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Post by wannabee on May 24, 2023 13:34:12 GMT
I work at a Russel group university. At a recent meeting our pro-vice chancellor informed us that the university loses £2000/annum per home student. This shortfall is basically met by the fees paid by international students who pay up to £23k a year instead of £9k. The business plan of our and most other unis is to keep on increasing student numbers, with the bulk of this expansion aimed at attracting international students. If you're able to share great but don't feel obliged Looking at things from a purely financial aspect I fully understand the importance of Foreign Students to the Budgets of Universities. I have seen a figure of £26Bn contribution mentioned with a target to increase that to £35Bn. Quite how this ambition is squared with an ambition to reduce net migration I'm not sure or I haven't seen any plan to increase infrastructure e.g. Housing, Hospitals etc etc My question if you feel you can answer is given the number of places Universities reserve for Foreign Students are there sufficient places for UK places particularly in areas like Medicine, Dentistry, Science etc My sense is there is not and I realise it's very expensive to train say a Doctor and using a blended Policy and supplement by Overseas Recruitment My further sense it that figures being bandied about that the majority of Foreign Students return soon after graduation Is based on historical patterns when up to 31st December 2020 a large proportion of Foreign Students were from EU. Changes to Visa regulations which now allow up to two years residence after graduation to find employment may skew that figure substantially Personally I'm very much in favour of immigration but an honest debate needs to had but more importantly proper joined up planning needs to occur. I doubt most who voted Brexit had in mind an increase to net migration (excluding Ukraine and HK) quite frankly I'm not entirely sure what they voted for.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 13:40:11 GMT
Oh please let it be true ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 24, 2023 13:58:39 GMT
I work at a Russel group university. At a recent meeting our pro-vice chancellor informed us that the university loses £2000/annum per home student. This shortfall is basically met by the fees paid by international students who pay up to £23k a year instead of £9k. The business plan of our and most other unis is to keep on increasing student numbers, with the bulk of this expansion aimed at attracting international students. My missus works at the University of Manchester, they'd be in serious trouble if there was any significant drop in the number of international students...........
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Post by phileetin on May 24, 2023 14:30:11 GMT
lots of vacant accommodation , housing crisis solved
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 24, 2023 14:36:33 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 24, 2023 14:39:48 GMT
Unfortunately though we don't have quite as much influence as the likes of the daily mail do. And like it or not we have to accept that for the time being. What is your limit on net migration with the public services and infrastructure we currently have and taking into account the investment needed to get them up to a standard to support the current population. You have to have a limit somewhere. I'm sorry mate, I'll just be repeating myself now. Just because the DM have greater influence than you and I, doesn't then mean we have to concede the point to them and no we don't have to simply accept it at all. In answer to your question, there are plenty of experts out there that are far better placed to give you an answer to that. It's a complicated subject, I'm simply advocating a principle. But your argument was based around how much money immigrants bring in. Not how much money dependants of international students bring in. The debate has been twisted into talking about a type of immigrant different from the one described in the original video clip. And the argument you've used doesn't apply to the type of person being discussed. Starmer has literally just spent PMQs lambasting the tories on the net migration figures due to be released tomorrow. He referenced some of the recently added jobs for visas (builders, carpenters, tilers, plasterers) and the fact that employers hiring outside of the UK for these roles can offer 20% below the going rate in the UK. This drives down the wages in these sectors and prioritises cheap labour immigrated in over labour in the country. Now off course there will be reasons for this and there may be genuine shortages and it needs to be done. But then the apprenticeship fund setup has over half the money not yet spent. Why? Well why would a business want to train a young person who is less skilled and will end up costing them more long term when they can get an immigrant in earning 20% below the going rate and with alot more experience. That's not a long term fix. That's a sticking plaster. And who benefits? Business owners whose expenses go down and profits go up. Personally I'm not convinced that the current model is as sustainable as you think. Clearly I'm in the minority by thinking net migration increasing 2 fold in an already densely populated country is something we need to curb. So I'll ask again, how many 2 fold increases is too much? Or at which limit does it need an expert opinion because at over 650k that's OK to you. I figure the reason people don't want to answer this and are ducking and avoiding it is because it's much easier to play good cop and say yes to everything. But you can't then come into the thread tomorrow and be critical of net migration numbers when they're released and criticise the tories for it getting out of control after spending today putting no argument towards curbing the numbers in any shape or form. Starmer has went on the offensive with it during PMQs today. And some of the stuff above I wasn't aware of until I listened to him. I think attacking the tories who have traditionally been anti immigration on these out of control numbers will help Starmer garner support. Defending it on the other hand I don't think will. Enjoying the debate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 24, 2023 14:45:14 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 24, 2023 14:50:21 GMT
I work at a Russel group university. At a recent meeting our pro-vice chancellor informed us that the university loses £2000/annum per home student. This shortfall is basically met by the fees paid by international students who pay up to £23k a year instead of £9k. The business plan of our and most other unis is to keep on increasing student numbers, with the bulk of this expansion aimed at attracting international students. My missus works at the University of Manchester, they'd be in serious trouble if there was any significant drop in the number of international students........... Would they be in trouble if there was a significant drop in dependants of international students? There were 16k dependants in 2019 compared to 135k in 2022. That is an 8 fold increase without the latest figures yet released.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 15:28:21 GMT
I'm sorry mate, I'll just be repeating myself now. Just because the DM have greater influence than you and I, doesn't then mean we have to concede the point to them and no we don't have to simply accept it at all. In answer to your question, there are plenty of experts out there that are far better placed to give you an answer to that. It's a complicated subject, I'm simply advocating a principle. But your argument was based around how much money immigrants bring in. Not how much money dependants of international students bring in. The debate has been twisted into talking about a type of immigrant different from the one described in the original video clip. And the argument you've used doesn't apply to the type of person being discussed. Starmer has literally just spent PMQs lambasting the tories on the net migration figures due to be released tomorrow. He referenced some of the recently added jobs for visas (builders, carpenters, tilers, plasterers) and the fact that employers hiring outside of the UK for these roles can offer 20% below the going rate in the UK. This drives down the wages in these sectors and prioritises cheap labour immigrated in over labour in the country. Now off course there will be reasons for this and there may be genuine shortages and it needs to be done. But then the apprenticeship fund setup has over half the money not yet spent. Why? Well why would a business want to train a young person who is less skilled and will end up costing them more long term when they can get an immigrant in earning 20% below the going rate and with alot more experience. That's not a long term fix. That's a sticking plaster. And who benefits? Business owners whose expenses go down and profits go up. Personally I'm not convinced that the current model is as sustainable as you think. Clearly I'm in the minority by thinking net migration increasing 2 fold in an already densely populated country is something we need to curb. So I'll ask again, how many 2 fold increases is too much? Or at which limit does it need an expert opinion because at over 650k that's OK to you. I figure the reason people don't want to answer this and are ducking and avoiding it is because it's much easier to play good cop and say yes to everything. But you can't then come into the thread tomorrow and be critical of net migration numbers when they're released and criticise the tories for it getting out of control after spending today putting no argument towards curbing the numbers in any shape or form. Starmer has went on the offensive with it during PMQs today. And some of the stuff above I wasn't aware of until I listened to him. I think attacking the tories who have traditionally been anti immigration on these out of control numbers will help Starmer garner support. Defending it on the other hand I don't think will. Enjoying the debate. As I said earlier today, it is the job of the opposition to attack the government for failing on promises they have made to the public. Don't necessarily interpret that attack as being an example of Starmer being anti- immigration, although it certainly wont do him any harm at the ballot box to appear that way. If Labour had been in power for the last 13 years, I don't think they would have remotely made the promises that the Tories have made on bringing the numbers down because they understand how important immigration is to our economy, indeed we would almost certainly still have freedom of movement. However Brexit happened and we are where we are and Labour (for the time being) are committed to the points based immigration system. But as you've (rightly) pointed out, there is a huge issue of a lack of both unskilled and skilled labour, in the country at the moment and therefore there might be a need for even MORE immigration initially, although Labour wont admit that publicly. And this is why it is so difficult to answer your question, there are many elements at play and it is not a case of chickening out with an answer but rather it would be folly to tie yourself to a number set in stone over something which is so nuanced. Labour are not as ideologically wedded to getting the numbers down as the Tory party are and therefore wont cut off their noses to spite their faces if an increase in numbers (initially) will help to get growth moving. The reason I said 'initially', is because Labour have said that the way they intend to stop immigration spiralling out of control perpetually, is to ensure there is a direct link between the shortages highlighted by the points based immigration system and major investment in apprenticeships and training. Essentially the numbers of people we have to bring in from abroad to cover current vacancies in industry will directly correlate to investment in training for those particular skills at home. It also means that they can legitimately claim in their manifesto that they are intending on ultimately reducing immigration. They've also pledged to make it illegal to pay a foreign worker 80% of the wage that a British national would receive and they must always receive parity. Apologies for the lengthy reply.
EDIT: And yes, you absolutely can lambast the Tories tomorrow for their failure in not delivering what they promised mate, I explained my reasoning further up the page.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 15:44:39 GMT
Surely this begs the question, why on earth was all this stuff kept hidden from the privileges committee inquiry?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 15:45:14 GMT
My missus works at the University of Manchester, they'd be in serious trouble if there was any significant drop in the number of international students........... Would they be in trouble if there was a significant drop in dependants of international students? There were 16k dependants in 2019 compared to 135k in 2022. That is an 8 fold increase without the latest figures yet released. I don’t understand why you would expect someone to move to a country and not want to bring their family. I get the argument if it is a brother/sister/parent (non-dependent). However, why do you think people wouldn’t be happier/more productive having family nearby? Having their family make the move represents a good way to try to keep those skills in the country, otherwise they just have one foot out the door.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 15:53:53 GMT
Would they be in trouble if there was a significant drop in dependants of international students? There were 16k dependants in 2019 compared to 135k in 2022. That is an 8 fold increase without the latest figures yet released. I don’t understand why you would expect someone to move to a country and not want to bring their family. I get the argument if it is a brother/sister/parent (non-dependent). However, why do you think people wouldn’t be happier/more productive having family nearby? Having their family make the move represents a good way to try to keep those skills in the country, otherwise they just have one foot out the door.
Indeed, that's exactly the point, the UK educates the second largest number of international students in the world, the majority of which are women, they and their families are huge source of revenue to the economy and many simply won't come if they have to leave their families behind.
Braverman is so obsessed by a figure, that she's using dynamite to crack a nut.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 24, 2023 16:09:29 GMT
My missus works at the University of Manchester, they'd be in serious trouble if there was any significant drop in the number of international students........... Would they be in trouble if there was a significant drop in dependants of international students? There were 16k dependants in 2019 compared to 135k in 2022. That is an 8 fold increase without the latest figures yet released. Yes as the 2 often go hand in hand…….
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 16:13:46 GMT
I don’t understand why you would expect someone to move to a country and not want to bring their family. I get the argument if it is a brother/sister/parent (non-dependent). However, why do you think people wouldn’t be happier/more productive having family nearby? Having their family make the move represents a good way to try to keep those skills in the country, otherwise they just have one foot out the door.
Indeed, that's exactly the point, the UK educates the second largest number of international students in the world, the majority of which are women, they and their families are huge source of revenue to the economy and many simply won't come if they have to leave their families behind.
Braverman is so obsessed by a figure, that she's using dynamite to crack a nut.
Honestly, I find it amazing that the daughter of two immigrants can be so against them and not see the positives of immigration (/knows that they are there but sees sh*tting on them to be her ticket). My Grandfather was Polish and came to the UK after being released from some German farm during WWII, yet my mother buys into this crap a lot. Laws that concentrate wealth and reduce public spending on common services are the issue (in my opinion).
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Post by wannabee on May 24, 2023 16:20:46 GMT
Would they be in trouble if there was a significant drop in dependants of international students? There were 16k dependants in 2019 compared to 135k in 2022. That is an 8 fold increase without the latest figures yet released. I don’t understand why you would expect someone to move to a country and not want to bring their family. I get the argument if it is a brother/sister/parent (non-dependent). However, why do you think people wouldn’t be happier/more productive having family nearby? Having their family make the move represents a good way to try to keep those skills in the country, otherwise they just have one foot out the door. Because in some cases and from some countries its a scam You can look at the Countries where the increases have come from since the introduction of the New Education Visas As an example of how it works you can apply to do a Masters in some obscure subject for 9 months. While studying you can legally only work for 20 hours per week. Your "partner" has no restrictions on number of hours worked making it economically viable as a couple. At the end of your studies you and your partner are granted a further 2 or 3 years leave to work in UK. It is the aim of many using this route to secure a job which entitles at least indefinite leave to stay after the further 2 or 3 years
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 16:32:26 GMT
I don’t understand why you would expect someone to move to a country and not want to bring their family. I get the argument if it is a brother/sister/parent (non-dependent). However, why do you think people wouldn’t be happier/more productive having family nearby? Having their family make the move represents a good way to try to keep those skills in the country, otherwise they just have one foot out the door. Because in some cases and from some countries its a scam You can look at the Countries where the increases have come from since the introduction of the New Education Visas As an example of how it works you can apply to do a Masters in some obscure subject for 9 months. While studying you can legally only work for 20 hours per week. Your "partner" has no restrictions on number of hours worked making it economically viable as a couple. At the end of your studies you and your partner are granted a further 2 or 3 years leave to work in UK. It is the aim of many using this route to secure a job which entitles at least indefinite leave to stay after the further 2 or 3 years I don’t see how that’s a scam. For internationals, a Masters would cost around 15k at a minimum. People then get trained and develop a skill set important to the society. If they then stay, great, those skills aren’t lost. If they both go back, then that’s a shame but they will have helped to keep a University going.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 16:39:34 GMT
Indeed, that's exactly the point, the UK educates the second largest number of international students in the world, the majority of which are women, they and their families are huge source of revenue to the economy and many simply won't come if they have to leave their families behind.
Braverman is so obsessed by a figure, that she's using dynamite to crack a nut.
Honestly, I find it amazing that the daughter of two immigrants can be so against them and not see the positives of immigration (/knows that they are there but sees sh*tting on them to be her ticket). My Grandfather was Polish and came to the UK after being released from some German farm during WWII, yet my mother buys into this crap a lot. Laws that concentrate wealth and reduce public spending on common services are the issue (in my opinion).
You'll get no disagreement from me on that one mate!
With regard to your question about Braverman, you might find this interesting, it's actually about Priti Patel but I think it's still just as relevant.
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Post by wannabee on May 24, 2023 16:53:40 GMT
Because in some cases and from some countries its a scam You can look at the Countries where the increases have come from since the introduction of the New Education Visas As an example of how it works you can apply to do a Masters in some obscure subject for 9 months. While studying you can legally only work for 20 hours per week. Your "partner" has no restrictions on number of hours worked making it economically viable as a couple. At the end of your studies you and your partner are granted a further 2 or 3 years leave to work in UK. It is the aim of many using this route to secure a job which entitles at least indefinite leave to stay after the further 2 or 3 years I don’t see how that’s a scam. For internationals, a Masters would cost around 15k at a minimum. People then get trained and develop a skill set important to the society. If they then stay, great, those skills aren’t lost. If they both go back, then that’s a shame but they will have helped to keep a University going. A Country with a historically high number of Prince's that have recently come into a large inheritance and are anxious to share it with you if only you would provide your Bank details is the Country with the largest increase in these Education Visas. Of the 137K ( a ninefold increase since 2019) Visas granted more than half were for dependents www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-65684594.ampThe new restrictions, from January 2024, do not apply to PhD students
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 17:06:47 GMT
I don’t see how that’s a scam. For internationals, a Masters would cost around 15k at a minimum. People then get trained and develop a skill set important to the society. If they then stay, great, those skills aren’t lost. If they both go back, then that’s a shame but they will have helped to keep a University going. A Country with a historically high number of Prince's that have recently come into a large inheritance and are anxious to share it with you if only you would provide your Bank details is the Country with the largest increase in these Education Visas. Of the 137K ( a ninefold increase since 2019) Visas granted more than half were for dependents www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-65684594.ampThe new restrictions, from January 2024, do not apply to PhD students I don’t get the issue here. People are moving their families to look to find a better place to live. My father-in-law moved from China to the US. He couldn’t afford to bring Ma because she wouldn’t be able to work and it’s more expensive in the US. So, for years, he didn’t see his wife or daughter and slaved away for 80 hours a week under a boss that had control of his right to work. So for years, my wife grew up without a Dad. Why was this necessary? It wasn’t. My father-in-law did stay, he moved out of science years later and redid his residency (hell x2) after taking citizenship. After a few years in his first job, he was able to scrape together enough for my wife and Ma to come over. The article you sent even references that the people who will abuse the system (ie, come in and start a Masters with no intent of seeing it through) represent a true minority (in this YouTuber’s story (seems a legit place to get information)).
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 17:10:13 GMT
I don’t see how that’s a scam. For internationals, a Masters would cost around 15k at a minimum. People then get trained and develop a skill set important to the society. If they then stay, great, those skills aren’t lost. If they both go back, then that’s a shame but they will have helped to keep a University going. A Country with a historically high number of Prince's that have recently come into a large inheritance and are anxious to share it with you if only you would provide your Bank details is the Country with the largest increase in these Education Visas. Of the 137K ( a ninefold increase since 2019) Visas granted more than half were for dependents www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-65684594.ampThe new restrictions, from January 2024, do not apply to PhD students "Most people genuinely intend to study but the minority who do not is growing, Mr Tiamiyu suggests." So somebody who is at the very forefront of it all, says that it is only a minority who are scammers, that surely doesn't mean then, that Braverman should take such drastic action. She's just concerned with getting the headline figure down and beyond that, has not considered or indeed is not actually even interested in any of the consequences of those actions.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 17:38:08 GMT
Honestly, I find it amazing that the daughter of two immigrants can be so against them and not see the positives of immigration (/knows that they are there but sees sh*tting on them to be her ticket). My Grandfather was Polish and came to the UK after being released from some German farm during WWII, yet my mother buys into this crap a lot. Laws that concentrate wealth and reduce public spending on common services are the issue (in my opinion).
You'll get no disagreement from me on that one mate!
With regard to your question about Braverman, you might find this interesting, it's actually about Priti Patel but I think it's still just as relevant.
“Policies that would have excluded her parents” sums up the stupidity of immigration rhetoric by children of immigrants.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 24, 2023 17:39:23 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2023 17:48:29 GMT
Oh please let it be true ... Think the Abba party was supposedly the one Camilla was at, so unlikely that anything more will be heard about that one, unless the guest list is kept very schtum.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 17:54:18 GMT
And here in all it's glory is the ... "Johnson effect". He doesn't even attend the HOC anymore or perform any parliamentary duties but yet here he is, still causing the Tories to eat itself from within. He is a malevolent cancer, that has seeped into every corner of the Conservative party and somehow, there are still those who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2023 17:56:10 GMT
Oh please let it be true ... Think the Abba party was supposedly the one Camilla was at, so unlikely that anything more will be heard about that one, unless the guest list is kept very schtum. Oh please don't go and spoil it now RWB but yes, you're probably right! 🙁
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Post by wannabee on May 24, 2023 18:02:46 GMT
A Country with a historically high number of Prince's that have recently come into a large inheritance and are anxious to share it with you if only you would provide your Bank details is the Country with the largest increase in these Education Visas. Of the 137K ( a ninefold increase since 2019) Visas granted more than half were for dependents www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-65684594.ampThe new restrictions, from January 2024, do not apply to PhD students "Most people genuinely intend to study but the minority who do not is growing, Mr Tiamiyu suggests." So somebody who is at the very forefront of it all, says that it is only a minority who are scammers, that surely doesn't mean then, that Braverman should take such drastic action. She's just concerned with getting the headline figure down and beyond that, has not considered or indeed is not actually even interested in any of the consequences of those actions. I seem to be in the curious position of seeming to be on the side of Braverman, I'm not. I have already said I'm I favour of immigration but it needs to be planned, repeating myself again. This data is out of date 2021 but it shows the relative disparity China 114,837 Student Visas 401 Dependent Visas India 93,049 Student Visas 24,916 Dependent Visas Nigeria about 34,000 Student Visas 31,898 Dependent Visas Last year for Nigeria 137K Visas slightly more than 50% Dependents It doesn't take a genius to work out that something is going on, maybe its a good thing. www.primebusiness.africa/uk-govt-reveals-data-on-nigerians-abusing-student-work-visas-may-tighten-rules/This whole thing needs to be looked at in the backdrop where Governments and Universities panicked at the end of Free Movement January 2021 when EU Students numbers fell off a cliff as they would now have to pay fees under Bozo's Oven Ready Deal Previously Students outside EU were given a year on year Visa and I think 6 months to gain employment after graduation The New Education Visa gave a Visa for duration plus 2 years Masters 3 Years PhD after graduation This whole mess is due to double speak by Government Braverman talks about tens of thousands of Immigrants Hunt/OBR Budget is based on 245K Immigrants excluding Ukraine, HK. The figures tomorrow are expected to be 700+K and everyone talks about the 45K Boat not even included in official statistics Meanwhile we have a Housing Crisis, a GP/Dentist Crisis, an NHS Crisis. All of the above should be joined up, its not, whlle a dysfunctional Conservative Party tears itself apart
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 24, 2023 18:05:24 GMT
Simon Hoare: would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights. The nonsense, self-destroying crap has to end or our Party dies I'm here for it. Keep going
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 18:07:46 GMT
And here in all it's glory is the ... "Johnson effect". He doesn't even attend the HOC anymore or perform any parliamentary duties but yet here he is, still causing the Tories to eat itself from within. He is a malevolent cancer, that has seeped into every corner of the Conservative party and somehow, there are still those who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it. As much disdain as I have for Theresa May, at least she went back to carrying out her job and has even survived a re-election. That takes guts. Boris’ infinite number of children tell me has balls. No idea where he’s hiding them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2023 18:20:04 GMT
And here in all it's glory is the ... "Johnson effect". He doesn't even attend the HOC anymore or perform any parliamentary duties but yet here he is, still causing the Tories to eat itself from within. He is a malevolent cancer, that has seeped into every corner of the Conservative party and somehow, there are still those who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it. How much more evidence does anyone need that he shouldn't be anywhere near public life? Even his supposedly close colleagues have openly stated on a number of occasions that he is not fit to carry out this kind of public role. Max Hastings, who probably knows him better than anyone having actually managed the bloke, gets it spot on again: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/max-hastings-boris-johnson-stake-b2306558.htmlIncidentally, when does the Privileges Committee decide?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 18:20:26 GMT
"Most people genuinely intend to study but the minority who do not is growing, Mr Tiamiyu suggests." So somebody who is at the very forefront of it all, says that it is only a minority who are scammers, that surely doesn't mean then, that Braverman should take such drastic action. She's just concerned with getting the headline figure down and beyond that, has not considered or indeed is not actually even interested in any of the consequences of those actions. I seem to be in the curious position of seeming to be on the side of Braverman, I'm not. I have already said I'm I favour of immigration but it needs to be planned, repeating myself again. This data is out of date 2021 but it shows the relative disparity China 114,837 Student Visas 401 Dependent Visas India 93,049 Student Visas 24,916 Dependent Visas Nigeria about 34,000 Student Visas 31,898 Dependent Visas Last year for Nigeria 137K Visas slightly more than 50% Dependents It doesn't take a genius to work out that something is going on, maybe its a good thing. www.primebusiness.africa/uk-govt-reveals-data-on-nigerians-abusing-student-work-visas-may-tighten-rules/This whole thing needs to be looked at in the backdrop where Governments and Universities panicked at the end of Free Movement January 2021 when EU Students numbers fell off a cliff as they would now have to pay fees under Bozo's Oven Ready Deal Previously Students outside EU were given a year on year Visa and I think 6 months to gain employment after graduation The New Education Visa gave a Visa for duration plus 2 years Masters 3 Years PhD after graduation This whole mess is due to double speak by Government Braverman talks about tens of thousands of Immigrants Hunt/OBR Budget is based on 245K Immigrants excluding Ukraine, HK. The figures tomorrow are expected to be 700+K and everyone talks about the 45K Boat not even included in official statistics Meanwhile we have a Housing Crisis, a GP/Dentist Crisis, an NHS Crisis. All of the above should be joined up, its not, whlle a dysfunctional Conservative Party tears itself apart It suggests to me that Nigerians are thinking about creating a better life for their family, where as those leaving from China/India are leaving countries with strong economies and see the qualification as a status symbol for a better job on return (which it certainly is in China (UK/US colleges are very sought after)). Either way, I don’t see the issue. Those that come in may contribute to a housing crisis, I can see that. However, young people (which students often are) require fewer visits to the GP, hospital and dentist. I don’t see how there is really a meaningful contribution there to be honest.
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