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Post by toppercorner on Jan 25, 2023 14:19:00 GMT
Wait, rich people hold stocks in companies? Shocking! It's meant to be a blind trust, and there is a conflict of interests if he's in the position to award companies contracts where he can gain financially.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 25, 2023 14:30:10 GMT
Wait, rich people hold stocks in companies? Shocking! It's meant to be a blind trust, and there is a conflict of interests if he's in the position to award companies contracts where he can gain financially. “He left the firm in 2013, returning to the UK to pursue his political career.” “A year ago, Sunak declared in the list of ministers’ interests that he was the beneficiary of a blind trust” But most importantly: “Theleme is reported to have invested in Moderna before the company was listed on the Nasdaq stock exchange in 2018” Wait…they invested in it 5 years after he left and one year before the Covid pandemic? I wonder if they’ll add as much of a nothing story to all the stocks that he likely invested in that also went down the pan?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 14:35:01 GMT
Wait, rich people hold stocks in companies? Shocking! Do you think MP's should be allowed to hold shares in companies whose success or otherwise may be dependent on legislation passed by those MP's? Is that fair on companies they're competing with? Doesn't such a policy introduce a risk that said MP's might favour passing legislation that's better for the company concerned than it is for the general public that they're paid to serve?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 25, 2023 14:47:39 GMT
Wait, rich people hold stocks in companies? Shocking! Do you think MP's should be allowed to hold shares in companies whose success or otherwise may be dependent on legislation passed by those MP's? Is that fair on companies they're competing with? Doesn't such a policy introduce a risk that said MP's might favour passing legislation that's better for the company concerned than it is for the general public that they're paid to serve? As stated in that article, he was in a blind trust. Short of that, what would you expect MPs to do? Relinquish all stock options prior to signing up?
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 25, 2023 14:49:33 GMT
here we go
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 14:52:53 GMT
Do you think MP's should be allowed to hold shares in companies whose success or otherwise may be dependent on legislation passed by those MP's? Is that fair on companies they're competing with? Doesn't such a policy introduce a risk that said MP's might favour passing legislation that's better for the company concerned than it is for the general public that they're paid to serve? As stated in that article, he was in a blind trust. Short of that, what would you expect MPs to do? Relinquish all stock options prior to signing up? You don't think there's a danger of a conflict of interest if they don't? I expect the people taking my money to run the country to do so for the benefit of the people they're being paid by, not to further their own personal financial gain.
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 25, 2023 14:56:33 GMT
It's meant to be a blind trust, and there is a conflict of interests if he's in the position to award companies contracts where he can gain financially. “He left the firm in 2013, returning to the UK to pursue his political career.” “A year ago, Sunak declared in the list of ministers’ interests that he was the beneficiary of a blind trust” But most importantly: “Theleme is reported to have invested in Moderna before the company was listed on the Nasdaq stock exchange in 2018” Wait…they invested in it 5 years after he left and one year before the Covid pandemic? I wonder if they’ll add as much of a nothing story to all the stocks that he likely invested in that also went down the pan? Is this the same Rishi who had to have the information about him being a US green card holder surgically extracted? The same Rishi who wouldn't speak about his father in laws direct ties with Putin, and his wife's non-dom status? the very same rishi who failed to register Infosys in the members interest book? Yes, he's done such a good job of telling the truth, he's such a trustworthy guy. Well done him. He's a spiv who has ruined this country, and anyone who believes a word he says needs their head looking at.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 14:58:52 GMT
I can't for the life of me see why simply saying "no" would be considered private, saying "yes" on the other hand ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 25, 2023 15:00:53 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 25, 2023 15:17:52 GMT
As stated in that article, he was in a blind trust. Short of that, what would you expect MPs to do? Relinquish all stock options prior to signing up? You don't think there's a danger of a conflict of interest if they don't? I expect the people taking my money to run the country to do so for the benefit of the people they're being paid by, not to further their own personal financial gain. Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:21:25 GMT
And to think he's a teacher too. Very bold comment to suggest every asylum seeker arrived illegally too, and should be reminded that under the tories 78% of asylum applications are successful at the initial stage. Man's an absolute plonker and miles out of his depth. Fits in well with the current parcel of rogues. I can't wait for the day he can no longer embarrass this city. He's up and down out of his seat in parliament every five minutes it seems, probably the only exercise he gets, rarely gets chosen to speak, unsurprisingly. Do you know what, it doesn't surprise in the slightest that Gullis thinks this ... he's the very embodiment of the worst our society has to offer but the fact that he think it's actually 'clever' to make this type of heckle in public, in the HOC, demonstrates clearly, how utterly stupid he is. I kind of think he's going to end up seriously regretting having done this.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 15:35:16 GMT
You don't think there's a danger of a conflict of interest if they don't? I expect the people taking my money to run the country to do so for the benefit of the people they're being paid by, not to further their own personal financial gain. Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two.
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2023 15:39:25 GMT
Hold on a second here mate. Are you saying that rich MPs aren't allowed to evade tax too? How was he meant to know at the time of evading tax that he may become a PM in 5 years. cvillestokie am I doing a good job at deflecting and defending the wealthy? What's your defence for Owen Patterson? Geoffrey Cox? What about the 15 tory treasures who donated 3 million and all got peerages in the cash for honours scheme? Malcolm Offord? The money for JCB who Boris is now living rent free in the house of the CEO? The 4.3 billion in covid fraud written off? Michelle Mone? Boris loan for BBC chairman scheme? I think when it's an isolated incident you can of course overlook it and presume it's maybe a genuine mistake or oversight. When it's a new article instance of corruption every other week though, anyone trying to defend it or dismiss it, like yourself, just looks like a bubbling fool with the wool well and truly pulled over their eyes. You've got real form on this thread though for defending the weslthy elite. Whether it's intentional or not who knows, but it's pretty clear reading between the lines where you stand politically. How much scandal and corruption do you need to stop giving the benefit of the doubt to a party knee deep in controversy? And what I listed above is simply scratching the surface of the stuff which has entered the public domain. This runs much much deeper. I
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 25, 2023 15:40:24 GMT
Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two. Why is there? Do believe that any politician goes into office for any reason other than their own ego/power grab/financial gain? Has any politician ever done that? Will there ever be a politician that does that? Who votes for politicians believing that they actually care about the public?!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:48:27 GMT
Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two. www.spotlightcorruption.org/blind-trusts-are-they-enough-to-avoid-conflicts-of-interest/
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2023 15:49:27 GMT
You don't think there's a danger of a conflict of interest if they don't? I expect the people taking my money to run the country to do so for the benefit of the people they're being paid by, not to further their own personal financial gain. Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. This is where you're in the minority. A lot of people in public service roles are in them due to the job satisfaction they receive through educating children, nursing the sick, keeping people safe from crime etc. Do you genuinely believe people go into nursing or teaching for the money? Lol. When you're a public servant your role is to serve the publics best interests. If you're interesting solely in financial gain then politics isn't for you.
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2023 15:50:48 GMT
There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two. Why is there? Do believe that any politician goes into office for any reason other than their own ego/power grab/financial gain? Has any politician ever done that? Will there ever be a politician that does that? Who votes for politicians believing that they actually care about the public?! Yep there are loads. You're so incredibly fickle it's unreal.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 25, 2023 16:00:40 GMT
It's meant to be a blind trust, and there is a conflict of interests if he's in the position to award companies contracts where he can gain financially. “He left the firm in 2013, returning to the UK to pursue his political career.” “A year ago, Sunak declared in the list of ministers’ interests that he was the beneficiary of a blind trust” But most importantly: “Theleme is reported to have invested in Moderna before the company was listed on the Nasdaq stock exchange in 2018” Wait…they invested in it 5 years after he left and one year before the Covid pandemic? I wonder if they’ll add as much of a nothing story to all the stocks that he likely invested in that also went down the pan? When you have previous for being "economical" about your and your wife's Financial Arrangements in the past. It's hardly surprising people might be sceptical
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Post by wannabee on Jan 25, 2023 16:02:09 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 16:02:25 GMT
There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two. Why is there? Do believe that any politician goes into office for any reason other than their own ego/power grab/financial gain? Has any politician ever done that? Will there ever be a politician that does that? Who votes for politicians believing that they actually care about the public?! Yes I do believe that some go into politics for more altruistic reasons than furthering their own gain, very few Tories, obviously. The first girlfriend I lived with was the daughter of the labour MP for Jarrow and Gateshead, he was involved in the Jarrow march and spent quite a few years as a union representative and local councillor, he was then MP for that area for 20 odd years, became Labour Chief whip and then a Lord. They had a nice enough house and weren't on the breadline but were hardly 'wealthy' as in needing to heat their horse's stables wealthy. I'm pretty sure his constituents voted for him believing he cared. Personally we didn't get on, I was in the RN and had more conservative leaning views at the time, that won't happen again.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 16:04:20 GMT
There's a difference between my motivations regarding my employment and employer and the employment of someone voted in by the public to serve the public. If they can't survive on an MPs salary and the associated expenses then they should find a job they can survive on. If a 'blind trust' means they don't know which companies they're invested in, and that can be proved beyond any doubt then fair enough, but their financial dealings or that of their spouses should never, ever, be allowed to impact their running of the country. Unlike one of our recent Prime Minister's in the form of Theresa May and her Drugs minister at the time Victoria Atkins to name but two. www.spotlightcorruption.org/blind-trusts-are-they-enough-to-avoid-conflicts-of-interest/Nice one Paul. "The present rules across the House of Lords, House of Commons and for Ministers (see table) do not offer consistent, specific and sufficiently detailed guidance on the establishment and use of blind trusts meaning that the current landscape for dealing with the arrangement is a hot-potch of different rules."
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 25, 2023 16:33:21 GMT
Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. This is where you're in the minority. A lot of people in public service roles are in them due to the job satisfaction they receive through educating children, nursing the sick, keeping people safe from crime etc. Do you genuinely believe people go into nursing or teaching for the money? Lol. When you're a public servant your role is to serve the publics best interests. If you're interesting solely in financial gain then politics isn't for you. Good thing I’m not in politics then, but I’ll never believe that a politician cares anything about me other than the vote I cast. As for your question on where I’d lie if I voted. I would likely vote Conservative in the UK on a tax standpoint. However, I’d struggle because I care deeply about climate change and Tories aren’t really interested in making that a priority. So, that would be a hard decision for me to be honest. On taxes, I would want to vote Republican when I eventually get US citizenship. However, their views on abortion and gun control are not for me, so I’d vote Democrat every time unless a strong independent ever came around that I felt could achieve something. It’s not like Labour haven’t been called into question about their own financial dealings in the past: www.businessinsider.com/labour-together-donations-under-investigation-by-electoral-commission-2021-2?ampEdit: to add to that, I was dead against Brexit and it was actually the reason I decided to leave the UK. I was fine with the first lockdown and I am a firm believer in vaccines. I don’t follow every issue along preset party lines or extremes from either side of the aisle. I think that there are plenty of scandals that should be investigated in the Tory party. With regards to lackluster wording on blind trusts? Has the wording changed since labour were last in power? Could they have not sought to strengthen the guidelines?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 17:48:30 GMT
Sunak has painted himself into a corner ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 25, 2023 18:54:16 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 25, 2023 19:09:29 GMT
We’re in a cost of living crisis, strikes galore, energy prices don’t seem to be changing anytime soon and we’re still paying well over the odds for everything including food and fuel - basics that we need to function in our society.
Yet here we are again talking about the Prime minister, his cabinet members and their nefarious acts. We shouldn’t be wasting time on sorting out someone avoiding tax or what they have/haven’t told their colleagues.
They should be sorting the issues out, we need some competent people in charge who aren’t just complete self-serving tosspots.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 25, 2023 19:33:36 GMT
You don't think there's a danger of a conflict of interest if they don't? I expect the people taking my money to run the country to do so for the benefit of the people they're being paid by, not to further their own personal financial gain. Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. If Sunak or any MP (or their family or close friends) has an interest in any business, that MP should have absolutely no say on any government contracts going to that business, else there is a conflict.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2023 19:52:23 GMT
Oh, do you go to work for the good of your employer? Not to further your own personal, financial gain? I mean, they pay you, right? I don’t. It’s also ridiculous to suggest that someone lose fortunes selling stocks early so that they can spend a short time in politics. If they do put it in a blind trust, that’s reasonable. If they don’t, they should be investigated. If you think it was Sunak who helped Moderna become a major player in the Covid vaccine business and not, for example, their successful clinical trial data, that’s up to you. If Sunak or any MP (or their family or close friends) has an interest in any business, that MP should have absolutely no say on any government contracts going to that business, else there is a conflict. Exactly this. And GW Pharma had a special 'research' license to grow medicinal cannabis in the UK. The only company allowed to do so legally and subsequently the biggest exporters of medical cannabis in the world. Grown by British Sugar, CEO of British Sugar was the husband of the drugs minister Victoria Atkins and GW Parma's biggest investor was a company called Capital Finance, by remarkable 'coincidence' Philip May, husband of Theresa, is one of their main investment managers. They subsequently got bought out for over 5 billion quid by Jazz Pharmaceuticals. I'm sure there's more examples like that, ludicrous to think they won't influence laws etc to benefit themselves.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2023 8:23:41 GMT
Can anyone help out the Tory supporting, pro-Brexit Daily Express on this one....it's probably asylum seekers....
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 26, 2023 8:53:59 GMT
Finally the post brexit farming subsidies are released: www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/26/details-long-awaited-farming-subsidies-overhaul-england-revealedOn the face of it, they seem good in that they offer subsidies to farmers who use a host of different environmentally friendly farming methods or use of land. Farmers will have to comment on it once it is up and running. One concern I have is one I continually have with this government. They are too scared to regulate. So there is reliance on individual farmers taking up the subsidies. To my mind, the larger farms over a certain size which dominate the mass produce market and have put many small local farms out of business (particularly since brexit) should have no choice but to farm sustainably and in an environmentally friendly way. But at least farmers now have some guidance to follow after many years of costly and unnecessary brexit uncertainty.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 26, 2023 8:55:55 GMT
Can anyone help out the Tory supporting, pro-Brexit Daily Express on this one....it's probably asylum seekers.... Gas lighting of the highest order. The Daily Express is partially responsible for the situation in this country and should be financially accountable for the hatred they promote.
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