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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2017 15:18:55 GMT
Regardless of the whys and wherefores, £7m for BMI in this market is theft. Is he a lesser player than Keane or Gibson? He's a lesser player than Keane. He's a lesser player than Shawcross who many on here seemingly want rid of. I'd like to see Keane in a non-Dyche team for a season before definitively saying that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2017 15:20:55 GMT
He's a lesser player than Keane. He's a lesser player than Shawcross who many on here seemingly want rid of. I'd like to see Keane in a non-Dyche team for a season before definitively saying that. Fair point but from what I've seen of Keane he is a far better defender than Bruno is. Don't get me wrong, I like Bruno and he did a good job for us but the way some go on, you'd think he was Abdy Faye reincarnate and he is simply nowhere near that good.
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 7, 2017 15:22:36 GMT
exactly - it looks like a brilliant deal, wrung out of a club who absolutely would not play ball. some people are embarrassing themselves on here, even more so that usual. It's almost like we expect when the club when they say have a deal to sign someone to actually have a deal to sign someone. The back slapping over this farce is ridiculous. It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 7, 2017 15:24:28 GMT
exactly - it looks like a brilliant deal, wrung out of a club who absolutely would not play ball. some people are embarrassing themselves on here, even more so that usual. It's almost like we expect when the club when they say have a deal to sign someone to actually have a deal to sign someone. The back slapping over this farce is ridiculous. Admin! This account has been hacked. Pack it in Benji, now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2017 15:25:01 GMT
I'd like to see Keane in a non-Dyche team for a season before definitively saying that. Fair point but from what I've seen of Keane he is a far better defender than Bruno is. Don't get me wrong, I like Bruno and he did a good job for us but the way some go on, you'd think he was Abdy Faye reincarnate and he is simply nowhere near that good. I thought he was excellent on the whole last season - not as good as peak Shawcross or Faye, but that's a pretty elite level. £7m is still massively under-par for a 'good'/above-average Prem defender in an era where James Tomkins costs £12m!
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Post by chamberlain on Aug 7, 2017 15:25:08 GMT
BMI. Chupo-Moting. Delph. They all made appearances at CW last week. BMI and Moting today. With Moting still in there. I reckon Friday will be a good day. I will try to get a pic of Moting but it's hard to guess when he'll leave. Well you know what to do Nath , hang around until he does leave and don't forget the photo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 15:26:06 GMT
It's almost like we expect when the club when they say have a deal to sign someone to actually have a deal to sign someone. The back slapping over this farce is ridiculous. It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. Some people are on such a downer about everything associated with the club, they can't get pleasure out of a positive outcome.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:28:52 GMT
It's almost like we expect when the club when they say have a deal to sign someone to actually have a deal to sign someone. The back slapping over this farce is ridiculous. It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 7, 2017 15:29:39 GMT
I seem to recall previous manager (s) only managed to do business around 11pm on the last day. 24 Days to go. Having said that most Footballers contracts are up to 30 June each year or even earlier so why do we have a transfer window that runs almost three weeks into the new season. It should open on 1st July and close on 31st July - I know its been aired before with something to do with European football - We are Brexit fuck em lets choose whats best for us.
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 7, 2017 15:30:23 GMT
It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. Can't you just leave it be and if this comes off just be thankful we've got him?
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 7, 2017 15:30:39 GMT
Kinell Sheiky, think you need root & branch surgery ... It shows how bad we are at recruitment that we celebrate a man for doing his job...and pretty poorly doing his job as well. Coates must be lauging his cock off at some of our support. this is the exact line that the anti Crouch/Walters/Whelan brigade would use to justify failing to celebrate or even to recognise the value of a goal/assist/motm performance. it just makes you look unhinged
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:30:43 GMT
It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. Some people are on such a downer about everything associated with the club, they can't get pleasure out of a positive outcome. Because the outcome should have happened months ago and would have done if we had anything about us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 15:32:19 GMT
Some people are on such a downer about everything associated with the club, they can't get pleasure out of a positive outcome. Because the outcome should have happened months ago and would have done if we had anything about us. But it didn't. And now it will. And could've been 5m more. But it wasn't. Honestly......criticism for criticism's sake.
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 7, 2017 15:35:05 GMT
It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2017 15:35:10 GMT
It shows how bad we are at recruitment that we celebrate a man for doing his job...and pretty poorly doing his job as well. Coates must be lauging his cock off at some of our support. this is the exact line that the anti Crouch/Walters/Whelan brigade would use to justify failing to celebrate or even to recognise the value of a goal/assist/motm performance. it just makes you look unhinged Sorry don't follow that at all?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2017 15:35:15 GMT
It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. You could say it was a needless gamble, and I'd agree for the sake of 2m euros. But seems churlish to be overly-critical when they appear to have ultimately read the situation perfectly.....for once. I was massively sceptical, but they seem to have pulled it off We may well have had a 100% cast-iron commitment from BMI and we seem to have correctly gauged that Porto would buckle. It's been clear he's not in their plans and this was their last chance to get money for him. He's had a full pre-season and it's not as if he's not aware of our methods. Surely he can pretty much be dropped into the team straight away with little need for acclimatisation
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:35:41 GMT
Because the outcome should have happened months ago and would have done if we had anything about us. But it didn't. And now it will. And could've been 5m more. But it wasn't. Honestly......criticism for criticism's sake. The deal was agreed for about this price.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2017 15:36:49 GMT
It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell. Is that definitely the case though? Or did they become difficult after we let the £8.5m clause elapse?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:37:52 GMT
It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. You could say it was a needless gamble, and I'd agree for the sake of 2m euros. But seems churlish to be overly-critical when they appear to have ultimately read the situation perfectly.....for once. I was massively sceptical, but they seem to have pulled it off We may well have had a 100% cast-iron commitment from BMI and we seem to have correctly gauged that Porto would buckle. It's been clear he's not in their plans and this was their last chance to get money for him. He's had a full pre-season and it's not as if he's not aware of our methods. Surely he can pretty much be dropped into the team straight away with little need to acclimatisation It shouldn't have come to it though should it? That initial deal should have been cast iron. They shouldn't have been allowed to move the goal posts. That's a piss poor initial deal. He's now missed another pre season with us and more time to play alongside Zouma which is crucial. It should never have come to this.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 7, 2017 15:38:10 GMT
It's not back-slapping, it's credit where it is due. Porto are skint, and wanted a lot more money. We wanted one of our stand out players from last season, and they knew it. We managed to avoid a bidding war, and still get our man, three weeks before the end of the window. Momo talks about poker - they held the cards, but we held our nerve. Seems perverse to argue otherwise. It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. Bought a Tymon with the summer wages saved never mind the reduced price. We could be pretty certain he'd hit the ground running {like last year} so we decided we could take it to the wire. Cute. The other recourse would have been to go to law to enforce the terms of the 'agreement'. Still be filing papers at xmas etc. Plenty of credit due for identifying him in the first place, and getting him so cheap if true. Proven in the Prem, left sided. Great news if true, restores backline balance, and already in tune with Ryan.
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 7, 2017 15:40:20 GMT
this is the exact line that the anti Crouch/Walters/Whelan brigade would use to justify failing to celebrate or even to recognise the value of a goal/assist/motm performance. it just makes you look unhinged Sorry don't follow that at all? USUAL SUSPECT: "fucking hell walters starts again" Walters scores one and makes oneUSUAL SUSPECT: "he's just doing his job, I for one am not going to blah blah blah...."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:41:17 GMT
It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell. Of course you can, we did it with Wolly. And if they don't agree to it you don't do the deal. But that wasn't an option because we left signing a crucial player to the last day. Another master stroke Mr Scholes....... The whole deal has been a fuck up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 15:42:26 GMT
It should never have come to it. We had this fee agreed and that should have been set in stone and activated last season. The fact it wasn't shows how poor they at getting good deals as it's gone on way longer than it needed. There is no credit to be had. Bought a Tymon with the summer wages saved never mind the reduced price. We could be pretty certain he'd hit the ground running {like last year} so we decided we could take it to the wire. Cute. The other recourse would have been to go to law to enforce the terms of the 'agreement'. Still be filing papers at xmas etc. Plenty of credit due for identifying him in the first place, and getting him so cheap if true. Proven in the Prem, left sided. Great news if true, restores backline balance, and already in tune with Ryan. If we need to do that to sign an 18 year old who looks a good 18 months away from being ready then God help us!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 7, 2017 15:43:00 GMT
it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell. Of course you can, we did it with Wolly. And if they don't agree to it you don't do the deal. But that wasn't an option because we left signing a crucial player to the last day. Another master stroke Mr Scholes....... The whole deal has been a fuck up. What were the terms of the loan deal?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 15:45:24 GMT
Regardless of the whys and wherefores, £7m for BMI in this market is theft. Is he a lesser player than Keane or Gibson? Absolutely Bob on old 👍😬👏
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2017 15:46:58 GMT
Fair point but from what I've seen of Keane he is a far better defender than Bruno is. Don't get me wrong, I like Bruno and he did a good job for us but the way some go on, you'd think he was Abdy Faye reincarnate and he is simply nowhere near that good. I thought he was excellent on the whole last season - not as good as peak Shawcross or Faye, but that's a pretty elite level. £7m is still massively under-par for a 'good'/above-average Prem defender in an era where James Tomkins costs £12m! I agree with regard to the cost and as said above, when he signs, I'll be very pleased. He's a good age, will get better and will form a very good partnership with Ryan and Zouma moving forward.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 7, 2017 15:48:14 GMT
Regardless of the whys and wherefores, £7m for BMI in this market is theft. Is he a lesser player than Keane or Gibson? He's a lesser player than Keane. He's a lesser player than Shawcross who many on here seemingly want rid of. Don't know too much on Keane, so no comment there.... But sorry dave, I can't agree that he's a lesser player than Shawcross!!! BUT, that's my opinion, I ain't gonna get drawn into an arguement about it!!!
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Aug 7, 2017 15:49:07 GMT
You could say it was a needless gamble, and I'd agree for the sake of 2m euros. But seems churlish to be overly-critical when they appear to have ultimately read the situation perfectly.....for once. I was massively sceptical, but they seem to have pulled it off We may well have had a 100% cast-iron commitment from BMI and we seem to have correctly gauged that Porto would buckle. It's been clear he's not in their plans and this was their last chance to get money for him. He's had a full pre-season and it's not as if he's not aware of our methods. Surely he can pretty much be dropped into the team straight away with little need to acclimatisation It shouldn't have come to it though should it? That initial deal should have been cast iron. They shouldn't have been allowed to move the goal posts. That's a piss poor initial deal. He's now missed another pre season with us and more time to play alongside Zouma which is crucial. It should never have come to this. I'm trying to understand your point of view. Re-winding to the initial loan discussions, you think we should have pulled out of it because they wouldn't agree a price set in stone in the contract? Rather than going with the loan and hoping to strike a deal at the end of it? Who would you have taken instead?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2017 15:50:15 GMT
He's a lesser player than Keane. He's a lesser player than Shawcross who many on here seemingly want rid of. Don't know too much on Keane, so no comment there.... But sorry dave, I can't agree that he's a lesser player than Shawcross!!! BUT, that's my opinion, I ain't gonna get drawn into an arguement about it!!! Shawcross is superior to Bruno even when not at his best in my opinion and at his best, there is simply no comparison. It isn't an argument, just a differing of opinions. You have yours, I have mine. Give me Ryan over Bruno every day of the week.
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Post by alster on Aug 7, 2017 15:50:38 GMT
Regardless of the whys and wherefores, £7m for BMI in this market is theft. Is he a lesser player than Keane or Gibson? He's a lesser player than Keane. He's a lesser player than Shawcross who many on here seemingly want rid of. Just depends which Shawcross you're comparing at his best yes last season definitely not Bruno had a better season than Shawcross by some distance.
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