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Post by thevoid on Aug 6, 2017 10:44:13 GMT
What's the betting he voted Remain Well he probably did because he can at least string a sentence together Thanks for proving my point
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Post by barcaontrent on Aug 6, 2017 10:52:40 GMT
The attitude of "look how far we have come compared to 10 years ago" is one of the main reasons we are in this messy
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Post by simple on Aug 6, 2017 10:54:42 GMT
If we get relagated which I don't think we will even if we brought no one in,it's still Stoke city who we will watch week in and week out.If so called fans say they will not attend if we got relagated then we are better off without them. So it's all ok to who's no ambition and accept our fate - what utter crap The ambition of the club will be to stay in this league,the ambition of some fans will be top four.I would love to see a Stoke team compeating in the Prem with 11 local lads that's my ambition.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 6, 2017 11:25:02 GMT
"Remember where we came from" and the like drive me absolutely mad. Yes in the past we didn't have it so good, but the past is the past. You can learn from it, but the more you hold on to it the slower you move forward.
If you're happy with how things look then fine. Millions behind the clubs we're competing with in transfer spends this summer (in a summer where we clearly need changes), taking years to expand a stadium that we've been filling every game, plenty of amateurishness off the pitch too, but don't judge everyone else by your standards. Some want more, and questions certainly have to be asked. Let's hope we make some brilliant deals in the next three weeks or so, or we might be heading back to somewhere similar to the past that some keep harping on about.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 6, 2017 11:35:41 GMT
A player chose another club over Stoke...... Shock, horror...... This doesn't mean we are a failure. It's not only money, latest league position and ambition which attracts players..... Location (coast and close to the smoke and airport for instance) Those factors don't stop Leicester signing and retaining good players , it's a willingness to throw enough cash 💰 at the player and his agent , simples Harry Agreed, but I was on about Southampton in this instance. We've done some good business late on in the window.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 11:37:33 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. Happy clapping, poor little stoke, making excuses for the club as to why they don't spend.
As a supporter of the club you should be asking WHY are we not spending? Not rolling out drivel about how the owner isn't trying to make money. Lets be frank that's what he does. He is a business man.
Attacking other people by stating their view is moronic just because it differs from yours and then going on to suggest they are a bit thick, well pot calling kettle comes to mind.
Just accept some people are more anxious about our current plight than you are.
I'm certain every Stoke fan would love to be posting about how we are really looking forward to the new season with our new signings that we have made by reinvesting last years premiership money as well as lauding the new player signed for a club record to replace Arni.
But it hasn't happened has it? so until it does people including myself will post negative things.
Seems to me some of our supporters support Peter Coates before they support the club.
That's my opinion and if you want to kid yourself that I'm a bit thick go ahead, be my guest. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 11:40:37 GMT
I've always had the philosophy of keeping my staff well informed of what's going on in my business and generally things have worked out fine with happy staff , this I think is the problem with the club no one seems to know what's going on so lots of speculation and eventually negative vibes and feeling, I'm not saying the supporters need to know everything just the general direction . But we're not staff are we? We're simply paying customers. I don't recall M&S telling me that they were recruiting a new assistant in the underwear department. Although that has made shopping for Y fronts a far more pleasurable experience. Remember "The customer is always right"
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 6, 2017 11:59:25 GMT
What's with all this 'happy-clapping' bollox? I'm not a happy-clapper. I'm a realist... always have been, always will be. Of course we can improve! But unless you're one of the top six or seven clubs then it's never going to be easy to do that. Our best player (IMHO) Arnie, wanted out. We couldn't prevent that. Besides Arnie, players who were past their best have also left. And what's really excouraging is that we haven't lost to Rhyl this pre-season.
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 6, 2017 12:04:27 GMT
I've always had the philosophy of keeping my staff well informed of what's going on in my business and generally things have worked out fine with happy staff , this I think is the problem with the club no one seems to know what's going on so lots of speculation and eventually negative vibes and feeling, I'm not saying the supporters need to know everything just the general direction . But we're not staff are we? We're simply paying customers. I don't recall M&S telling me that they were recruiting a new assistant in the underwear department. Although that has made shopping for Y fronts a far more pleasurable experience. Your right we're not staff but supporting a football team going to games with all the ups and downs means much more than being a paying customer your more involved or at least that's how I see it !
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 6, 2017 12:12:39 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. To save the effort of looking at these relegation picks can you list the many that have tipped us for relegation or provide links?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 6, 2017 12:13:12 GMT
But we're not staff are we? We're simply paying customers. I don't recall M&S telling me that they were recruiting a new assistant in the underwear department. Although that has made shopping for Y fronts a far more pleasurable experience. Your right we're not staff but supporting a football team going to games with all the ups and downs means much more than being a paying customer your more involved or at least that's how I see it ! Of course you're right. I was being facetious. It would be nice to be kept informed but we don't have a right to it. In fact the club would be stupid to do it in some cases as it would be giving competitors the heads up.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 6, 2017 12:14:31 GMT
If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. To save the effort of looking at these relegation picks can you list the many that have tipped us for relegation or provide links? If you can't be arsed to Google, why should he provide links?
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Post by orfyboothen on Aug 6, 2017 12:36:39 GMT
Maybe just maybe there is good reason for the negativity? People are genuinely worried that we will get relegated and can't see that the club are doing anything to stop that. People will panic, it's what people do. Plenty off us don't panic. What a crap generalisation.
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Post by orfyboothen on Aug 6, 2017 12:38:53 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. Happy clapping, poor little stoke, making excuses for the club as to why they don't spend.
As a supporter of the club you should be asking WHY are we not spending? Not rolling out drivel about how the owner isn't trying to make money. Lets be frank that's what he does. He is a business man.
Attacking other people by stating their view is moronic just because it differs from yours and then going on to suggest they are a bit thick, well pot calling kettle comes to mind.
Just accept some people are more anxious about our current plight than you are.
I'm certain every Stoke fan would love to be posting about how we are really looking forward to the new season with our new signings that we have made by reinvesting last years premiership money as well as lauding the new player signed for a club record to replace Arni.
But it hasn't happened has it? so until it does people including myself will post negative things.
Seems to me some of our supporters support Peter Coates before they support the club.
That's my opinion and if you want to kid yourself that I'm a bit thick go ahead, be my guest. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
There is a whole raft of moderate people between happy clapping and those with a pathological negativity. The OP was hardly happy clapping was he?
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Post by orfyboothen on Aug 6, 2017 12:40:11 GMT
"Remember where we came from" and the like drive me absolutely mad. Yes in the past we didn't have it so good, but the past is the past. You can learn from it, but the more you hold on to it the slower you move forward. If you're happy with how things look then fine. Millions behind the clubs we're competing with in transfer spends this summer (in a summer where we clearly need changes), taking years to expand a stadium that we've been filling every game, plenty of amateurishness off the pitch too, but don't judge everyone else by your standards. Some want more, and questions certainly have to be asked. Let's hope we make some brilliant deals in the next three weeks or so, or we might be heading back to somewhere similar to the past that some keep harping on about. Can't you be slightly unhappy with where we are but not be obsessed with negatively viewing every aspect of the club?
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2017 12:46:15 GMT
If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. To save the effort of looking at these relegation picks can you list the many that have tipped us for relegation or provide links? This was me reading them at the news-stand in Morrisons! ( to mean to pay for them!) Jim Holden in the Express was one, Custis and one of the other main football writers in the Sun were others off the top of my head. In some cases it wasn't just relegation it was actually finishing rock bottom!
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 6, 2017 13:04:45 GMT
To save the effort of looking at these relegation picks can you list the many that have tipped us for relegation or provide links? If you can't be arsed to Google, why should he provide links? I'm driving
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2017 13:12:11 GMT
For all us older supporters we need to remember how far we have come from 1999 from the team in 1999 to todays team Data source please. Is the graph accurate, before last season we had 3 9th places (as I am in the habit of saying)?
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 13:52:08 GMT
Happy clapping. Well, to give you a bit of background. In the 90's I was a lot more active than the average fan in protesting against the chairman and vice chairman of the day. The club was in a terrible state both on and off the pitch. I spent considerable time and effort trying to force the owners of the time to sell the club which eventually they did. My point, if I disagree with something I'm passionate about I'll do something about it. At this point in time, our club is well run on and off the pitch and yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending multi millions right now however, I trust our current chairman to do right by our club. The last thing he wants is to be relegated and I don't see him letting it happen.
I don't know what he's doing and what his motivation is but we are where we are because of him so let's trust that he knows what he's doing.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 13:54:34 GMT
As for Brexit, different debate and not sure how that came about on this thread. I own several businesses in a European country and 60% of my business was from Brits, how do you think I voted?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2017 14:09:48 GMT
Happy clapping. Well, to give you a bit of background. In the 90's I was a lot more active than the average fan in protesting against the chairman and vice chairman of the day. The club was in a terrible state both on and off the pitch. I spent considerable time and effort trying to force the owners of the time to sell the club which eventually they did. My point, if I disagree with something I'm passionate about I'll do something about it. At this point in time, our club is well run on and off the pitch and yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending multi millions right now however, I trust our current chairman to do right by our club. The last thing he wants is to be relegated and I don't see him letting it happen. I don't know what he's doing and what his motivation is but we are where we are because of him so let's trust that he knows what he's doing. So you once protested and spent time trying to force the owner at the time out of the club yet nowadays you trust our current chairman to do the right thing by the club? Weren't the bloke you were protesting against and the one you now trust the same person?
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2017 14:21:08 GMT
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 14:25:11 GMT
Happy clapping. Well, to give you a bit of background. In the 90's I was a lot more active than the average fan in protesting against the chairman and vice chairman of the day. The club was in a terrible state both on and off the pitch. I spent considerable time and effort trying to force the owners of the time to sell the club which eventually they did. My point, if I disagree with something I'm passionate about I'll do something about it. At this point in time, our club is well run on and off the pitch and yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending multi millions right now however, I trust our current chairman to do right by our club. The last thing he wants is to be relegated and I don't see him letting it happen. I don't know what he's doing and what his motivation is but we are where we are because of him so let's trust that he knows what he's doing. So you once protested and spent time trying to force the owner at the time out of the club yet nowadays you trust our current chairman to do the right thing by the club? Weren't the bloke you were protesting against and the one you now trust the same person? Spot on Dave. Show me any fan that was happy with the way the club was ran in the mid to late 90's and show me any fan that was unhappy the daywe were promoted? Oh yeah, it's Stoke, there were still some criticising him and the manager at the time. You have to hand it to PC on the turnaround of our club in his second coming. Did you ever think we would have done 10 years in the Prem in those dark days we had, honestly?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
So you once protested and spent time trying to force the owner at the time out of the club yet nowadays you trust our current chairman to do the right thing by the club? Weren't the bloke you were protesting against and the one you now trust the same person? Spot on Dave. Show me any fan that was happy with the way the club was ran in the mid to late 90's and show me any fan that was unhappy the daywe were promoted? Oh yeah, it's Stoke, there were still some criticising him and the manager at the time. You have to hand it to PC on the turnaround of our club in his second coming. Did you ever think we would have done 10 years in the Prem in those dark days we had, honestly? I didn't think we would no but unlike you, having protested long and hard to try and force change at the club in the 90's, I could never truly trust peter Coates and his intentions toward our club. I don't think he will be a single penny out of pocket since re-taking control of the club and suspect he's actually making a very tidy profit on his investment to date.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 6, 2017 14:41:00 GMT
I just thank my lucky stars that I'm not in the trenches with some of the fuckers because when the going seems to be getting tough... You can thank your lucky stars but you're not as smart as you like to think you are. She keeps my toothbrush in her apartment and she never complains, well hardly ever...
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 15:35:13 GMT
Spot on Dave. Show me any fan that was happy with the way the club was ran in the mid to late 90's and show me any fan that was unhappy the daywe were promoted? Oh yeah, it's Stoke, there were still some criticising him and the manager at the time. You have to hand it to PC on the turnaround of our club in his second coming. Did you ever think we would have done 10 years in the Prem in those dark days we had, honestly? I didn't think we would no but unlike you, having protested long and hard to try and force change at the club in the 90's, I could never truly trust peter Coates and his intentions toward our club. I don't think he will be a single penny out of pocket since re-taking control of the club and suspect he's actually making a very tidy profit on his investment to date. For certain, it doesn't look like he's going to pump in much of his families new found fortune and I'm not totally sure I'd want him to.this madness of over spending will come to an end at some point and I feel we'll be in a very strong position when it does, providing were still in the Premiership. Why would a top class player come to Stoke, one simple answer, money. Sadly it's not the most desirable area to live in and even though we think we're famous, sadly our ones piece of silverware says differently, that's the reality. Believe me, agents and advisors of good players will do due diligence on a club who showed a serious interest in them and as part of that they would scour social media to gain the fans reaction to the club and other players currently at the club, doesn't really make pretty reading does it?
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2017 15:47:34 GMT
Happy clapping, poor little stoke, making excuses for the club as to why they don't spend.
As a supporter of the club you should be asking WHY are we not spending? Not rolling out drivel about how the owner isn't trying to make money. Lets be frank that's what he does. He is a business man.
Attacking other people by stating their view is moronic just because it differs from yours and then going on to suggest they are a bit thick, well pot calling kettle comes to mind.
Just accept some people are more anxious about our current plight than you are.
I'm certain every Stoke fan would love to be posting about how we are really looking forward to the new season with our new signings that we have made by reinvesting last years premiership money as well as lauding the new player signed for a club record to replace Arni.
But it hasn't happened has it? so until it does people including myself will post negative things.
Seems to me some of our supporters support Peter Coates before they support the club.
That's my opinion and if you want to kid yourself that I'm a bit thick go ahead, be my guest. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
There is a whole raft of moderate people between happy clapping and those with a pathological negativity. The OP was hardly happy clapping was he? What ? In the same way anyone who dares utter a comment that isn't deemed as positive is a Knicker wetter ?
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 15:52:37 GMT
Mark, it's not about the odd comment but there is a whole host of people criticising the tea lady to the colour of the managers chair, it's totally and utterly over the top. My whole point of the thread is about keeping it realistic.
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Post by philb on Aug 6, 2017 16:05:36 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. To be fair with the Journo's most of them will just be going off our 13th place finish last year. If we had got 2 or 3 more points (which I know we didn't before anyone says so!) and finished 8th do you still think they'd be tipping us for relegation? I think not. Yes everything's not rosy but a ball hasn't been kicked in anger and there's 38 games to be played so let's be realistic eh?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2017 16:10:50 GMT
I didn't think we would no but unlike you, having protested long and hard to try and force change at the club in the 90's, I could never truly trust peter Coates and his intentions toward our club. I don't think he will be a single penny out of pocket since re-taking control of the club and suspect he's actually making a very tidy profit on his investment to date. For certain, it doesn't look like he's going to pump in much of his families new found fortune and I'm not totally sure I'd want him to.this madness of over spending will come to an end at some point and I feel we'll be in a very strong position when it does, providing were still in the Premiership. Why would a top class player come to Stoke, one simple answer, money. Sadly it's not the most desirable area to live in and even though we think we're famous, sadly our ones piece of silverware says differently, that's the reality. Believe me, agents and advisors of good players will do due diligence on a club who showed a serious interest in them and as part of that they would scour social media to gain the fans reaction to the club and other players currently at the club, doesn't really make pretty reading does it? It's chicken and egg though Si, surely? The mood is driven by the club's actions, and there really isn't much to suggest any progress is being made is there? We have gaps in the squad, our best player has left and it appears we are trying to go about things on the cheap at a time when the club is awash with money and one of the top 20-30 richest in the world. There still appears to be no discernible plan with the season a week away. It's not all doom and gloom, but it isn't 'ungrateful' to be worried.
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