anything wrong. Nadeem Zahawi and his father were found to do nothing "deliberatley" wrong despite descending from his grandfather who used to be the governor of the central Bank of Iraq. I'm pretty sure they knew exactly what they were doing. No doubt an investigation will find she also didn't do anything "deliberately" wrong. The thing is I've had family sell a council house and pay capital gains on the profit and as part of the process there are a number of things you have to fill in with your solicitor in relation to whether it was your primary residency and such. Any solicitor worth their weight would have made it clear what it means for it to be your primary residency. If Angela still said it was hers primary residency, when it wasn't despite solicitors advise, then that's on her. Of course though it could have been her primary residency but if it was then why the silence? Why not speak out and make that clear and refute the smears. So I wouldn't be surprised if she did wrong. But just like with Zahawi I'm prepared that any investigation will no doubt find it wasn't deliberate.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 12, 2024 13:49:20 GMT
Tory tactic number 2 sling mud and complain to the police to create a smokescreen for ell your bribes incompetent behaviour and lies
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 12, 2024 13:52:02 GMT
Tory playbook number 1 resort to personal attacks
Playbook number 3 nick labour policies
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Post by wannabee on Apr 12, 2024 13:56:00 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories. You say it yourself in your post IF she hasn't paid Tax due, she has said she has no liability and at the time of her Tax Return she received Tax Advice. The only one saying she has evaded Tax is Lord Ashcroft in his book which the Mail are serialising. Ashcroft has little credibility when he lied for 7 years as a Minister about his Non Dom status saving himself more than £100 Million in Tax Various Tax Experts have calculated that Rayner MAY owe £1500 but that would be NIl If for instance if she made repairs to the Property like a new kitchen which she bought for herself and her son when she was a Single Mother working as a Carer And what of the credibility of the Mail who carried a previous smear campaign against Rayner by Glen Owen Conservative MP that Rayner was deliberately disturbing Bozo's Johnson at the Dispatch Box by crossing and uncrossing her legs. What should have been published then Bozo's Jockeys? There is no requirement for UK MPs to publish their Tax Records, perhaps there should be, some do so voluntarily. You mail remember a previous case where an MP in fact the Chancellor of the Exchequer had some difficulties with his Tax Affairs, it wasn't reported widely in the Mail so some members on here may have missed it. Government Minister after Government Minister were queuing up to defend Zahawi saying he or any Minister shouldn't have to publish their Tax Returns Zahawi had apparently overlooked telling Rishi that he was being investigated by HMRC when he was appointed Chancellor i.e. the Boss of HMRC After many weeks of obfuscation Zahawi published a summary of his Tax Return which showed Zahawi had received £27 Million and paid no Tax, HMRC deemed his "Error" careless but not deliberate but assessed him £4.8 Million in unpaid Taxes including Penalties. Rishi then promptly sacked him, not for evading Taxes but for lying to Rishi about it.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 12, 2024 14:07:54 GMT
I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories. You say it yourself in your post IF she hasn't paid Tax due, she has said she has no liability and at the time of her Tax Return she received Tax Advice. The only one saying she has evaded Tax is Lord Ashcroft in his book which the Mail are serialising. Ashcroft has little credibility when he lied for 7 years as a Minister about his Non Dom status saving himself more than £100 Million in Tax Various Tax Experts have calculated that Rayner MAY owe £1500 but that would be NIl If for instance if she made repairs to the Property like a new kitchen which she bought for herself and her son when she was a Single Mother working as a Carer And what of the credibility of the Mail who carried a previous smear campaign against Rayner by Glen Owen Conservative MP that Rayner was deliberately disturbing Bozo's Johnson at the Dispatch Box by crossing and uncrossing her legs. What should have been published then Bozo's Jockeys? There is no requirement for UK MPs to publish their Tax Records, perhaps there should be, some do so voluntarily. You mail remember a previous case where an MP in fact the Chancellor of the Exchequer had some difficulties with his Tax Affairs, it wasn't reported widely in the Mail so some members on here may have missed it. Government Minister after Government Minister were queuing up to defend Zahawi saying he or any Minister shouldn't have to publish their Tax Returns Zahawi had apparently overlooked telling Rishi that he was being investigated by HMRC when he was appointed Chancellor i.e. the Boss of HMRC After many weeks of obfuscation Zahawi published a summary of his Tax Return which showed Zahawi had received £27 Million and paid no Tax, HMRC deemed his "Error" careless but not deliberate but assessed him £4.8 Million in unpaid Taxes including Penalties. Rishi then promptly sacked him, not for evading Taxes but for lying to Rishi about it. Meanwhile Viscount Rothermere, worth an estimated £750m and owner of the Mail through a Bermuda shell company claims non dom status because his father lived in Paris yet himself resides Ferne Park, a stately home in Wiltshire built for him by architect Quinlan Terry.
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Post by gawa on Apr 12, 2024 14:09:29 GMT
Tommy and Calvin Robinson don't seem to be fans of Reform
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 12, 2024 14:28:48 GMT
Tommy and Calvin Robinson don't seem to be fans of Reform Isn’t Tommy Robinson a millionaire that lives in Spain? Not exactly my definition of a working class man either.
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 12, 2024 15:21:03 GMT
Tommy and Calvin Robinson don't seem to be fans of Reform Isn’t Tommy Robinson a millionaire that lives in Spain? Not exactly my definition of a working class man either. Do you have to be working class to care about the working class?
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Post by stokeson on Apr 12, 2024 15:38:35 GMT
No you dont. Recently read "Argumentsfor Socialism" by Tony Benn. Benns faith in the capacity of ordinary people to govern themselves emerges here as the most attractive feature of the politics of a man so often caricatured by the popular press as Labours major threat to democracy and freedom. (David Coats Literary review) Sound familiar?
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 12, 2024 15:42:57 GMT
No you dont. Recently read "Argumentsfor Socialism" by Tony Benn. Benns faith in the capacity of ordinary people to govern themselves emerges here as the most attractive feature of the politics of a man so often caricatured by the popular press as Labours major threat to democracy and freedom. (David Coats Literary review) Sound familiar? Are you talking to me?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 12, 2024 15:45:24 GMT
Isn’t Tommy Robinson a millionaire that lives in Spain? Not exactly my definition of a working class man either. Do you have to be working class to care about the working class? No (actually, yes, mostly probably) but if you are going to say that people don’t care about the working class purely because they are part of some elite, it’s a bit stupid to be a rich man living off-shores, I.e., one of those very same elite that don’t care purely because they are elite.
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 12, 2024 15:47:11 GMT
Do you have to be working class to care about the working class? No (actually, yes, mostly probably) but if you are going to say that people don’t care about the working class purely because they are part of some elite, it’s a bit stupid to be a rich man living off-shores, I.e., one of those very same elite that don’t care purely because they are elite. I think you are massively overstating Tommy Robinsons level of eliteness.
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Post by stokeson on Apr 12, 2024 15:48:47 GMT
No you dont. Recently read "Argumentsfor Socialism" by Tony Benn. Benns faith in the capacity of ordinary people to govern themselves emerges here as the most attractive feature of the politics of a man so often caricatured by the popular press as Labours major threat to democracy and freedom. (David Coats Literary review) Sound familiar? Are you talking to me? Sorry November missed putting it in thr box.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 12, 2024 15:49:34 GMT
No (actually, yes, mostly probably) but if you are going to say that people don’t care about the working class purely because they are part of some elite, it’s a bit stupid to be a rich man living off-shores, I.e., one of those very same elite that don’t care purely because they are elite. I think you are massively overstating Tommy Robinsons level of eliteness. He’s a millionaire living abroad. How much more elite do you need to be?
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 12, 2024 15:49:56 GMT
Sorry November missed putting it in thr box. Ok. You'll have to dumb it down then for me pal. And quit with the innuendo just say what you mean.
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 12, 2024 15:55:45 GMT
I think you are massively overstating Tommy Robinsons level of eliteness. He’s a millionaire living abroad. How much more elite do you need to be? If Lineker posted the same thing he'd get a million likes. If you think Tommy Robinson has an ounce of influence at the table then, to quote you, I hope you like the taste of sand. I'm no fan but to suggest he's part of the elite shitehawks that have thier foot on the throat of the WC is fucking bollocks.
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