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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 10, 2017 16:41:38 GMT
My nephew's half portuguese, lives in Cascais and a huge Porto fan.... He's told me Porto are known to be real c**ts to deal with.
I'm sure our Tony's working 24/7 to pull this reportedly £7.25 m bargain deal off.
Please listen to davesviews and stop this nonsense...🙂
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2017 16:42:29 GMT
Also, didn't you say you were "100%" certain he'd sign?? Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster Are they not doing the paperwork as some kind of bitter mark of defiance?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 10, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
Also, didn't you say you were "100%" certain he'd sign?? Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster So when you said "we could walk away" - you were lying?
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Post by jinxed71 on Aug 10, 2017 16:44:50 GMT
Palace will make a last minute bid and snatch him from our grasp.sods law!
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Post by burge2u on Aug 10, 2017 16:50:11 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster Are they not doing the paperwork as some kind of bitter mark of defiance? A good question to ask Tony Scholes on the Radio Stoke interview tonight.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2017 16:52:30 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? I suppose if we'd have come out and called the shister on Porto it would have knackered the chance regarding negotiations. Better to stay calm and not get drawn into the tit for tat in my book. Who knows, we are where we are. A bit frustrating, but if it's true that Porto havn't signed off yet if we start being too negative about Porto they could put the stopper on it I suppose. Don't think it'll serve any useful purpose, at least until it's finalised.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2017 16:55:15 GMT
Also, didn't you say you were "100%" certain he'd sign?? Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster Clubs seem to manage to do paperwork in mins on Deadline day are we to soft with them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2017 16:56:31 GMT
We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? I suppose if we'd have come out and called the shister on Porto it would have knackered the chance regarding negotiations. Better to stay calm and not get drawn into the tit for tat in my book. Who knows, we are where we are. A bit frustrating, but if it's true that Porto havn't signed off yet if we start being too negative about Porto they could put the stopper on it I suppose. Don't think it'll serve any useful purpose, at least until it's finalised. Hang on, we've been doing that anyway Cheesy? We've let it be known constantly how tough they are to deal with? All they have to do, without bashing Porto, is come out and say there never was a clause or that the clause lapsing was nothing to do with us. They haven't, and it's been reported we allowed it to lapse? It's either not true and we're happy to let ourselves look bewilderingly incompetent, or it's true and we've been bewilderingly incompetent.
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 10, 2017 16:57:31 GMT
Everything held up by Porto We're allowing ourselves to be messed around again then? Brilliant. Well yes it's been in the press all day
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Post by baystokie on Aug 10, 2017 16:57:41 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? Presumably if Porto are the awkward ar__holes, playing silly buggers they are portrayed, then they could have been just as awkward at the time we activated the clause. If they drag their feet with paperwork, then you have a decision to make as to when you pull the plug.
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 10, 2017 16:58:46 GMT
So basically he won't be coming before next week at the earliest then. This has been really poor business. Looks like it could be the end of the road with Bruno. Get ready for the backlash. Nope. We're signing him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2017 16:58:50 GMT
We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? Presumably if Porto are the awkward ar__holes, playing silly buggers they are portrayed, then they could have been just as awkward at the time we activated the clause. If they drag their feet with paperwork, then you have a decision to make as to when you pull the plug. If we'd activated the clause they wouldn't have been able to be awkward would they? Without one hell of a legal challenge?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2017 17:01:55 GMT
We've reached that stage of the transfer window now....
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 10, 2017 17:02:21 GMT
Presumably if Porto are the awkward ar__holes, playing silly buggers they are portrayed, then they could have been just as awkward at the time we activated the clause. If they drag their feet with paperwork, then you have a decision to make as to when you pull the plug. If we'd activated the clause they wouldn't have been able to be awkward would they? Without one hell of a legal challenge? Don't start this. You'll have Bayern on for the next 6 hours going on and on and on about this
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 10, 2017 17:03:11 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster Are they not doing the paperwork as some kind of bitter mark of defiance? Looks like Porto are determined to make life as tough as possible for us. They believe, rightly or wrongly, that they have been wronged. If there is truth in the story about Bruno being determined to sign for us or see out his contract and leave for free (if the house story is true then that could be his stance) then Porto obviously feel we are playing hard ball. If I am right they will get the paperwork done (because they won't want to lose him for nowt) but they'll drag it out as long as they dare.
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Post by simple on Aug 10, 2017 17:13:58 GMT
If he had been shit Porto would of of tried to say we had a Claus to buy him,because he was a partial success they want more money.Stoke say they had a deal but it takes two ides to agree to that deal.Porto upped the fee Stoke stuck bye there guns.We can say we should of legally bound the deal but if he was shit we would of been landed with him like Wooly.I think we have played this spot on sometimes you need to hold you're nerve.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2017 17:16:19 GMT
Medical hasn't happened yet He's not in the country atm So wont be involved on Saturday
Tony Scholes on Radio Stoke now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
Medical hasn't happened yet He's not in the country atm So wont be involved on Saturday Do players have medicals for season long loans, it would be prudent to if there's no release clause would it not? Might be a formality if that's the case.....
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Post by walton corner on Aug 10, 2017 17:19:13 GMT
Medical hasn't happened yet He's not in the country atm So wont be involved on Saturday Tony Scholes on Radio Stoke now Shocking from Stoke and all the so called ITK ...shit
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Post by simple on Aug 10, 2017 17:19:40 GMT
If we'd activated the clause they wouldn't have been able to be awkward would they? Without one hell of a legal challenge? Don't start this. You'll have Bayern on for the next 6 hours going on and on and on about this They are options to buy not clauses we asked to buy him at the agreed price,Porto doubled the price,you can only put gentlemens agreements in place,you cannot legally tie a human being to a contract which they have no say in.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2017 17:20:39 GMT
Medical hasn't happened yet He's not in the country atm So wont be involved on Saturday Tony Scholes on Radio Stoke now .. but he did say he expects him to sign soon.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2017 17:21:45 GMT
Medical hasn't happened yet He's not in the country atm So wont be involved on Saturday Tony Scholes on Radio Stoke now .. but he did say he expects him to sign soon. Yes , we can only move at the pace set by Porto
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2017 17:23:07 GMT
.. but he did say he expects him to sign soon. Yes , we can only move at the pace set by Porto The bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:25:20 GMT
Yes , we can only move at the pace set by Porto The bastards. They dragged Imbula out to the last possible minute 18 months ago. If we let a player's 12m clause lapse and now getting him for 7 in the same window I'd move slow as an F' you too.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 10, 2017 17:25:37 GMT
People will still believe the so called "ITK" posters... Had everyone's pants down again.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Aug 10, 2017 17:30:45 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster So when you said "we could walk away" - you were lying? I think he meant 'hypothetically' speaking we could walk away if we wanted. But we clearly want to bring Bruno in and by all accounts it would seem he wants to come here. Why not hang in there? That's how negotiations work. They will blink, they won't want to let him go for nowt and our transfer team are well aware of this. So we don't get Bruno in for the first match of the season, not gonna break us is it? He'll be here for the rest of it and seasons beyond, and at a bloody good price to boot. Would all of you moaners honestly been happy if we'd have just walked away at the start of negotations because Porto being wankers? Nothings to say we'd have even been able to get a comparable quality CB in by now even if we had... It's like a kids playground in here
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2017 17:35:43 GMT
I suppose if we'd have come out and called the shister on Porto it would have knackered the chance regarding negotiations. Better to stay calm and not get drawn into the tit for tat in my book. Who knows, we are where we are. A bit frustrating, but if it's true that Porto havn't signed off yet if we start being too negative about Porto they could put the stopper on it I suppose. Don't think it'll serve any useful purpose, at least until it's finalised. Hang on, we've been doing that anyway Cheesy? We've let it be known constantly how tough they are to deal with? All they have to do, without bashing Porto, is come out and say there never was a clause or that the clause lapsing was nothing to do with us. They haven't, and it's been reported we allowed it to lapse? It's either not true and we're happy to let ourselves look bewilderingly incompetent, or it's true and we've been bewilderingly incompetent. As you say it's the strategy we've followed. You've obviously already drawn the 'incompetent' conclusion and nowt short of a public explanation of our ongoing negotiation strategy/position will do to placate you? There are other plausible narratives. It's a bit futile going round and round. The accumulated snippets and noises, even going back to last summer suggest to me that Porto have pissed us about. Wonder if it was Porto who set up/agreed etc the 'missed' Palace medical? Seems they're still being awkward now, I would suggest not because they're pissed about not getting the £8mill in the 'agreement', more like seeing how well he'd done in the Prem they were hoping for the £15mill or whatever. My version is conjecture obv, and I'm not saying our 'team' is immune from clerical fuck ups etc {Sweeney/Telford paperwork to Bristol R. recently} but on this one I'm happy to blame Porto. Don't tell them though, don't want to hex the deal.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2017 17:38:21 GMT
Don't start this. You'll have Bayern on for the next 6 hours going on and on and on about this They are options to buy not clauses we asked to buy him at the agreed price,Porto doubled the price,you can only put gentlemens agreements in place,you cannot legally tie a human being to a contract which they have no say in. You're not legally binding a human though are you? You're agreeing with his club an option to buy at that price should you want to. And of course you can bind the club to that. Why piss about with a 'gentleman's agreement'?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2017 17:42:43 GMT
Hang on, we've been doing that anyway Cheesy? We've let it be known constantly how tough they are to deal with? All they have to do, without bashing Porto, is come out and say there never was a clause or that the clause lapsing was nothing to do with us. They haven't, and it's been reported we allowed it to lapse? It's either not true and we're happy to let ourselves look bewilderingly incompetent, or it's true and we've been bewilderingly incompetent. As you say it's the strategy we've followed. You've obviously already drawn the 'incompetent' conclusion and nowt short of a public explanation of our ongoing negotiation strategy/position will do to placate you? There are other plausible narratives. It's a bit futile going round and round. The accumulated snippets and noises, even going back to last summer suggest to me that Porto have pissed us about. Wonder if it was Porto who set up/agreed etc the 'missed' Palace medical? Seems they're still being awkward now, I would suggest not because they're pissed about not getting the £8mill in the 'agreement', more like seeing how well he'd done in the Prem they were hoping for the £15mill or whatever. My version is conjecture obv, and I'm not saying our 'team' is immune from clerical fuck ups etc {Sweeney/Telford paperwork to Bristol R. recently} but on this one I'm happy to blame Porto. Don't tell them though, don't want to hex the deal. When we signed him on loan, we were told we had an option to buy for £8.5m. In recent weeks, The Sentinel has reported without rebuke from the club that we allowed a clause allowing us to buy him for £8.5m to lapse. So if none of the above is true it seems hard to fathom why it's in the club's interests to allow them to be portrayed that way. We can play all the guessing games we want as to our intentions but if we could have signed him months ago for peanuts and didn't then someone has to lose their job.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2017 18:03:59 GMT
Bruno will sign,it will happen when Porto do the paperwork,Stoke can't make it happen any faster We could have made it happen faster weeks ago if we'd not let the clause lapse couldn't we Dave? The media has been reporting that as fact for weeks and presumably if it was false and everything was on Porto the club would be at pains publicly to categorically put that claim right? This. And in fairness to Bayern this is what he has been banging on about. We should have exercised the option clause, even if it cost us a few extra quid. Now with a couple of days to the season starting we still have no idea if BMI will join and Dave the Oracle saying Stoke could walk away. Really poor management for (apparently) for the sake of trying to be too smart and save a few quid
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