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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2017 16:20:43 GMT
If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. To be fair with the Journo's most of them will just be going off our 13th place finish last year. If we had got 2 or 3 more points (which I know we didn't before anyone says so!) and finished 8th do you still think they'd be tipping us for relegation? I think not. Yes everything's not rosy but a ball hasn't been kicked in anger and there's 38 games to be played so let's be realistic eh? I agree that some are probably going just on results / points to formulate an opinion - however I would suggest that our results / points were actually better than the general level of performance we produced last season so I think I will stick with being fairly downbeat about our prospects until there is evidence of change for the better!
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2017 16:21:41 GMT
For certain, it doesn't look like he's going to pump in much of his families new found fortune and I'm not totally sure I'd want him to.this madness of over spending will come to an end at some point and I feel we'll be in a very strong position when it does, providing were still in the Premiership. Why would a top class player come to Stoke, one simple answer, money. Sadly it's not the most desirable area to live in and even though we think we're famous, sadly our ones piece of silverware says differently, that's the reality. Believe me, agents and advisors of good players will do due diligence on a club who showed a serious interest in them and as part of that they would scour social media to gain the fans reaction to the club and other players currently at the club, doesn't really make pretty reading does it? It's chicken and egg though Si, surely? The mood is driven by the club's actions, and there really isn't much to suggest any progress is being made is there? We have gaps in the squad, our best player has left and it appears we are trying to go about things on the cheap at a time when the club is awash with money and one of the top 20-30 richest in the world. There still appears to be no discernible plan with the season a week away. It's not all doom and gloom, but it isn't 'ungrateful' to be worried. Totally agree
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 6, 2017 16:38:45 GMT
Its the milennials and the playstation generation.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2017 17:02:58 GMT
As for Brexit, different debate and not sure how that came about on this thread. I own several businesses in a European country and 60% of my business was from Brits, how do you think I voted? With a pencil ?
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 17:03:00 GMT
It's chicken and egg though Si, surely? The mood is driven by the club's actions, and there really isn't much to suggest any progress is being made is there? We have gaps in the squad, our best player has left and it appears we are trying to go about things on the cheap at a time when the club is awash with money and one of the top 20-30 richest in the world. There still appears to be no discernible plan with the season a week away. It's not all doom and gloom, but it isn't 'ungrateful' to be worried. Totally agree Can't argue with that Toxic. That's not my gripe, if you look at my original post, I've stated that I'm disappointed, it's just the total negativity that's awash at the moment about a lot of stuff and in my opinion it's not necessary. You put your views very elegant manner without any abuse. Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if everyone did that. 😉 Yes, I know, I was a little aggressive and belittling but I was trying to make a point which most in this thread have understood.
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Post by olimje on Aug 6, 2017 17:13:34 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 6, 2017 17:37:26 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. It's about perception. There has always been negativity on here. Some were regularly negative during the Pulis years. And just to make sure we don't forget it, they're negative now every time Pulis's name crops up. They probably see themselves as being positive now they've got a manager they approve of. You say "differing opinions are great", but I wonder how many really think that. There's almost become a kind of "Politically Correct" type of post on here. There are many people who read this MB without posting. I've asked a few why they don't post and they say they wouldn't want the abuse they know they'd get. There are people who regularly post on here whose views I don't agree with. So what? They might not agree with mine either. We don't need each others' approval. If you've got a view, post it on here. If you see something you feel strongly enough to argue about then respond with an argument, not abuse. If you can't stand other people holding opinions you don't like, then best not come on here. Any perceived "negativity" on here is unlikely to transfer into the stadium when we line up against Arsenal, just as it didn't usually when Pulis was here. The crowd always start by getting behind the team, then react depending on how the game unfolds. Have a nice day.
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Post by mrred on Aug 6, 2017 17:40:03 GMT
Whilst the club stare down the barrel of relegation- which will have been a long time coming, we're stood round with our hands in our pockets and scratching our arses doing nothing about it.
Our signings so far have been completely middle of the road, the squads weaker than last season, Hughes looks to be playing the same ineffective systems as last season and our Director of Football, presumably sitting on a mountain of cocaine is coming out with statements about 1 million fucking quid players.
There's a lot of cause for concern, the club look utterly lost this preseason.
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Post by philb on Aug 6, 2017 18:33:06 GMT
Whilst the club stare down the barrel of relegation- which will have been a long time coming, we're stood round with our hands in our pockets and scratching our arses doing nothing about it. Our signings so far have been completely middle of the road, the squads weaker than last season, Hughes looks to be playing the same ineffective systems as last season and our Director of Football, presumably sitting on a mountain of cocaine is coming out with statements about 1 million fucking quid players. There's a lot of cause for concern, the club look utterly lost this preseason. And on it goes..............🙄 I'll be more worried IF the club look utterly lost DURING the season, which by the way hasn't started yet, the window hasn't closed yet and we've still got 38 games to play.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2017 18:40:50 GMT
God knows what it is going to be like on here if we lose the first 8 matches. Personally I don't think there is too much to worry about yet. Everyone seems to forget who we beat yesterday and there is still time to buy some squad improving players and off-load more dead wood. Meanwhile the social media will be apoplectic.
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Post by rawli on Aug 6, 2017 19:18:18 GMT
For all us older supporters we need to remember how far we have come from 1999 from the team in 1999 to todays team Why not pick 1929?
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Post by rawli on Aug 6, 2017 19:27:13 GMT
Disagree that the owner's motivation isn't to make money from the club. We are a walking billboard for Bet365.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 19:34:34 GMT
Disagree that the owner's motivation isn't to make money from the club. We are a walking billboard for Bet365. And bet 365 have is the biggest sponsorship deal the club has ever had no? The family I guess now has access to more money than this generation of Coates would ever be able to spend so making a few million out of a football club I don't think will change their lives. Choosing to invest the amounts that the like of Abromovich has is a different matter altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 19:36:47 GMT
Disagree that the owner's motivation isn't to make money from the club. We are a walking billboard for Bet365. Said the same on this or another thread Rawli thosands of pounds worth of free advertising
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2017 19:59:23 GMT
For all us older supporters we need to remember how far we have come from 1999 from the team in 1999 to todays team Why not pick 1929? for one i'm not that old and I can remember back in the 3rd teir 1999
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Post by gibby1409 on Aug 6, 2017 20:00:29 GMT
Theres a difference between negativity, and certain posters who are disappointed when we play well & win? If I think the team has played crap, I'll say so, that's my opinion, equally I'll do the same if we play well. The is the forum for opinion, and long may it remain. However, when there are "fans" who actively want us to lose games, and flood the message board when we do, then that is what makes us a bit of a laughing stock. Those same posters disappear from view when we win, which tell's you everything you need to know about them. The nature of message boards is that anyone can join, and who knows if some of the "fans" I'm talking about are really Stoke fans or not. But I can honestly say in over 45 years of supporting Stoke, I have never wanted us to lose a game, ever! The other thing we need to remember, is that this message board only represents a small percentage of Stoke fan's, so don't lets kid ourselves that the opinions of a few doom merchants is the view of all Stoke fan's, because it's not. In my opinion anyway
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Post by steventaaffe on Aug 6, 2017 20:47:50 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. totally agree, thing is on here, if you express your own opinion then the keyboard warriors can't wait to attack you, some posts I've seen where it gets personal and it's laughable, they wouldn't be so cock sure if it wasn't on cyber space and it was face to face, mugs! It's all words, I didn't know we had many little bitches supporting our club until I came on this forum.....
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 20:59:20 GMT
Theres a difference between negativity, and certain posters who are disappointed when we play well & win? If I think the team has played crap, I'll say so, that's my opinion, equally I'll do the same if we play well. The is the forum for opinion, and long may it remain. However, when there are "fans" who actively want us to lose games, and flood the message board when we do, then that is what makes us a bit of a laughing stock. Those same posters disappear from view when we win, which tell's you everything you need to know about them. The nature of message boards is that anyone can join, and who knows if some of the "fans" I'm talking about are really Stoke fans or not. But I can honestly say in over 45 years of supporting Stoke, I have never wanted us to lose a game, ever! The other thing we need to remember, is that this message board only represents a small percentage of Stoke fan's, so don't lets kid ourselves that the opinions of a few doom merchants is the view of all Stoke fan's, because it's not. In my opinion anyway A sound and balanced view. Sadly you look through any social media these days and the doom mongers seem to be a lot more active than the folk with more reasoning. I honestly fear we are turning into a club with too many glory hunters who only follow the club because we're in the Prem. What would our average gate be if we had a couple of seasons in the championship. I have great respect for clubs like Derby, a similar size city whose team have bounced up and down between the two divisions and let's face it, they've had their problems in the past few years but have maintained a good level of support. My only request is that everyone gets behind the team this season and who knows what could happen. Let's claim that 9th place back or even better it and have a good run in a cup. If the chairman of the club knows the community is behind him he's more likely to invest more.
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Post by mrred on Aug 6, 2017 21:06:37 GMT
Whilst the club stare down the barrel of relegation- which will have been a long time coming, we're stood round with our hands in our pockets and scratching our arses doing nothing about it. Our signings so far have been completely middle of the road, the squads weaker than last season, Hughes looks to be playing the same ineffective systems as last season and our Director of Football, presumably sitting on a mountain of cocaine is coming out with statements about 1 million fucking quid players. There's a lot of cause for concern, the club look utterly lost this preseason. And on it goes..............🙄 I'll be more worried IF the club look utterly lost DURING the season, which by the way hasn't started yet, the window hasn't closed yet and we've still got 38 games to play. You we're asleep during last season then? I've seen very little during preseason to suggest anything has changed. I would bet my fucking mortgage that we look just as poor in 6 weeks time.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 21:08:54 GMT
Disagree that the owner's motivation isn't to make money from the club. We are a walking billboard for Bet365. Said the same on this or another thread Rawli thosands of pounds worth of free advertising Wayne, it's not free advertising. They pay for shirt sponsorship and for the naming rights of the stadium. The biggest sponsorship deal the club has ever had, how can that be free? Booooooom. This sort of comment is exactly what the thread is about. Un founded and inaccurate negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 21:15:35 GMT
Said the same on this or another thread Rawli thosands of pounds worth of free advertising Wayne, it's not free advertising. They pay for shirt sponsorship and for the naming rights of the stadium. The biggest sponsorship deal the club has ever had, how can that be free? Booooooom. This sort of comment is exactly what the thread is about. Un founded and inaccurate negativity. Yeah ok Menorca, anything that doesnt agree with your views is negativity. Its a forum for honest views, You have yours and just because mine dont agree with them does not make me negative Boooooooom ?????
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Post by philb on Aug 6, 2017 21:16:44 GMT
And on it goes..............🙄 I'll be more worried IF the club look utterly lost DURING the season, which by the way hasn't started yet, the window hasn't closed yet and we've still got 38 games to play. You we're asleep during last season then? I've seen very little during preseason to suggest anything has changed. I would bet my fucking mortgage that we look just as poor in 6 weeks time. And in those six weeks we play Arsenal, Man Utd, and Chelsea at Home and Everton away so any sensible Stoke fan will realise that we perhaps won't realistically pick up many points in those 6 weeks.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 6, 2017 21:47:00 GMT
As for Brexit, different debate and not sure how that came about on this thread. I own several businesses in a European country and 60% of my business was from Brits, how do you think I voted? It was more a comment based on your blasè disregard of people with a different viewpoint to your own as 'thick' rather than your business interests, Sir Alan 😎
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 21:53:11 GMT
Wayne, it's not free advertising. They pay for shirt sponsorship and for the naming rights of the stadium. The biggest sponsorship deal the club has ever had, how can that be free? Booooooom. This sort of comment is exactly what the thread is about. Un founded and inaccurate negativity. Yeah ok Menorca, anything that doesnt agree with your views is negativity. Its a forum for honest views, You have yours and just because mine dont agree with them does not make me negative Boooooooom ????? Oh dear god, Wayne, this isn't about opinion, it's about fact. You've said that bet 365 ( Coates family) are having free advertising from the club, well they're not. You're being negative because it's not true. They pay the club around 8 million, yes, 8 million pounds a year for the right to sponsor the stadium and shirts, hardly free is it. www.totalsportek.com/money/stoke-city-sign-stadium-naming-right-deal-bet365/That's what I'm talking about negativity when in real terms it's positive.
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Post by rawli on Aug 6, 2017 22:36:51 GMT
Yeah ok Menorca, anything that doesnt agree with your views is negativity. Its a forum for honest views, You have yours and just because mine dont agree with them does not make me negative Boooooooom ????? Oh dear god, Wayne, this isn't about opinion, it's about fact. You've said that bet 365 ( Coates family) are having free advertising from the club, well they're not. You're being negative because it's not true. They pay the club around 8 million, yes, 8 million pounds a year for the right to sponsor the stadium and shirts, hardly free is it. www.totalsportek.com/money/stoke-city-sign-stadium-naming-right-deal-bet365/That's what I'm talking about negativity when in real terms it's positive. We get less than half of what Crystal Palace get from their betting company sponsor.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 22:51:29 GMT
Oh dear god, Wayne, this isn't about opinion, it's about fact. You've said that bet 365 ( Coates family) are having free advertising from the club, well they're not. You're being negative because it's not true. They pay the club around 8 million, yes, 8 million pounds a year for the right to sponsor the stadium and shirts, hardly free is it. www.totalsportek.com/money/stoke-city-sign-stadium-naming-right-deal-bet365/That's what I'm talking about negativity when in real terms it's positive. We get less than half of what Crystal Palace get from their betting company sponsor. Rawli, you're missing the point.
The original thread was about people like Wayne who quote unfounded or incorrect information as a negative towards the club. In his words, bet 365 gets free advertising from the club, that's simply not true is it? Whether the deal is good, bad or indifferent from what other clubs get is a different matter,, the fact is, it isn't free advertising, they pay 8 million pounds a year for it.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 23:02:07 GMT
As for Brexit, different debate and not sure how that came about on this thread. I own several businesses in a European country and 60% of my business was from Brits, how do you think I voted? It was more a comment based on your blasè disregard of people with a different viewpoint to your own as 'thick' rather than your business interests, Sir Alan 😎 There is a difference between differing view points and people making things up or believing utter garbish, that's my point, see the example above, sadly there is a lot of it that goes on. Anyway, You're fired. 😉
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Post by rawli on Aug 6, 2017 23:40:30 GMT
We get less than half of what Crystal Palace get from their betting company sponsor. Rawli, you're missing the point.
The original thread was about people like Wayne who quote unfounded or incorrect information as a negative towards the club. In his words, bet 365 gets free advertising from the club, that's simply not true is it? Whether the deal is good, bad or indifferent from what other clubs get is a different matter,, the fact is, it isn't free advertising, they pay 8 million pounds a year for it. Ok. They are getting it on the cheap. Which directly contradicts the spin that we are owned by a kindly benefactor who is the club's number 1 supporter. I believe we are being run as an advertising vehicle for bet365 with the manager given the remit to avoid relegation on as tight a budget as possible.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 23:44:08 GMT
Rawli, please, that has nothing to do with the thread, you're missing the point my friend.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 7, 2017 0:00:35 GMT
Never believe anything you read on the internet concerning signings. The papers are even worse ! Chill out and let the football do the talking. Next weekend it's going to be up and down. I can't wait ;-) Its going to be good, we have a team and I am going to support them and the manager. I suggest everyone else does the same.... One good thing for the eternal moaners...if we get hammered every week...at least we will be on MOTD early every week, leaving time to do the Mrs before midnight ;-)
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