They Just Don't Get It Do They!

[yeokel]

"The French president, Emmanuel Macron, has set out his plans for a “profound transformation” of the EU with deeper political integration to win back the support of disgruntled citizens, but suggested a bloc moving forward at differing speeds could become somewhere the UK may “one day find its place again”."

We'll find our place again mate, but with no help from you!
What YOU want is exactly what WE and the 'populist' groups in Europe voted against and you just don't get or understand it, do you?

Macron's Vision

[robstokie]

Sept 26, 2017 19:30:18 GMT yeokel said:

"The French president, Emmanuel Macron, has set out his plans for a “profound transformation” of the EU with deeper political integration to win back the support of disgruntled citizens, but suggested a bloc moving forward at differing speeds could become somewhere the UK may “one day find its place again”."

We'll find our place again mate, but with no help from you!
What YOU want is exactly what WE and the 'populist' groups in Europe voted against and you just don't get or understand it, do you?

Macron's Vision

Leave them to it, I say. Lets not pander to them, lets stick two fingers up at them and get out of there sharpish!!!!! Hopefully, Nige will be back in business soon - He will put them in their place!

[spiler]

Sept 26, 2017 19:32:24 GMT robstokie said:

Sept 26, 2017 19:30:18 GMT yeokel said:

"The French president, Emmanuel Macron, has set out his plans for a “profound transformation” of the EU with deeper political integration to win back the support of disgruntled citizens, but suggested a bloc moving forward at differing speeds could become somewhere the UK may “one day find its place again”."

We'll find our place again mate, but with no help from you!
What YOU want is exactly what WE and the 'populist' groups in Europe voted against and you just don't get or understand it, do you?

Macron's Vision

Leave them to it, I say. Lets not pander to them, lets stick two fingers up at them and get out of there sharpish!!!!! Hopefully, Nige will be back in business soon - He will put them in their place!

Please God, why can't the pillock just stay on Capital FM?

[3putts]

Yeah let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world.
Anybody who says we are just a tiny island off Europe is a twat with his head in the sand

[LL Cool Dave]

Why start another Brexit thread?

[manmarking]

Sept 26, 2017 19:58:33 GMT LL Cool Dave said:

Why start another Brexit thread?

Because in order to accurately mirror the government's vision for Brexit, we need the debate to be more confused

[spiler]

Sept 26, 2017 19:58:33 GMT LL Cool Dave said:

Why start another Brexit thread?

You can't properly discuss Brexit under just the one thread surely? This thread is focussing on Macron's speech and vision for the EU, isn't it?

[LL Cool Dave]

Sept 26, 2017 20:08:47 GMT spiler said:

Sept 26, 2017 19:58:33 GMT LL Cool Dave said:

Why start another Brexit thread?

You can't properly discuss Brexit under just the one thread surely? This thread is focussing on Macron's speech and vision for the EU, isn't it?

I think it can probably fit in a thread called 'What now for Brexit?'

[spiler]

Sept 26, 2017 20:51:10 GMT LL Cool Dave said:

Sept 26, 2017 20:08:47 GMT spiler said:

You can't properly discuss Brexit under just the one thread surely? This thread is focussing on Macron's speech and vision for the EU, isn't it?

I think it can probably fit in a thread called 'What now for Brexit?'

Personally i'd say this was EU business, but if you think that it helps, i'll go with your suggestion. 

[yeokel]

Sept 26, 2017 19:42:06 GMT 3putts said:

Yeah let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world.
Anybody who says we are just a tiny island off Europe is a twat with his head in the sand

What a moronic response.

Nobody is saying “let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world” as far as I am aware. That is a gross misrepresentation of some of the major issues in this debate but, as I said, ‘they’ and some of you just don’t get it. And you don’t get it because you don’t listen or try to comprehend.

What you do is call out ‘Racism’, ‘xenophobia’, ‘Little Englander’, etc from inside your own little bubble instead of hearing the arguments and engaging the debate on a higher level.

Not until the EU and our own Remoaners can begin to understand or, at least, try to understand some of the issues which are being felt not just in Britain but throughout Western Europe, will the debate move forwards towards what kind of Europe the people desire. But instead, at the moment, the sand in which you are burying your head is deafening you. Listen up and try to hear and feel the rumblings which are being felt throughout Europe.

And for those saying "Do we really need another Brexit thread?".
This was not intended as such.

The article linked to is spelling out a vision of the EU which I don't think many 'ordinary' people subscribe to either here, or on mainland Europe.
People are being told what is good for them and what is good for the EU, but they are not being asked about issues which might be important to them. Their opinions are not being heard. That is why the EU will collapse in on itself, eventually - because it is being built on little or next to no foundations with insufficient popular support and with no overall grand vision being carried forward by the populace.
When things start getting tough there will be no resilience there to see the EU through the tougher times. It will factionalise into a variety of constituent parts, and then the shit will really start to hit the fan.

[3putts]

Sept 26, 2017 21:56:06 GMT yeokel said:

Sept 26, 2017 19:42:06 GMT 3putts said:

Yeah let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world.
Anybody who says we are just a tiny island off Europe is a twat with his head in the sand

What a moronic response.

Nobody is saying “let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world” as far as I am aware. That is a gross misrepresentation of some of the major issues in this debate but, as I said, ‘they’ and some of you just don’t get it. And you don’t get it because you don’t listen or try to comprehend.

What you do is call out ‘Racism’, ‘xenophobia’, ‘Little Englander’, etc from inside your own little bubble instead of hearing the arguments and engaging the debate on a higher level.

Not until the EU and our own Remoaners can begin to understand or, at least, try to understand some of the issues which are being felt not just in Britain but throughout Western Europe, will the debate move forwards towards what kind of Europe the people desire. But instead, at the moment, the sand in which you are burying your head is deafening you. Listen up and try to hear and feel the rumblings which are being felt throughout Europe.

And for those saying "Do we really need another Brexit thread?".
This was not intended as such.

The article linked to is spelling out a vision of the EU which I don't think many 'ordinary' people subscribe to either here, or on mainland Europe.
People are being told what is good for them and what is good for the EU, but they are not being asked about issues which might be important to them. Their opinions are not being heard. That is why the EU will collapse in on itself, eventually - because it is being built on little or next to no foundations with insufficient popular support and with no overall grand vision being carried forward by the populace.
When things start getting tough there will be no resilience there to see the EU through the tougher times. It will factionalise into a variety of constituent parts, and then the shit will really start to hit the fan.

so what you are saying is that you expect all the benefits of Europe without paying into it? how does that work?

[yeokel]

Sept 27, 2017 12:41:47 GMT 3putts said:

Sept 26, 2017 21:56:06 GMT yeokel said:

What a moronic response.

Nobody is saying “let's go it alone after all we are the biggest and bestest country in the world so why would we need to trade with the largest market in the world” as far as I am aware. That is a gross misrepresentation of some of the major issues in this debate but, as I said, ‘they’ and some of you just don’t get it. And you don’t get it because you don’t listen or try to comprehend.

What you do is call out ‘Racism’, ‘xenophobia’, ‘Little Englander’, etc from inside your own little bubble instead of hearing the arguments and engaging the debate on a higher level.

Not until the EU and our own Remoaners can begin to understand or, at least, try to understand some of the issues which are being felt not just in Britain but throughout Western Europe, will the debate move forwards towards what kind of Europe the people desire. But instead, at the moment, the sand in which you are burying your head is deafening you. Listen up and try to hear and feel the rumblings which are being felt throughout Europe.

And for those saying "Do we really need another Brexit thread?".
This was not intended as such.

The article linked to is spelling out a vision of the EU which I don't think many 'ordinary' people subscribe to either here, or on mainland Europe.
People are being told what is good for them and what is good for the EU, but they are not being asked about issues which might be important to them. Their opinions are not being heard. That is why the EU will collapse in on itself, eventually - because it is being built on little or next to no foundations with insufficient popular support and with no overall grand vision being carried forward by the populace.
When things start getting tough there will be no resilience there to see the EU through the tougher times. It will factionalise into a variety of constituent parts, and then the shit will really start to hit the fan.

so what you are saying is that you expect all the benefits of Europe without paying into it? how does that work?

I don't see that that is what I'm saying at all.

But, for clarity on part of the issue, let me say that when the EU collapses and the squabbling/fighting begins, I'll be glad that this country saw the light in time to be clear of most of the collateral damage and to actually be in a position to offer help and assistance to our European friends in their time of need.

And, as in times past, they will be glad that we were there for them.