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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 12:27:26 GMT
I don't know the case (none of do in detail) but the reporting on it has been woefully ill informed.
A judge has to consider what is best for the child and being in a loving and caring environment is far more important than religion.
Plus the child's maternal grandmother is a non-practising Muslim and it was the mother than said she was from a christian background apparently.
The press reporting has been awful and the likes of Latie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson continue their disgusting and ignorant campaign of hate without full knowledge of the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 13:19:38 GMT
I don't know the case (none of do in detail) but the reporting on it has been woefully ill informed. A judge has to consider what is best for the child and being in a loving and caring environment is far more important than religion. Plus the child's maternal grandmother is a non-practising Muslim and it was the mother than said she was from a christian background apparently. The press reporting has been awful and the likes of Latie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson continue their disgusting and ignorant campaign of hate without full knowledge of the facts. You say you don't know the facts but condem other people and the press for their views I'm assuming by your post you actually know more than them |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 13:23:49 GMT
I don't know the case (none of do in detail) but the reporting on it has been woefully ill informed. A judge has to consider what is best for the child and being in a loving and caring environment is far more important than religion. Plus the child's maternal grandmother is a non-practising Muslim and it was the mother than said she was from a christian background apparently. The press reporting has been awful and the likes of Latie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson continue their disgusting and ignorant campaign of hate without full knowledge of the facts. Classic Boggy classic. Criticises others for commenting when they don't know all the facts and then goes on to comment whilst admitting he doesn't know all of the facts. Just the sort of muddled thinking I'd expect. |
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Post by felonious on Sept 2, 2017 13:36:28 GMT
Thought we'd have a thread on here about it by now. Can someone put a link up please? I conna do it. ??? Here's a link.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41091300
I think the issue with the reporting was that the girl was upset that the foster family did not speak English although I believe that they could speak English.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 2, 2017 13:43:29 GMT
As I understand it, the following issues arose from it:
They refused to speak English around her.
They confiscated her crucifix.
They refused to cook pork for her.
The pork thing is completely irrelevant so I'm not bothered about that, but it's bang out of order to take her crucifix from her. If it's proven to be true they should be charged with theft of property. The English issue is even worse from a moral point of view. How is the child supposed to feel welcome and loved and safe if there's a language barrier there? If they had the ability to speak English and elected not to, then they are not fit to be considered as foster parents.
I don't doubt that they probably had the best of intentions and that they never wished to cause distress to the child. The reality (if this is true of course) is likely to be they were just poorly considered actions; but you cannot demonstrate that kind of behaviour. It's wildly inappropriate.
I know that councils will always try and match up kids to similar types of families, but a little common sense dictates that this will not always be possible. I'd always say that it's better to have the kid in a warm family environment than kept in a care facility, so I don't apportion any blame onto the council for it.
It's ultimately an unfortunate incident, but objectively, nobody was hurt and that is always the main thing.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 14:05:24 GMT
A guy I know actually spent 12 months going through the process of being allowed to foster and the process was so long winded he eventually packed the idea in. I'm therefore surprised that these issues aren't discussed. So is this a gap in the training process (doubtful) or did the foster parents deceive the authorities?
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Post by manmarking on Sept 2, 2017 14:08:56 GMT
As I understand it, the following issues arose from it: They refused to speak English around her. They confiscated her crucifix. They refused to cook pork for her. The pork thing is completely irrelevant so I'm not bothered about that, but it's bang out of order to take her crucifix from her. If it's proven to be true they should be charged with theft of property. The English issue is even worse from a moral point of view. How is the child supposed to feel welcome and loved and safe if there's a language barrier there? If they had the ability to speak English and elected not to, then they are not fit to be considered as foster parents. I don't doubt that they probably had the best of intentions and that they never wished to cause distress to the child. The reality (if this is true of course) is likely to be they were just poorly considered actions; but you cannot demonstrate that kind of behaviour. It's wildly inappropriate. I know that councils will always try and match up kids to similar types of families, but a little common sense dictates that this will not always be possible. I'd always say that it's better to have the kid in a warm family environment than kept in a care facility, so I don't apportion any blame onto the council for it. It's ultimately an unfortunate incident, but objectively, nobody was hurt and that is always the main thing. I think you've posted this considered, balanced opinion on the wrong board, you terrorist-loving pinko shitter. Force feed them pork, then kill them, then kill them again by throwing them to wild pigs etc etc etc  |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 16:41:28 GMT
I don't know the case (none of do in detail) but the reporting on it has been woefully ill informed. A judge has to consider what is best for the child and being in a loving and caring environment is far more important than religion. Plus the child's maternal grandmother is a non-practising Muslim and it was the mother than said she was from a christian background apparently. The press reporting has been awful and the likes of Latie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson continue their disgusting and ignorant campaign of hate without full knowledge of the facts. Classic Boggy classic. Criticises others for commenting when they don't know all the facts and then goes on to comment whilst admitting he doesn't know all of the facts. Just the sort of muddled thinking I'd expect. I'm criticising people for going mad about the fact a so called christian child has been placed in foster care with muslims. They have no idea whether those muslims may actually be entirely appropriate people who are loving and caring. You don't see Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson opening their homes to child in need of a loving home. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 16:44:19 GMT
I don't know the case (none of do in detail) but the reporting on it has been woefully ill informed. A judge has to consider what is best for the child and being in a loving and caring environment is far more important than religion. Plus the child's maternal grandmother is a non-practising Muslim and it was the mother than said she was from a christian background apparently. The press reporting has been awful and the likes of Latie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson continue their disgusting and ignorant campaign of hate without full knowledge of the facts. You say you don't know the facts but condem other people and the press for their views I'm assuming by your post you actually know more than them I think i know far more about fostering and the judicial process than hopkins or robinson. I have been a public law children lawyer after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 16:48:04 GMT
You say you don't know the facts but condem other people and the press for their views I'm assuming by your post you actually know more than them I think i know far more about fostering and the judicial process than hopkins or robinson. I have been a public law children lawyer after all. But you've said you don't know the case so you basically know fuck all yeah? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 16:55:44 GMT
I think i know far more about fostering and the judicial process than hopkins or robinson. I have been a public law children lawyer after all. But you've said you don't know the case so you basically know fuck all yeah? Well I know that the religion on the foster family would be a consideration but one that is far less important than the level of care they could offer the child. I also know that this case highlights the lack of options available to the authorities in these scenarios as there is a huge shortage of foster homes. That is the boggest point to take from it. Everyone on this board (unless directly involved in the case) and the people who are up in arms about it know fuck all about the specifics in this case. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 17:11:48 GMT
But you've said you don't know the case so you basically know fuck all yeah? Well I know that the religion on the foster family would be a consideration but one that is far less important than the level of care they could offer the child. I also know that this case highlights the lack of options available to the authorities in these scenarios as there is a huge shortage of foster homes. That is the boggest point to take from it. Everyone on this board (unless directly involved in the case) and the people who are up in arms about it know fuck all about the specifics in this case. When you say everyone on this board knows fuck all about it, I assume that includes you Rumpole. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 17:15:24 GMT
Well I know that the religion on the foster family would be a consideration but one that is far less important than the level of care they could offer the child. I also know that this case highlights the lack of options available to the authorities in these scenarios as there is a huge shortage of foster homes. That is the boggest point to take from it. Everyone on this board (unless directly involved in the case) and the people who are up in arms about it know fuck all about the specifics in this case. When you say everyone on this board knows fuck all about it, I assume that includes you Rumpole. The specifics of the case - yes. The law - no. I know about that. Having run a similar arguments regarding a child from a muslim background with potential carers froma christian background I do have some knowledge on the issues. I don't remember that case getting quite the same press coverage. Or the hundreds others like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 17:17:36 GMT
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 17:18:38 GMT
When you say everyone on this board knows fuck all about it, I assume that includes you Rumpole. The specifics of the case - yes. The law - no. I know about that. Having run a similar arguments regarding a child from a muslim background with potential carers froma christian background I do have some knowledge on the issues. I don't remember that case getting quite the same press coverage. Or the hundreds others like it. The reason the press never picked up on it mate, is because the case was only ever heard in your head. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 17:37:15 GMT
The specifics of the case - yes. The law - no. I know about that. Having run a similar arguments regarding a child from a muslim background with potential carers froma christian background I do have some knowledge on the issues. I don't remember that case getting quite the same press coverage. Or the hundreds others like it. The reason the press never picked up on it mate, is because the case was only ever heard in your head. No point us discussing this further then. If your opinion is set and if someone with some expertise in the area says something that is ignored then i have no idea why you are posting. Or do you think that there are no muslim children taken into care with christians? |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 17:46:34 GMT
The reason the press never picked up on it mate, is because the case was only ever heard in your head. No point us discussing this further then. If your opinion is set and if someone with some expertise in the area says something that is ignored then i have no idea why you are posting. Or do you think that there are no muslim children taken into care with christians? Fair enough mate. But next time you need some info on outer space let me know, with me being a spaceman. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 2, 2017 18:21:50 GMT
Sounds like 'barking's wet dream.
He probably dresses up in nappies and gets his prozzie to wear a niqab when she gives him a pokey bum wank 😎
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
No point us discussing this further then. If your opinion is set and if someone with some expertise in the area says something that is ignored then i have no idea why you are posting. Or do you think that there are no muslim children taken into care with christians? Fair enough mate. But next time you need some info on outer space let me know, with me being a spaceman. I will do. If your wife decides to divorce you then message me and I can help. Family lawyers are a bit more common than astronauts (as spacemen are more normally referred to) though so you may find one elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 19:37:39 GMT
Sounds like 'barking's wet dream. He probably dresses up in nappies and gets his prozzie to wear a niqab when she gives him a pokey bum wank 😎 I can hook you up with someone who'll do that cheap if you want. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 2, 2017 20:08:24 GMT
Fair enough mate. But next time you need some info on outer space let me know, with me being a spaceman. I will do. If your wife decides to divorce you then message me and I can help. Family lawyers are a bit more common than astronauts (as spacemen are more normally referred to) though so you may find one elsewhere. I'm pleased you understand such big words, if only they'd taught you what a comma was. Still they're probably not needed in the court room? Oh and should my wife ever tire of my wit, and I end up needing your services, mines with no gherkins. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 2, 2017 22:06:42 GMT
Sounds like 'barking's wet dream. He probably dresses up in nappies and gets his prozzie to wear a niqab when she gives him a pokey bum wank 😎 I can hook you up with someone who'll do that cheap if you want. Is tea bag still around  what a way to live your life S****, keep it simple or your head will explode again hopefully, you need to keep taking those meds weird one. |
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Post by manmarking on Sept 2, 2017 23:07:51 GMT
I can hook you up with someone who'll do that cheap if you want. Is tea bag still around  what a way to live your life S****, keep it simple or your head will explode again hopefully, you need to keep taking those meds weird one. Is your bezzy chum stokeharry still around, carps? Or mumf? Oh no, that's right; they ran away  It's a shame your little racist three amigos routine got smashed to fuck innit. What a way to live your life that was Put through any Asian shop windows lately, fat lad?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 23:15:31 GMT
I can hook you up with someone who'll do that cheap if you want. Is tea bag still around  what a way to live your life S****, keep it simple or your head will explode again hopefully, you need to keep taking those meds weird one. You. Are. So. Sexy when you're angry, Carps. Jesus, I'm getting a rock on just thinking about fingering your bum. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 3, 2017 7:59:01 GMT
I will do. If your wife decides to divorce you then message me and I can help. Family lawyers are a bit more common than astronauts (as spacemen are more normally referred to) though so you may find one elsewhere. I'm pleased you understand such big words, if only they'd taught you what a comma was. Still they're probably not needed in the court room? Oh and should my wife ever tire of my wit, and I end up needing your services, mines with no gherkins. Out of interest, why do you find it so far-fetched that a family lawyer could post on here? Why do you assume all Stoke fans serve things with gherkins for a living? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 3, 2017 9:01:48 GMT
I'm pleased you understand such big words, if only they'd taught you what a comma was. Still they're probably not needed in the court room? Oh and should my wife ever tire of my wit, and I end up needing your services, mines with no gherkins. Out of interest, why do you find it so far-fetched that a family lawyer could post on here? Why do you assume all Stoke fans serve things with gherkins for a living? I think you need to cut boothenboy, Mary's bean flicker, crappie and the like a bit of slack. Look at it from their point of view - its an anti Muslim story which has unravelled in a disappointing fashion for them. At the point where you've taken the thread into your area of knowledge ie family law, they've got most uncomfortable and reverted back to their usual approach of childish goading and nonsense. Its basically an admission of giving up. Its a standard response especially Mary who knows fuck all about most things and is very easy to get rid of as a result. "I was just joking" or daft emojis being the usual carefully thought out response lol. He ain't bright, that lad! |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 3, 2017 9:13:10 GMT
Out of interest, why do you find it so far-fetched that a family lawyer could post on here? Why do you assume all Stoke fans serve things with gherkins for a living? I think you need to cut boothenboy, Mary's bean flicker, crappie and the like a bit of slack. Look at it from their point of view - its an anti Muslim story which has unravelled in a disappointing fashion for them. At the point where you've taken the thread into your area of knowledge ie family law, they've got most uncomfortable and reverted back to their usual approach of childish goading and nonsense. Its basically an admission of giving up. Its a standard response especially Mary who knows fuck all about most things and is very easy to get rid of as a result. "I was just joking" or daft emojis being the usual carefully thought out response lol. He ain't bright, that lad! I think its quite funny you accuse other posters of childish goading and nonsense, a definite Alannis Morrisette overload And calling someone not bright when you wear as a badge of stupidity the fact you only researched the details of the referendum the day after you voted is even funnier |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 3, 2017 9:15:55 GMT
I'm pleased you understand such big words, if only they'd taught you what a comma was. Still they're probably not needed in the court room? Oh and should my wife ever tire of my wit, and I end up needing your services, mines with no gherkins. Out of interest, why do you find it so far-fetched that a family lawyer could post on here? Why do you assume all Stoke fans serve things with gherkins for a living? I've never said that. I'm sure there's people from all walks of life on here, from lawyers to binmen, with the odd Walter Mitty character thrown in for good measure. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 3, 2017 12:01:46 GMT
I think you need to cut boothenboy, Mary's bean flicker, crappie and the like a bit of slack. Look at it from their point of view - its an anti Muslim story which has unravelled in a disappointing fashion for them. At the point where you've taken the thread into your area of knowledge ie family law, they've got most uncomfortable and reverted back to their usual approach of childish goading and nonsense. Its basically an admission of giving up. Its a standard response especially Mary who knows fuck all about most things and is very easy to get rid of as a result. "I was just joking" or daft emojis being the usual carefully thought out response lol. He ain't bright, that lad! I think its quite funny you accuse other posters of childish goading and nonsense, a definite Alannis Morrisette overload And calling someone not bright when you wear as a badge of stupidity the fact you only researched the details of the referendum the day after you voted is even funnier Waylon Smithers! Where have you been my old light-on-his-feet friend? Did the post about gathering a collection of bumchums to like your posts touch a nerve lol. I see one of them has ridden to the rescue already! You never can handle a bit of pisstaking without a complete sense of humour failure! You're well known for it on here lol |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 3, 2017 14:58:46 GMT
I think its quite funny you accuse other posters of childish goading and nonsense, a definite Alannis Morrisette overload And calling someone not bright when you wear as a badge of stupidity the fact you only researched the details of the referendum the day after you voted is even funnier Waylon Smithers! Where have you been my old light-on-his-feet friend? Did the post about gathering a collection of bumchums to like your posts touch a nerve lol. I see one of them has ridden to the rescue already! You never can handle a bit of pisstaking without a complete sense of humour failure! You're well known for it on here lol I have no idea what post you are on about, nothing you say has any relevance to me so carry on with your brilliant rapier like shit sorry wit |
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what a way to live your life S****, keep it simple or your head will explode again hopefully, you need to keep taking those meds weird one.
