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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 11:59:20 GMT
Can't help thinking that keepers should be at a smaller club so they see some action. Standing on the goal line watching the match for 80 out of 90 minutes is probably what has destroyed Hart as concentration is his biggest flaw. Jack's best quality is his braveness he just dives right in there face first. I suppose it doesn't really matter where he goes (except Arsenal)we will always see him as a Stokie. Agree re smaller clubs but that would probably negate European exploits and associated experience 😬
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Post by nsd on Aug 22, 2017 12:01:25 GMT
Jack will unfortunately go next summer to a top 6 club. We need to make sure we get 50m for him as he is that good. At least. I'd also like for us to identify and sign a replacement beforehand, as afterwards teams will know we've got a considerable amount of cash to spend on a replacement and prices will go up accordingly. It'd be an absolute travesty if Pickford is chosen as #1 over Jack. He's been first choice in the top flight for a single season...with a team that was relegated. He's a good keeper, but Southgate loves Jack from his U21 days so it should be his spot to lose. Hart should be nowhere near the squad, he's finished.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 17:36:21 GMT
Jack will unfortunately go next summer to a top 6 club. We need to make sure we get 50m for him as he is that good. At least. I'd also like for us to identify and sign a replacement beforehand, as afterwards teams will know we've got a considerable amount of cash to spend on a replacement and prices will go up accordingly. It'd be an absolute travesty if Pickford is chosen as #1 over Jack. He's been first choice in the top flight for a single season...with a team that was relegated. He's a good keeper, but Southgate loves Jack from his U21 days so it should be his spot to lose. Hart should be nowhere near the squad, he's finished. So you wouldn't take Hart here then if Jack leaves?
We might be able to fix his problems.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 22, 2017 17:41:08 GMT
At least. I'd also like for us to identify and sign a replacement beforehand, as afterwards teams will know we've got a considerable amount of cash to spend on a replacement and prices will go up accordingly. It'd be an absolute travesty if Pickford is chosen as #1 over Jack. He's been first choice in the top flight for a single season...with a team that was relegated. He's a good keeper, but Southgate loves Jack from his U21 days so it should be his spot to lose. Hart should be nowhere near the squad, he's finished. So you wouldn't take Hart here then if Jack leaves?
We might be able to fix his problems.
I can honestly say no I wouldn't want Joe Hart here. His ability is without question. Even though I thought he was hard done to by the press after the Scotland game as they were two great free kicks I think mentally he has taken a massive kicking over the last 2-3 years. Some keepers work through it like Seaman did, others let it affect them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 17:43:12 GMT
Can't help thinking that keepers should be at a smaller club so they see some action. Standing on the goal line watching the match for 80 out of 90 minutes is probably what has destroyed Hart as concentration is his biggest flaw. Jack's best quality is his braveness he just dives right in there face first. I suppose it doesn't really matter where he goes (except Arsenal)we will always see him as a Stokie. Agree re smaller clubs but that would probably negate European exploits and associated experience 😬 Never seemed to hurt Gordon did it
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 22, 2017 18:16:43 GMT
Butland to Man Utd next season isn't as nailed on as you'd think. José has a hard on for Donnurruma of Milan. DunnaRumour ? Sound advice :-)
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Post by rawli on Aug 22, 2017 18:35:45 GMT
Barring another serious injury we will end up with a huge transfer fee for Jack. It may be an inadvertent final gift from Pulis. The £3.3 million we paid for him is looking like incredibly good business. Pulis didn't want to sign him Not front of shop enough.
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Post by duckling on Aug 22, 2017 19:10:53 GMT
It'd be an absolute travesty if Pickford is chosen as #1 over Jack. He's been first choice in the top flight for a single season...with a team that was relegated. How much did you see of him last season? He was spectacular. His distribution is outstanding. The fact Sunderland were relegated says nothing about his performances. Heaton is probably the second best goalkeeper, Heaton is very underrated. Does he have family connections to Burnley? That's the only explanation I can think of for him staying with them in the Championship and accepting a relative pittance of a salary - £35k a week. If/when Butland leaves, Heaton would be my first choice to replace him. Two others in the Premier League to consider are Robles at Everton and Ospina at Arsenal. Both of them are good enough to start for a team aiming for mid-table, and they are on affordable wages. I'm not sure either would be a big upgrade on Grant in terms of ability, but they are several years younger. I'm not that familiar with goalkeepers outside England and can't say who would be a good target.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 22, 2017 19:20:43 GMT
He deserves a call up, but I will be chilled if he doesn't get it.
In hindsight we could have done without butland being called up for England and affellay called up for a holland.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 22, 2017 21:38:13 GMT
Did anyone hear a Spurs fan call in to the Radio 5 606 chat show on Sunday? He was lamenting the error of Hugo Lloris against Chelsea and his fix for the problem was that Spurs should sign Jack Butland to add some competition for Lloris and keep him on his mettle. It always amuses me the arrogance of some of the fans of the big clubs. To be fair to Ian Wright he was very quick to slap the guy down, 'Jack Butland is not a number 2' he told him almost before the fella could finish his sentence! I've been saying for years Lloris is one of the most overrated keepers in the Premier League, I'm surprised his ability and position as Spurs' number 1 hasn't been questioned until now tbh. finally, someone else sees it, he costs them more points with his shit 'playing out from the back' and rash decision making then he saves them with wonder saves. He's getting worse year on year too.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 22, 2017 21:41:36 GMT
It'd be an absolute travesty if Pickford is chosen as #1 over Jack. He's been first choice in the top flight for a single season...with a team that was relegated. How much did you see of him last season? He was spectacular. His distribution is outstanding. The fact Sunderland were relegated says nothing about his performances. Heaton is probably the second best goalkeeper, Heaton is very underrated. Does he have family connections to Burnley? That's the only explanation I can think of for him staying with them in the Championship and accepting a relative pittance of a salary - £35k a week. If/when Butland leaves, Heaton would be my first choice to replace him. Two others in the Premier League to consider are Robles at Everton and Ospina at Arsenal. Both of them are good enough to start for a team aiming for mid-table, and they are on affordable wages. I'm not sure either would be a big upgrade on Grant in terms of ability, but they are several years younger. I'm not that familiar with goalkeepers outside England and can't say who would be a good target. Pickfords kicking is outrageously good.
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 22, 2017 21:44:58 GMT
How much did you see of him last season? He was spectacular. His distribution is outstanding. The fact Sunderland were relegated says nothing about his performances. Heaton is very underrated. Does he have family connections to Burnley? That's the only explanation I can think of for him staying with them in the Championship and accepting a relative pittance of a salary - £35k a week. If/when Butland leaves, Heaton would be my first choice to replace him. Two others in the Premier League to consider are Robles at Everton and Ospina at Arsenal. Both of them are good enough to start for a team aiming for mid-table, and they are on affordable wages. I'm not sure either would be a big upgrade on Grant in terms of ability, but they are several years younger. I'm not that familiar with goalkeepers outside England and can't say who would be a good target. Pickfords kicking is outrageously good. Is it? I haven't seen a great deal of him but his kicking last night was atrocious at times.
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Post by duckling on Aug 22, 2017 21:51:44 GMT
Pickfords kicking is outrageously good. Is it? I haven't seen a great deal of him but his kicking last night was atrocious at times. He has some inconsistency as you'd expect from any goalkeeper especially such a young inexperienced one. But overall his kicking is really fucking good. He would have been perfect for Allardyce's long ball England team.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 23, 2017 7:13:32 GMT
Pickfords kicking is outrageously good. Is it? I haven't seen a great deal of him but his kicking last night was atrocious at times. Was poor last night but he was still only a couple of inches out of you think about it. As you'll see from duckling above his kicking is nuts
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2017 22:24:45 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Aug 23, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
Probably the easiest decision Southgate will ever have to make
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 23, 2017 22:37:45 GMT
He was brilliant with the kids tonight during half time having loads of photos taken
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 22:42:14 GMT
He was brilliant with the kids tonight during half time having loads of photos taken Wollscheid was the same at the end mate. Top blokes :-)
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 23, 2017 22:57:24 GMT
Bollocks to Pickfords' kicking,until he can rabona the balls into the carry net like Jack tonight,there's only one choice for England's number one.....
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 23, 2017 23:07:21 GMT
He was brilliant with the kids tonight during half time having loads of photos taken He was brilliant and gave his gloves to our youngest who had been a mascot tonight but was feeling under the weather all day.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 23, 2017 23:11:23 GMT
He was brilliant with the kids tonight during half time having loads of photos taken He was brilliant and gave his gloves to our youngest who had been a mascot tonight but was feeling under the weather all day. I bet he is made up, and I bet those gloves look brand new
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 23, 2017 23:13:06 GMT
He was brilliant and gave his gloves to our youngest who had been a mascot tonight but was feeling under the weather all day. I bet he is made up, and I bet those gloves look brand new They seem pretty new, yeah mate. He'd been proper low and not himself (typical on such an exciting day!) but Jack certainly helped make things better!
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Post by kiwistokie on Aug 23, 2017 23:41:09 GMT
Remember that our current number 2 is a goood keeper and last season was our number 1
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 23, 2017 23:58:18 GMT
Remember that our current number 2 is a goood keeper and last season was our number 1 What has that got to do with the price of fish?
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