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Post by walrus on Aug 26, 2017 21:43:47 GMT
Sorry if it's already being discussed elsewhere. What did you make of it? A lot of pundits, Garth Crooks, particularly, have been criticising the decision.
I don't often find myself defending Mike Dean, and he certainly made some mistakes today, but what choice does he have when the league dictate to referees that going to the crowd in celebration is a bookable offence? Referees can't start picking and choosing when they want to follow the rules.
Should the rule be changed?
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 26, 2017 21:55:25 GMT
Think that the police may have an objection to a rule change. Definitely a second yellow.
Harry
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Post by robinplumpton on Aug 26, 2017 22:01:20 GMT
Mike Dean underlining every letter of the law early in the season, before it is conveniently forgotten within a few games and ignored? Boy , Mike must be really pissed off he hasn't been in charge of a Stoke game yet
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 26, 2017 22:01:30 GMT
Games about passion last minute winner . Card somes modern game up
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Post by thehoof on Aug 26, 2017 22:02:19 GMT
It seems pretty typical Mike Dean. Ake commits a clear sending off offence and gets a yellow card, Sterling scores a winner in the 97th minute against a bunch of time wasting cheating f... wits, on a ground where you only have to breath out to be in contact with the crowd and the worst referee in the history of the game proves he has to be at the centre of attention.
It happens with Dean far to often. I just despise the guy.
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 26, 2017 22:07:13 GMT
Sorry if you book one you have book 6 all 6 players did the same somhow can you book one and not the others we critise players for not showing passion then they get booked when they do the rules suck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 22:08:13 GMT
hate to agree with Shearer but why not book the other 6/7 City players in the crowd.
To use this as a test case for future examples imo, don't book players still on the "turf", Sterling was still on the grass albeit outside of the lines of the pitch. If the fans come outside of the stands before you get there, tough shit, not the players fault.
As a side note;
PL is sold as "FANS MAKE IT". World will love that overspill of emotion.
Seems like everyone laments the disconnect between fans and players, then as soon as this happens the same people go mad.
Aguero has already got a lot of stick (for nothing), but still photos and the original story is that he assaulted a steward. He hasn't. He should he lauded (even if the steward reported an 'alleged' assault), he stuck up for a a human being (who happened to be fan) being assaulted.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 26, 2017 22:08:38 GMT
Joke decision.
As brilliantly funny as it was I can see why Adebayors celebration against Arsenal for Man City would get a yellow. (Totally worth it as well).
But for this to get a yellow is a joke. Even at this early stage of the season that win could be massive. They were celebrating in front of their fans. Stupid rule ultimately but I doubt anyone would have questioned Dean if he'd not booked him.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 26, 2017 22:11:21 GMT
Fair enough it was a yellow but other man city players did the same and didn't get booked. Sterling is getting penalised for being the goalscorer.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 26, 2017 22:14:20 GMT
Entering the crowd is a bookabke offence. However, Sterling I don't think entered the crowd, the crowd had breached the hoardings and were at the side of the pitch. Very harsh as it shouldn't be a booking in the first place IMO
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Post by walrus on Aug 26, 2017 22:24:34 GMT
Mike Dean underlining every letter of the law early in the season, before it is conveniently forgotten within a few games and ignored? Boy , Mike must be really pissed off he hasn't been in charge of a Stoke game yet Mike Dean is notorious for that but I feel that he would have given the same booking at any point in the season. |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 26, 2017 22:30:47 GMT
Players really don't need to do that and with modern seating arrangements being what they are kids and the elderly could easily get caught in the pile of bodies that inevitably results.
All very boring I know but a bit of common sense on this one is probably for the best.
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Post by liam007 on Aug 26, 2017 22:39:19 GMT
Correct me but did the Bournemouth lad(Daniels) run to the crowd when he scored.Take passion and emotion away from the game then you may aswell watch cricket.
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Post by liamo on Aug 26, 2017 22:43:46 GMT
He scored a last minute winner and celebrated with the fans, i get why these rules exist but they're sucking the passion out of it for your every day football fans by following them to the letter 100% of the time
Mike Dean is the person that reads terms and conditions before installing anything and then e-mails the creator pointing out typos
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Post by robinplumpton on Aug 26, 2017 22:43:52 GMT
Mike Dean underlining every letter of the law early in the season, before it is conveniently forgotten within a few games and ignored? Boy , Mike must be really pissed off he hasn't been in charge of a Stoke game yet Mike Dean is notorious for that but I feel that he would have given the same booking at any point in the season. If you are right and all his colleagues do the same, then even though it was a shitedecision, then some respect will be due. However, a I sincerely doubt that when the referees realise that the the unenforceable when reconciled with the indefensible, will mean this is conveniently forgotten. Mean while, Mike Dean achieves top of the class in in the refereeing Hogwarts, before it's forgotten. If it was one of ours, I would be livid. It was never about crowd safety, or inciting anything. It was about Mike Dean being a Teacher pleaser |
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Post by stokefc on Aug 26, 2017 22:53:50 GMT
mike dean is a cunt end of
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Post by PB1863 on Aug 26, 2017 22:56:31 GMT
Sorry if it's already being discussed elsewhere. What did you make of it? A lot of pundits, Garth Crooks, particularly, have been criticising the decision. I don't often find myself defending Mike Dean, and he certainly made some mistakes today, but what choice does he have when the league dictate to referees that going to the crowd in celebration is a bookable offence? Referees can't start picking and choosing when they want to follow the rules. Should the rule be changed? Harsh but justified if that's the rule otherwise why is it there? I guess Sterling was the only one booked as he led the way for the other players to follow. The other thing is we weren't there to see the crowd surge pre goal which could be bordering on dangerous. If the city fans weren't on the pitch then it wouldn't have been an issue and no yellow card |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 26, 2017 23:00:25 GMT
Typical sanitised premier league shit, that's how all goals should be celebrated.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Aug 26, 2017 23:04:25 GMT
Entering the crowd is a bookabke offence. However, Sterling I don't think entered the crowd, the crowd had breached the hoardings and were at the side of the pitch. Very harsh as it shouldn't be a booking in the first place IMO b/mouth should be fined for not controlling the crowd properly. I wonder how far onto the pitch the interaction needs to take place before its deemed to be fan incursion and not player incursion? I must say though, in this circumstance with critical late goal being scored you could see this situation getting dramatically out of hand in a stadium of postage-stamp proportions. I was watching it live on TV and thought there was a punch up going on. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 26, 2017 23:05:12 GMT
Its an appalling decision and and a pathetic rule.
Its not Sterling's fault that the Man City fans go on the pitch, and if its to be consistent then he has to book most Man City players.
what had a player supposed to do after a last minute goal???.....Meditate in the centre circle?
and anyway when the Bournemouth player scored he went over an kicked the advertising hoardings!!!! no booking!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2017 23:11:19 GMT
Fair enough it was a yellow but other man city players did the same and didn't get booked. Sterling is getting penalised for being the goalscorer. Spot on, they should all have gotten a yellow, but maybe he was singled out for being the instigator. |
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Post by greyman on Aug 26, 2017 23:11:21 GMT
I recall Gary Cahill going into the crowd at Stoke last season after scoring late while on a yellow card. The ref bottled it that day. Rules only apply at certain times.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 26, 2017 23:33:43 GMT
I don't understand how you can get booked for celebrating with your own fans.....
Yet score at the opposition end and run past the oppositions supporters with your finger to your mouth (in a shush manner), or a cupped hand to your ear and get absolutely nothing at all is totally fuckin rediculous!!!
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Post by walrus on Aug 27, 2017 9:42:17 GMT
I don't understand how you can get booked for celebrating with your own fans..... Yet score at the opposition end and run past the oppositions supporters with your finger to your mouth (in a shush manner), or a cupped hand to your ear and get absolutely nothing at all is totally fuckin rediculous!!! Officially it's a safety thing - running into the fans can create a dangerous surge of people. I take your point though. I've also heard it said that the reason that taking your shirt off is a booking is because the media always use pictures of goal celebrations in their coverage, and sponsors were getting pissed off that their logos weren't making it into some of them. I can totally believe that. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2017 9:55:07 GMT
Entering the crowd is a bookabke offence. However, Sterling I don't think entered the crowd, the crowd had breached the hoardings and were at the side of the pitch. Very harsh as it shouldn't be a booking in the first place IMO That's how I saw it as well. If Sterling had jumped over the perimeter fence and ended up in the first row of seats, I would have had no sympathy for him. As it was he ran towards the crowd (fair enough) but the crowd also ran towards him and they met ON THE GRASS SURROUNDING THE PITCH. I don't see why he should be yellow carded for that. No doubt the resumption of the game (or the final whistle?) was delayed but that was down more to the crowd on the pitch than any action by Sterling. Even if he had not run towards the crowd they would still have got onto the pitch and delayed the resumption/end of the game. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 27, 2017 10:11:34 GMT
It's a bollocks decision from Dean. If he doesn't give the yellow, nobody would be e bat an eyelid.
He saw an opportunity to be centre of attention, and he grabbed it. You can tell from his mannerisms that he absolutely loves being in the limelight and craves the power that comes from his profession. That much has been abundantly clear for a very long time.
It's all very well saying he's just carried out the letter of the law, but that's ignoring the fact he didn't book any of the other players that also did the very same thing. Does the letter of the law state "if numerous players celebrate with the crowd after a goal is scored, just pick one at random and give him the yellow card"? Does it bollocks.
The guy saw an opportunity to exert his power and create a moment of controversy that would get his name in the public domain and just couldn't help himself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2017 10:13:36 GMT
It's a bollocks decision from Dean. If he doesn't give the yellow, nobody would be e bat an eyelid. He saw an opportunity to be centre of attention, and he grabbed it. You can tell from his mannerisms that he absolutely loves being in the limelight and craves the power that comes from his profession. That much has been abundantly clear for a very long time. It's all very well saying he's just carried out the letter of the law, but that's ignoring the fact he didn't book any of the other players that also did the very same thing. Does the letter of the law state "if numerous players celebrate with the crowd after a goal is scored, just pick one at random and give him the yellow card"? Does it bollocks. The guy saw an opportunity to exert his power and create a moment of controversy that would get his name in the public domain and just couldn't help himself. They never book all of them and just book the goalscorer though. Agreed that it's bollocks but that's what they do. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 27, 2017 10:17:08 GMT
It's a bollocks decision from Dean. If he doesn't give the yellow, nobody would be e bat an eyelid. He saw an opportunity to be centre of attention, and he grabbed it. You can tell from his mannerisms that he absolutely loves being in the limelight and craves the power that comes from his profession. That much has been abundantly clear for a very long time. It's all very well saying he's just carried out the letter of the law, but that's ignoring the fact he didn't book any of the other players that also did the very same thing. Does the letter of the law state "if numerous players celebrate with the crowd after a goal is scored, just pick one at random and give him the yellow card"? Does it bollocks. The guy saw an opportunity to exert his power and create a moment of controversy that would get his name in the public domain and just couldn't help himself. They never book all of them and just book the goalscorer though. Agreed that it's bollocks but that's what they do. It's a bollocks decision for me, and only happened because of the person in charge of the game. Common sense does still have a part to play in the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 10:43:26 GMT
The real question here is if you had an opportunity to punch Mike Dean in the face, without there being any consequences...
Would you punch him?
How hard would you punch him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 11:09:57 GMT
There was a situation last week when Alonso scored for Chelsea vs Spurs late in the game, then left the pitch to celebrate with the fans. He didn't get booked though he made two bookable offences in one. On a yellow card already for dissent, he should have been sent off like Sterling was. Next week there will be another situation like and the week after etc.
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