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Post by duckling on Sept 29, 2017 2:38:07 GMT
Sorry if already discussed. This is based on last season. With this in mind, a new study has analysed the closing stages of each Premier League side’s home games to evaluate what fans could be missing out on by leaving before the final whistle.
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With the costliest season ticket and nearly one in five home goals taking place in the final seven minutes (18%), Arsenal fans might want to stick around for the full duration of games at the Emirates.
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The findings also reveal that Stoke followers would lose the least by heading home early. Just 4% of all Potters goals were scored in the final seven minutes, which equates to a £12.25 loss based on the cost per goal. Full article here. www.sportsvibe.co.uk/2017/09/17/early-leavers-premier-league-fans-miss-eight-home-goals-and-waste-73-per-season/What do you make of this? Personally I think the study is a bit mistaken in considering all goals to provide the same happiness and excitement to fans. Late goals are more emotional. When you miss a late goal, you miss out on more emotionally than if you miss an early goal. There probably isn't a Stoke fan who was at the first game Premier League game against Aston Villa who would disagree with that. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 29, 2017 3:17:43 GMT
So through basic drunken gleaning, it's great being a stoke fan? We pay less, and miss less leaving early? Fuck yeah boys!
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Post by woodstein on Sept 29, 2017 5:39:14 GMT
Have these researchers nothing better to do? I wish I had become one when I left school. "Studying" stupid things and getting paid for it.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 29, 2017 7:37:41 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team.
If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 29, 2017 7:46:58 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team. If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players? If the players can't be bothered why should the fans? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 7:47:30 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs
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Post by wagstand on Sept 29, 2017 8:08:16 GMT
People leaving early does my head in. Perhaps the same people should turn up 15 mins into the game so they miss any queues they might encounter at the turnstiles. What is the big rush to get home? I agree the club car parks are ridiculous but if you don't want to wait to get off then don't park there.
Surely the point of the day is to come and watch your team play, not sit there fretting if you will be home for tea at 6pm sharp.
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 29, 2017 8:43:13 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs People have always gone early, it's not a recent phenomena it just looks worse in an all seater stadium. As the OP says the last minute winner or equaliser is far more emotional an experience than an early goal. The feeling I got after Asaidi's winner v Chelsea is why I go football and early leavers will never experience that feeling because they are more obsessed with traffic! Traffic is never that bad after a game provided you are prepared for a 20 minute walk (which is hardly a hardship). None of our travel group ever leaves before the end and we are back in Bristol by 7.15 most games so anyone who lives within 20 miles of ground would easily be home by 6. Early leaving should be banned for the disruption it causes everyone else, especially those with Aisle seats who often can't see. Anyone who has an unfounded paranoia about getting home after 6 and thus ruining their life should stay at home, or get help. BM |
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Post by Sven on Sept 29, 2017 8:54:59 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team. If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players? because they get paid obscene amounts of money because they are supposed to be professional |
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Post by scfccat on Sept 29, 2017 8:58:10 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs People have always gone early, it's not a recent phenomena it just looks worse in an all seater stadium. As the OP says the last minute winner or equaliser is far more emotional an experience than an early goal. The feeling I got after Asaidi's winner v Chelsea is why I go football and early leavers will never experience that feeling because they are more obsessed with traffic! Traffic is never that bad after a game provided you are prepared for a 20 minute walk (which is hardly a hardship). None of our travel group ever leaves before the end and we are back in Bristol by 7.15 most games so anyone who lives within 20 miles of ground would easily be home by 6. Early leaving should be banned for the disruption it causes everyone else, especially those with Aisle seats who often can't see. Anyone who has an unfounded paranoia about getting home after 6 and thus ruining their life should stay at home, or get help. BM I can see both points here to be perfectly honest with you 😊 |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 29, 2017 9:00:12 GMT
Pay your money take your choice,who gives a toss if someone chooses to leave when they want for what ever reason.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2017 9:13:20 GMT
Personally I have rarely left early, but it so happens I did for the Newcastle match to catch the 17.05 train from Newcastle station. Lucky I did because Newcastle station was heaving and they finished up throwing people off my train as it was over-full. Unfortunately Stoke didn't equalise, which would have compensated for my disappointment at having to leave early. I was surprised as I left at the number of "Stoke fans" in the bar, not bothered about watching the match; not true fans to my way of thinking.
It is difficult for some people to walk for 20 minutes. Older people may not be disabled but a lot suffer from plantar faciitis, which can be very painful.
It would be appreciated if Stoke and the local authorities could find some way of separating bus, pedestrian and car traffic, so all can leave the ground concurrently. There clearly needs to be more vehicle routes from the ground direct to the town centre and Queensway A500 D road, avoiding the A50. For example a west link over the river/canal/railway, round to the north side of Hanford joining the A500/A34 inter-change roundabout. Providing extra routes for vehicles travelling West, North, and South would take the load of the existing routes. No doubt there would be objectors and detractors.
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Post by woodstein on Sept 29, 2017 11:32:23 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team. If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players? What a bunch of crap - your comment and a performance that might make folk leave but usually its just to get away quicker as some don't live on the doorstep. |
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Post by lagwafis on Sept 29, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
It's always been this way. You'd see people moving down to the exit gate at the bottom of the old Boothen End at the Vic, or people wandering across the Butler Street Stand walkway on 80 minutes. Likewise pre-2008 at the Brit when the ground was half empty, it just wasn't as noticeable due to so many empty seats already.
Supporters aren't all the same. Some will want to soak up every minute, chant throughout the match, a loss will ruin their weekend and they might spend every waking moment glued to the internet waiting to hear the latest news or signing. Others might go along on Saturday to watch the game and then barely think about Stoke again until the following weekend. They're just as happy to hear a last-minute goal on the radio, or see it on Match of the Day, as they are experiencing it in person - it doesn't matter to them if they missed it, as long as it went in. Others might be somewhere in between on this scale of 'die hard' to 'casual'. You're never going to get everyone stay to the end, just as everyone won't suddenly become a fan who wants to make up some minutes by leaving early. It's the same at every club across the country.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2017 12:57:09 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team. If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players? Because they get paid to do a job. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 29, 2017 14:00:08 GMT
for the millionth time people can leave whenever they want
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 29, 2017 14:02:15 GMT
Maybe Stoke would score more in the final 7 minutes if the SUPPORTERS stayed there to support the team. If the fans cant be bothered then why should the players? The fans aren't getting paid to do a professional job the last time I checked |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 29, 2017 14:58:35 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs A lot of people moan about it and put the failure to do anything about it down to the club's incompetence (not just our club but at other clubs too). But the reality is that to build a road network that has the structure and capacity to quickly handle the volumes of traffic you get around a Premier League stadium is nigh on impossible. The reality is that the traffic around the Bet365 on non match days is minimal as it is around most football stadiums. It's only busy for a few hours every 2 or 3 weeks and the amount of money, time, work and travel disruption it would cause to put a transport system in to cope with such an infrequent high demand just isn't in the public interest and would never get council go ahead. And even if it did it would take years of planning, public consultation, land purchasing, huge disruption whilst being constructed and cost absolutely astronomical amounts of money that not even rich Premier League clubs can justify. It's also one of those never ending jobs where even if you built loads of extra lanes and car park exits around the ground and big new access roads onto the A50 and A500 it would just cause new snarl ups somewhere else and push the bottle neck elsewhere and people would be complaining about how the D road and A50 needs widening etc. In short, if you're attending an event where tens of thousands of people are descending on one small place all at the same time, you're going to get lots of traffic. It's the same at stadiums, arenas etc all around the country. It's just one of those things you have to deal with. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 29, 2017 15:23:59 GMT
Either stay or leave. But don't hang round the stairs blocking peoples view of the game.
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Post by waffles on Sept 29, 2017 17:05:42 GMT
I work in facility's and have been quoted 130k for a concrete 10 lorry park extension at work on our land, we done even need planning permission.civil works are madly expensive and if you have to buy the land and deal with the council, good luck
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 29, 2017 17:22:33 GMT
The biggest thing they could do to improve some of the exit from the ground is put another bridge over the dual Carriageway
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 29, 2017 17:33:28 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs People have always gone early, it's not a recent phenomena it just looks worse in an all seater stadium. As the OP says the last minute winner or equaliser is far more emotional an experience than an early goal. The feeling I got after Asaidi's winner v Chelsea is why I go football and early leavers will never experience that feeling because they are more obsessed with traffic! Traffic is never that bad after a game provided you are prepared for a 20 minute walk (which is hardly a hardship). None of our travel group ever leaves before the end and we are back in Bristol by 7.15 most games so anyone who lives within 20 miles of ground would easily be home by 6. Early leaving should be banned for the disruption it causes everyone else, especially those with Aisle seats who often can't see. Anyone who has an unfounded paranoia about getting home after 6 and thus ruining their life should stay at home, or get help. BM that's bloody good going Mick! takes me longer than that to get back to south Leicestershire  granted I have 4 drop offs but still...way to go  |
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Post by mrlovepants on Sept 29, 2017 17:44:55 GMT
I thought it usually was an inane comment from the equally inane TV commentators who get driven to and from the game, with a car park slot sorted for them, and have forgotten the urgency some may feel to get in the pub/chipshop/train/bus/partners good books etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 21:52:44 GMT
The reason fans go early at stoke is the same reason they do at man city, utd, West ham, etc etc etc. The traffic management is absolutely appalling. If you sit on the official car park you can be there til after 6. The other alternative is walk like penguins to heron cross. This isn't a new thing it's gone on for years. Why it gets peoples back up is beyond me. If you want stay til the end then do so. If you want leave early then do so aswell. It's getting to the point where it's the same post appearing every home game without fail. Get a life ffs People have always gone early, it's not a recent phenomena it just looks worse in an all seater stadium. As the OP says the last minute winner or equaliser is far more emotional an experience than an early goal. The feeling I got after Asaidi's winner v Chelsea is why I go football and early leavers will never experience that feeling because they are more obsessed with traffic! Traffic is never that bad after a game provided you are prepared for a 20 minute walk (which is hardly a hardship). None of our travel group ever leaves before the end and we are back in Bristol by 7.15 most games so anyone who lives within 20 miles of ground would easily be home by 6. Early leaving should be banned for the disruption it causes everyone else, especially those with Aisle seats who often can't see. Anyone who has an unfounded paranoia about getting home after 6 and thus ruining their life should stay at home, or get help. BM I agree with you Mick and I park at heron cross myself because I can't be bothered sit on the car parks. However those with young kids or elderly folk maybe can't walk 20 mins therefore the official car parks is the only option. Going early means they miss sitting on a car park for over a hour. As i said it ain't just stoke it goes on at all clubs in the prem. It's never going stop happening either |
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 30, 2017 1:13:57 GMT
As individuals in a supposedly free society spectators do have the right to leave when they want. 5 minutes in, just after half time or 30 seconds before the final whistle - it doesn't matter. But, when looking at the crowd as a whole, battalions of empty seats signals a bored,superficial and light weight support. You would expect this at the top 6 glory hunter magnets where people are not heavily invested in the club culture. When dealing with proper, traditional dyed-in-the -wool teams, spectating is about participation and that doesn't mean skipping back to the car to listen to the end of the match on Radio Stoke.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 30, 2017 1:26:26 GMT
We Are Stoke City.
We'll Leave When We Want..
etc.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 30, 2017 5:14:32 GMT
Sorry if already discussed. This is based on last season. With this in mind, a new study has analysed the closing stages of each Premier League side’s home games to evaluate what fans could be missing out on by leaving before the final whistle.
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With the costliest season ticket and nearly one in five home goals taking place in the final seven minutes (18%), Arsenal fans might want to stick around for the full duration of games at the Emirates.
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The findings also reveal that Stoke followers would lose the least by heading home early. Just 4% of all Potters goals were scored in the final seven minutes, which equates to a £12.25 loss based on the cost per goal. Full article here. www.sportsvibe.co.uk/2017/09/17/early-leavers-premier-league-fans-miss-eight-home-goals-and-waste-73-per-season/What do you make of this? Personally I think the study is a bit mistaken in considering all goals to provide the same happiness and excitement to fans. Late goals are more emotional. When you miss a late goal, you miss out on more emotionally than if you miss an early goal. There probably isn't a Stoke fan who was at the first game Premier League game against Aston Villa who would disagree with that. I left early from that villa game |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 30, 2017 7:18:41 GMT
Always amusing that most think early leavers are "must get home" or "get off the car park" worriers - I leave early when I just cannot face what's going on in front of me for a minute longer - that's the footy not a bloke on the row in front messing with himself btw ;-)
It is true that relative success makes you far less tolerant of deafeat - well heavy defeat and especially at home......so after the third went in last week I just needed to get out of there - not to be anywhere in particular- just gone.....
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 30, 2017 11:50:16 GMT
The biggest thing they could do to improve some of the exit from the ground is put another bridge over the dual Carriageway Which costs an absolute fortune and would take years to plan and build. From where to where? I can't think of many more places you could put a bridge without it being some kind of fantasy sized one that could never realistically be delivered. |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 30, 2017 12:02:16 GMT
The biggest thing they could do to improve some of the exit from the ground is put another bridge over the dual Carriageway Which costs an absolute fortune and would take years to plan and build. From where to where? I can't think of many more places you could put a bridge without it being some kind of fantasy sized one that could never realistically be delivered. Sorry wasn't clear I meant another pedestrian bridge break up the crowds walking to heron cross. We are stuck with the roads as they are |
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granted I have 4 drop offs but still...way to go 
