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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2017 18:07:23 GMT
If we'd activated the clause they wouldn't have been able to be awkward would they? Without one hell of a legal challenge? Don't start this. You'll have Bayern on for the next 6 hours going on and on and on about this But he's right. It appears that Stoke could have activated the option clause but Stoke chose to let it lapse.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2017 18:13:24 GMT
As you say it's the strategy we've followed. You've obviously already drawn the 'incompetent' conclusion and nowt short of a public explanation of our ongoing negotiation strategy/position will do to placate you? There are other plausible narratives. It's a bit futile going round and round. The accumulated snippets and noises, even going back to last summer suggest to me that Porto have pissed us about. Wonder if it was Porto who set up/agreed etc the 'missed' Palace medical? Seems they're still being awkward now, I would suggest not because they're pissed about not getting the £8mill in the 'agreement', more like seeing how well he'd done in the Prem they were hoping for the £15mill or whatever. My version is conjecture obv, and I'm not saying our 'team' is immune from clerical fuck ups etc {Sweeney/Telford paperwork to Bristol R. recently} but on this one I'm happy to blame Porto. Don't tell them though, don't want to hex the deal. When we signed him on loan, we were told we had an option to buy for £8.5m. In recent weeks, The Sentinel has reported without rebuke from the club that we allowed a clause allowing us to buy him for £8.5m to lapse. So if none of the above is true it seems hard to fathom why it's in the club's interests to allow them to be portrayed that way. We can play all the guessing games we want as to our intentions but if we could have signed him months ago for peanuts and didn't then someone has to lose their job. Think that's melodramatic, the sack. On the evidence so far, and especially if he does sign in the end. If he doesn't play v Everton then perhaps our Club will be more robust in it's statements re the deal. As I understand the summer loan it wasn't a last minute thing, he'd been here during the summer, we had to wait on the prevaricating of Porto to see if he would play for them etc etc. He was keen to play in the Prem and under Hughes. Pissing about from the off. Preseason, the virus {Bruno doesn't get viruses}, a medical he didn't want to attend etc, all seems like Porto are happy to mess Bruno about {he's always maintained he's happy, up to the Clubs to sort the details etc}. And now maybe Florence, despite being just the paperwork off a deal. Not a difficult conceptual leap to imagine them pissing us about too. Too good a player/fit to tell them to fuck it. It's within that context I judge the rest of the dealings. I'd be sacking the Sentinel editor if anyone.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 10, 2017 18:35:53 GMT
Great player, really want him to sign for Stoke, but struggling to give a shit now to be honest.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 10, 2017 18:48:29 GMT
Great player, really want him to sign for Stoke, but struggling to give a shit now to be honest. Reached that point myself - Need to,just get on with my life without stressing about all this but i live breath and sleep Stoke and have done all my 51 years
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Post by agingerstokie on Aug 10, 2017 18:49:46 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 10, 2017 19:05:50 GMT
Wouldn't be happy with him starting on Saturday anyway if I'm honest. He's not been with us all pre season so will need a bit of time to resettle.
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2017 19:09:26 GMT
We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? This. And in fairness to Bayern this is what he has been banging on about. We should have exercised the option clause, even if it cost us a few extra quid. Now with a couple of days to the season starting we still have no idea if BMI will join and Dave the Oracle saying Stoke could walk away. Really poor management for (apparently) for the sake of trying to be too smart and save a few quid £2-3 is one thing but £2-3million is quite another, particularly when you know it's going to happen! Good management imo!!!
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Post by jinxed71 on Aug 10, 2017 19:09:50 GMT
to all you brats out there!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2017 19:19:25 GMT
This. And in fairness to Bayern this is what he has been banging on about. We should have exercised the option clause, even if it cost us a few extra quid. Now with a couple of days to the season starting we still have no idea if BMI will join and Dave the Oracle saying Stoke could walk away. Really poor management for (apparently) for the sake of trying to be too smart and save a few quid £2-3 is one thing but £2-3million is quite another, particularly when you know it's going to happen! Good management imo!!! Fair enough, but I can't agree at all, I don't think you can definitely know it's going to happen and if we'd exercised the option he'd have done preseason and be in the team for Everton. Based on the currently available information I think it was piss poor management.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 19:20:06 GMT
a certaun STEVE HOWE on guitar. (A god to me) true supergroup Wetton Howe Downes and a certain Carl Palmer
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 10, 2017 19:37:48 GMT
Don't worry be happy. It's only a game of footy. You will still go to sleep tonight and wake up in th morning ....if you feeling lucky! What else is there to worry about
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 10, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
Coates wanted to save on the fee and wages 8 weeks of 70k plus saved and probably 2 mill on fee but if he dont come egg on face.com
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 10, 2017 20:17:30 GMT
Honestly thought this would be sorted by now. Frustrating.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 10, 2017 20:17:58 GMT
Coates wanted to save on the fee and wages 8 weeks of 70k plus saved and probably 2 mill on fee but if he dont come egg on face.com Funny enough, i remember an interview he did ages ago on this subject, and said that he thought it best to sign players later during the close season as you are paying players wages when they aren't even in training. It was going back a long while ago and don't know if he'd have the same opinion nowadays.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2017 20:23:11 GMT
Anyway, while the angle grinders are out is there any 'Imbula' factor in this? Did we structure his purchase with provisos/targets, staged payments? Has he failed to meet some of those, is that a sticking point? Dunno, just a thought.
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Post by tony10 on Aug 10, 2017 21:24:10 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 10, 2017 21:43:33 GMT
No chance that Fiorentina horse is true.
Porto playing games, it's a bullshit leak.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 10, 2017 22:01:01 GMT
The usual bunch must be trying their best to get any credibility back, they can eat shit now. Positivity oozing out of the club, with weeks left to add more quality. Much better sitting in their bedsit, making up shit stories about our glorious team. What positivity versus ly that is two free transfers , a reserve left back from hull and a bloke on Liam recovering from injury, 5 out including our major attaching threat l, a good chunk of our spirit and physicality and some very useful goals . Positively catastrophic judgement so far . I feel a bit sorry for Liam :/
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 10, 2017 22:08:52 GMT
Honestly thought this would be sorted by now. Frustrating. I don't think Frustrating even begins to describe it. 2 days ago, we had report of BMI coming to finalise everything and do his medical. It never happened. Then today seemed to be BMI day, nothing has happened. Now we have Scholes on the radio saying we're at an 'advanced stage', whatever the fuck that means, not advanced enough for him to be at fucking Clayton Wood signing for us. 2 days ago we had people jizzing over the deal and Scholes, now people want to chop his frigging head off. It may well be Porto playing silly buggers, but fuck me is it annoying. It can never be simple. One thing I know is I wouldn't deal with them again. Tossers.
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Post by pottarius on Aug 11, 2017 2:21:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2017 7:09:01 GMT
What happened to BMI day?
Are we all too fat?
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 11, 2017 7:15:00 GMT
What happened to BMI day? Are we all too fat? A little patience wouldn't go amiss ...😉
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 11, 2017 7:22:43 GMT
What happened to BMI day? Are we all too fat? It's replacing Christmas day!!!
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Post by charlesjefferson on Aug 11, 2017 7:39:50 GMT
This from Twitter (How do you capture the actual tweet and post it?) Stoke City FC stokecity 42s43 seconds ago MH: My understanding is we are very close to completing a deal for Bruno Martins Indi. All being well he'll be with us today. The deal needs to be done before midday for him to play tomorrow but that's not likely to be the case. We are still looking to bring in more players to freshen up the squad. (That's 3 tweets in one)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 7:46:49 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2017 7:54:23 GMT
What happened to BMI day? Are we all too fat? A little patience wouldn't go amiss ...😉 8 months patience. We had 1 deadline, pre-season. We missed it. Now there's another one, 12 today. Will we make it? It really isn't good enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2017 7:55:28 GMT
This from Twitter (How do you capture the actual tweet and post it?) Stoke City FC stokecity 42s43 seconds ago MH: My understanding is we are very close to completing a deal for Bruno Martins Indi. All being well he'll be with us today. The deal needs to be done before midday for him to play tomorrow but that's not likely to be the case. We are still looking to bring in more players to freshen up the squad. (That's 3 tweets in one) Copy the link to the tweet (the web address essentially) and just paste it on here.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Aug 11, 2017 8:01:36 GMT
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Post by charlesjefferson on Aug 11, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
This from Twitter (How do you capture the actual tweet and post it?) Stoke City FC stokecity 42s43 seconds ago MH: My understanding is we are very close to completing a deal for Bruno Martins Indi. All being well he'll be with us today. The deal needs to be done before midday for him to play tomorrow but that's not likely to be the case. We are still looking to bring in more players to freshen up the squad. (That's 3 tweets in one) Copy the link to the tweet (the web address essentially) and just paste it on here. Cheers, i didn't realise it was that easy
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 11, 2017 8:08:17 GMT
A little patience wouldn't go amiss ...😉 8 months patience. We had 1 deadline, pre-season. We missed it. Now there's another one, 12 today. Will we make it? It really isn't good enough. I blame the delay on that bloody clause!... 😂
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