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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 4, 2017 11:50:35 GMT
Whoever sanctioned letting the £8.5m option lapse should pay the difference to the final transfer fee (assuming we even sign him this window) out of their own arse pocket. Even if that is PC himself. It's coming out of his back pocket anyway isn't it? Not necessarily. If the transfer budget was set with Indi in it at £8.5m and remains the same then the cost would have to come out of other transfers or the club's own money. That assumes that the loan from bet365 remains at £50m odd as it did last year.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 4, 2017 11:51:41 GMT
100% correct Sir....Post of the week goes to you. 🥇 So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. Just ignore everything that was raised in Chiswicks post, and focus on one thing that did not go the way you think it should have gone. You don't have the detailed information. If Stoke botched up in such a bad way as to put the club out of business for ever, what would you have really lost? The love of your life? That happens, you get up the next day and get on with your life. What would the owners have lost? In addition to the love of his life, a huge fortune and his reputation as well. Instead of your incessant whining, take a spoonful of cement and harden up!!!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 4, 2017 11:53:19 GMT
C'mon Bayern. You are doing your credibility absolutely no good. No one can honestly say that what we have/ where we are now is less than mediocrity when you look at the entire history of our club. We are currently in one of the 3 best times in Stoke's history. If that is something that you feel is less than mediocre, I strongly suggest, for your own health and certainly for the betterment of this forum, that you give up following Stoke. Yes, we can do better, but less than mediocrity? My health? What do you know about my health?😂 And less of the condescending crap about who and what I can follow. We're a Premier League that is run no better than a League 2 club. We could do so much more and we accept so little. I don't get that attitude. The past is absolutely irrelevant and only serves as in the case of your post to hold us back. We are a well run Premier League club you have no evidence to dispute this. 10 years in the division, way more than any club of similar financial potential from a city with economic and social challenges. In at least 7 of the last 9 seasons we have performs ahead of what our revenue and wage levels wpuld suggest using the accepted academic research into success in football. The club has an acknowledged leading community programme, integrated into the economic fabric of the city and ticket pricing also recognised as leading in terms of affordability and targeting. Give us some facts not just your assertions on how the club could do better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:55:59 GMT
So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. Just ignore everything that was raised in Chiswicks post, and focus on one thing that did not go the way you think it should have gone. You don't have the detailed information. If Stoke botched up in such a bad way as to put the club out of business for ever, what would you have really lost? The love of your life? That happens, you get up the next day and get on with your life. What would the owners have lost? In addition to the love of his life, a huge fortune and his reputation as well. Instead of your incessant whining, take a spoonful of cement and harden up!!! I'd lose a big chunk of my life that I love.....
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 4, 2017 11:56:23 GMT
C'mon Bayern. You are doing your credibility absolutely no good. No one can honestly say that what we have/ where we are now is less than mediocrity when you look at the entire history of our club. We are currently in one of the 3 best times in Stoke's history. If that is something that you feel is less than mediocre, I strongly suggest, for your own health and certainly for the betterment of this forum, that you give up following Stoke. Yes, we can do better, but less than mediocrity? My health? What do you know about my health?😂 And less of the condescending crap about who and what I can follow. We're a Premier League that is run no better than a League 2 club. We could do so much more and we accept so little. I don't get that attitude. The past is absolutely irrelevant and only serves as in the case of your post to hold us back. Only that Stoke obviously make you very unhappy! Medically proven, unhappiness leads to increased poor health. However, unproven is your statement that we are run no better than a league 2 club. In fact, the evidence strongly suggests that is not true. We are entering our tenth year in the premiership, an accomplishment that very few Championship clubs have been able to do in the last 15 years. A suggestion made in an effort to improve your health is not saying you can or can't do something, simply something for your consideration.
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Post by skelman on Aug 4, 2017 11:57:50 GMT
It's coming out of his back pocket anyway isn't it? Not necessarily. If the transfer budget was set with Indi in it at £8.5m and remains the same then the cost would have to come out of other transfers or the club's own money. That assumes that the loan from bet365 remains at £50m odd as it did last year. Bet this was a statement of intent rather than a guarantee to sell at £8.5 and then Porto and/or other finance backer(s) reneged on that intent when they felt they could get more on the open market I still think Bruno will join us
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 4, 2017 11:58:39 GMT
How are we ran like a league two club?? *Run
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 4, 2017 11:59:01 GMT
100% correct Sir....Post of the week goes to you. 🥇 So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. What do we know? I don't know anything but it would seem that something changed and we were not happy with it and that might be Porto, the player, agents, the change of manager at Porto. Given we want the player it seems hard to imagine we would not have done all we could to get it done. Something happened and we don't know what but to go from that to saying the club is run by idiots is nonsense
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 4, 2017 11:59:58 GMT
Just ignore everything that was raised in Chiswicks post, and focus on one thing that did not go the way you think it should have gone. You don't have the detailed information. If Stoke botched up in such a bad way as to put the club out of business for ever, what would you have really lost? The love of your life? That happens, you get up the next day and get on with your life. What would the owners have lost? In addition to the love of his life, a huge fortune and his reputation as well. Instead of your incessant whining, take a spoonful of cement and harden up!!! I'd lose a big chunk of my life that I love..... Like I said, that happens in almost everyone's life, ask anyone who has lost a loved one. What does not happen in almost everyone's life is to lose a huge fortune and your reputation as well as the love of your life. Our owners lose far more than any fan if Stoke disappear, but, I am sure even you will agree, we are far from that scenario.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 12:20:11 GMT
My health? What do you know about my health?😂 And less of the condescending crap about who and what I can follow. We're a Premier League that is run no better than a League 2 club. We could do so much more and we accept so little. I don't get that attitude. The past is absolutely irrelevant and only serves as in the case of your post to hold us back. We are a well run Premier League club you have no evidence to dispute this. 10 years in the division, way more than any club of similar financial potential from a city with economic and social challenges. In at least 7 of the last 9 seasons we have performs ahead of what our revenue and wage levels wpuld suggest using the accepted academic research into success in football. The club has an acknowledged leading community programme, integrated into the economic fabric of the city and ticket pricing also recognised as leading in terms of affordability and targeting. Give us some facts not just your assertions on how the club could do better We've always been about where we should be re league placing and wages. We make little money over what we get from Sky. That is poor and shows the half arsedness in that department. I mean what Premier League advertises its pitchside advertising spaces on Twitter? You'd hope they'd all be sold well in advance. The high turnover in shirt suppliers is a thing for me too. We always seems to have fuck ups with them and it's always their fault. Funny that. Just like it is when mess up transfers. The commercial side is a bit of a joke and always has been. The ticket office have got a lot better. The media dept from what I can gather are under manned and a bit hamstrung. And compared to other clubs we're way behind. But the streaming has been great this off season but that depends on if you got lucky or not. Scholes gets paid just under 1% of our turnover, he really doesn't deserve it. But fair play to him, I can't fault his work there!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 12:27:06 GMT
So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. What do we know? I don't know anything but it would seem that something changed and we were not happy with it and that might be Porto, the player, agents, the change of manager at Porto. Given we want the player it seems hard to imagine we would not have done all we could to get it done. Something happened and we don't know what but to go from that to saying the club is run by idiots is nonsense The manager until March was saying that a deal was there and we just needed to agree terms with Bruno. This is a fact (unless Hughes was lying and that begs a whole host of trust questions and if he's been lied to). We've then had Bruno saying he's very happy and wanted to sign. This is a fact. Unless he was just being nice but he had no need to be and his tact had changed from he'd been questioned before and was being coy. Something shouldn't have been allowed to change, it should have been watertight, that is what these people are paid for. Now we have the English and Portuguese press saying we haven't taken the option. Why would they make it up? It doesn't sell papers, it's not click bait and on Pete Smith's side, if he's wrong he risk the ire of the Stoke hirarchy which would hamper his job. This deal clearly should have conducted if we had our shit in order. And even if Porto changed something, that shouldn't have even been an option of the clause was drafted as it should have been (ie watertight).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 12:34:05 GMT
I'd lose a big chunk of my life that I love..... Like I said, that happens in almost everyone's life, ask anyone who has lost a loved one. What does not happen in almost everyone's life is to lose a huge fortune and your reputation as well as the love of your life. Our owners lose far more than any fan if Stoke disappear, but, I am sure even you will agree, we are far from that scenario. I'm not sure our owners actually want us tbh or the one that matters doesn't........ That is just a gut instinct mind.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 4, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
What do we know? I don't know anything but it would seem that something changed and we were not happy with it and that might be Porto, the player, agents, the change of manager at Porto. Given we want the player it seems hard to imagine we would not have done all we could to get it done. Something happened and we don't know what but to go from that to saying the club is run by idiots is nonsense The manager until March was saying that a deal was there and we just needed to agree terms with Bruno. This is a fact (unless Hughes was lying and that begs a whole host of trust questions and if he's been lied to). We've then had Bruno saying he's very happy and wanted to sign. This is a fact. Unless he was just being nice but he had no need to be and his tact had changed from he'd been questioned before and was being coy. Something shouldn't have been allowed to change, it should have been watertight, that is what these people are paid for. Now we have the English and Portuguese press saying we haven't taken the option. Why would they make it up? It doesn't sell papers, it's not click bait and on Pete Smith's side, if he's wrong he risk the ire of the Stoke hirarchy which would hamper his job. This deal clearly should have conducted if we had our shit in order. And even if Porto changed something, that shouldn't have even been an option of the clause was drafted as it should have been (ie watertight). Obviously you have never negotiated anything of substance. A clause can only be as watertight as the other party is willing to accept without walking away. If the clause is too loose for you to accept you walk away. In this case all we know, (we don't even know the wording never mind the intent), is that both parties felt the deal was acceptable. To automatically blame Stoke is disingenuous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 13:03:34 GMT
The manager until March was saying that a deal was there and we just needed to agree terms with Bruno. This is a fact (unless Hughes was lying and that begs a whole host of trust questions and if he's been lied to). We've then had Bruno saying he's very happy and wanted to sign. This is a fact. Unless he was just being nice but he had no need to be and his tact had changed from he'd been questioned before and was being coy. Something shouldn't have been allowed to change, it should have been watertight, that is what these people are paid for. Now we have the English and Portuguese press saying we haven't taken the option. Why would they make it up? It doesn't sell papers, it's not click bait and on Pete Smith's side, if he's wrong he risk the ire of the Stoke hirarchy which would hamper his job. This deal clearly should have conducted if we had our shit in order. And even if Porto changed something, that shouldn't have even been an option of the clause was drafted as it should have been (ie watertight). Obviously you have never negotiated anything of substance. A clause can only be as watertight as the other party is willing to accept without walking away. If the clause is too loose for you to accept you walk away. In this case all we know, (we don't even know the wording never mind the intent), is that both parties felt the deal was acceptable. To automatically blame Stoke is disingenuous. Don't dress it up as a clause that means we can sign the player then. That's what we did. That's why weren't rushing or panicking. The clubs words, not mine. It either wasn't or we didn't act on it. I don't know which is worse......
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 4, 2017 13:17:00 GMT
100% correct Sir....Post of the week goes to you. 🥇 So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. The poster was just pointing out how successful the clubs been run under the present regime for the last 10 years, and nobody can dispute that, not even you! And unless you work for the club and are 100 % sure what's going on, it would make more sense to hold back with your stupid negative comments. But you enjoy it Mr B so carry on...👍 As for Bruno, i'm as fucked off as you we haven't signed him. But we've still got 27 days to go until the window shuts. So show a little patience please....
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Post by 58Potter on Aug 4, 2017 13:20:54 GMT
Just ignore everything that was raised in Chiswicks post, and focus on one thing that did not go the way you think it should have gone. You don't have the detailed information. If Stoke botched up in such a bad way as to put the club out of business for ever, what would you have really lost? The love of your life? That happens, you get up the next day and get on with your life. What would the owners have lost? In addition to the love of his life, a huge fortune and his reputation as well. Instead of your incessant whining, take a spoonful of cement and harden up!!! I'd lose a big chunk of my life that I love..... yes you would, this message board meaning no more attention seeking or baiting a captive audience
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 13:27:36 GMT
So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order. The poster was just pointing out how successful the clubs been run under the present regime for the last 10 years, and nobody can dispute that, not even you! And unless you work for the club and are 100 % sure what's going on, it would make more sense to hold back with your stupid negative comments. But you enjoy it Mr B so carry on...👍 As for Bruno, i'm as fucked off as you we haven't signed him. But we've still got 27 days to go until the window shuts. So show a little patience please.... We've had a year to sign the fucker. Patience was lost on July 1st.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 13:29:05 GMT
I'd lose a big chunk of my life that I love..... yes you would, this message board meaning no more attention seeking or baiting a captive audience That couldn't be further from the truth! People bait themselves by not like hearing a differing to theirs. I just offer what I think up. And I hate attention, I'd rather you gits just agreed!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 4, 2017 13:32:13 GMT
The poster was just pointing out how successful the clubs been run under the present regime for the last 10 years, and nobody can dispute that, not even you! And unless you work for the club and are 100 % sure what's going on, it would make more sense to hold back with your stupid negative comments. But you enjoy it Mr B so carry on...👍 As for Bruno, i'm as fucked off as you we haven't signed him. But we've still got 27 days to go until the window shuts. So show a little patience please.... We've had a year to sign the fucker. Patience was lost on July 1st. Sit down and have a shandy... That might cheer you up a little... Maybe not...😀
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 13:35:58 GMT
We've had a year to sign the fucker. Patience was lost on July 1st. Sit down and have a shandy... That might cheer you up a little... Maybe not...😀 Beer is vile......
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 4, 2017 13:40:10 GMT
The manager until March was saying that a deal was there and we just needed to agree terms with Bruno. This is a fact (unless Hughes was lying and that begs a whole host of trust questions and if he's been lied to). We've then had Bruno saying he's very happy and wanted to sign. This is a fact. Unless he was just being nice but he had no need to be and his tact had changed from he'd been questioned before and was being coy. Something shouldn't have been allowed to change, it should have been watertight, that is what these people are paid for. Now we have the English and Portuguese press saying we haven't taken the option. Why would they make it up? It doesn't sell papers, it's not click bait and on Pete Smith's side, if he's wrong he risk the ire of the Stoke hirarchy which would hamper his job. This deal clearly should have conducted if we had our shit in order. And even if Porto changed something, that shouldn't have even been an option of the clause was drafted as it should have been (ie watertight). Obviously you have never negotiated anything of substance. A clause can only be as watertight as the other party is willing to accept without walking away. If the clause is too loose for you to accept you walk away. In this case all we know, (we don't even know the wording never mind the intent), is that both parties felt the deal was acceptable. To automatically blame Stoke is disingenuous. The whole thing about the (supposed) option to buy clause is all bollocks. everybody knows who holds the power in transfers these days - it's the players and agents - certainly not the clubs. If Indi wanted to be here then he would be.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 4, 2017 13:45:34 GMT
My health? What do you know about my health?😂 And less of the condescending crap about who and what I can follow. We're a Premier League that is run no better than a League 2 club. We could do so much more and we accept so little. I don't get that attitude. The past is absolutely irrelevant and only serves as in the case of your post to hold us back. Only that Stoke obviously make you very unhappy! Medically proven, unhappiness leads to increased poor health. However, unproven is your statement that we are run no better than a league 2 club. In fact, the evidence strongly suggests that is not true. We are entering our tenth year in the premiership, an accomplishment that very few Championship clubs have been able to do in the last 15 years. A suggestion made in an effort to improve your health is not saying you can or can't do something, simply something for your consideration. Bayern is the epitome of a Stoke fan. They are happiest when they are having a good moan because it distracts them from the reality of living in one of the poorest parts of the UK. I love going home, but let's face it, SOT is a bit of a dump. I drag my family to the occasional Stoke match and the highlight for them is the constant moaning and droning of the fans. I go with them to watch Forest and their fans are much more upbeat than Stoke fans despite the dross served up on the pitch. I have never seen Stoke lose (in the PL, the Wolves loss was a blip) and I have never seen Forest win!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 4, 2017 13:48:44 GMT
Sit down and have a shandy... That might cheer you up a little... Maybe not...😀 Beer is vile...... Try Horlicks then ...
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Post by skelman on Aug 4, 2017 14:05:14 GMT
Obviously you have never negotiated anything of substance. A clause can only be as watertight as the other party is willing to accept without walking away. If the clause is too loose for you to accept you walk away. In this case all we know, (we don't even know the wording never mind the intent), is that both parties felt the deal was acceptable. To automatically blame Stoke is disingenuous. The whole thing about the (supposed) option to buy clause is all bollocks. everybody knows who holds the power in transfers these days - it's the players and agents - certainly not the clubs. If Indi wanted to be here then he would be. Not sure that that's true if there's a 3rd party investor involved and no clause for the player to buy himself out if he wishes!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 14:20:21 GMT
Only that Stoke obviously make you very unhappy! Medically proven, unhappiness leads to increased poor health. However, unproven is your statement that we are run no better than a league 2 club. In fact, the evidence strongly suggests that is not true. We are entering our tenth year in the premiership, an accomplishment that very few Championship clubs have been able to do in the last 15 years. A suggestion made in an effort to improve your health is not saying you can or can't do something, simply something for your consideration. Bayern is the epitome of a Stoke fan. They are happiest when they are having a good moan because it distracts them from the reality of living in one of the poorest parts of the UK. I love going home, but let's face it, SOT is a bit of a dump. I drag my family to the occasional Stoke match and the highlight for them is the constant moaning and droning of the fans. I go with them to watch Forest and their fans are much more upbeat than Stoke fans despite the dross served up on the pitch. I have never seen Stoke lose (in the PL, the Wolves loss was a blip) and I have never seen Forest win! I actually think the people accepting the current state are the epitome of your average Stokie. Accepting the bare minimum when there's more that can be done.
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Post by Plave on Aug 4, 2017 14:33:06 GMT
Since the premier league began only 3 clubs have been promoted into it and not been relegated from it, we are one.
I bet all those championship and league 1 clubs sitting down there are glad they're run so much better than shitty stoke
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:46:26 GMT
Sit down and have a shandy... That might cheer you up a little... Maybe not...😀 Beer is vile......Wash your mouth out. Dumbest thing I've read on the internet. Ever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 14:49:00 GMT
Wash your mouth out. Dumbest thing I've read on the internet. Ever. But it is! I wish I liked it but I just don't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:49:43 GMT
Wash your mouth out. Dumbest thing I've read on the internet. Ever. But it is! I wish I liked it but I just don't. Girl. 😁
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 4, 2017 14:54:13 GMT
Bayern is the epitome of a Stoke fan. They are happiest when they are having a good moan because it distracts them from the reality of living in one of the poorest parts of the UK. I love going home, but let's face it, SOT is a bit of a dump. I drag my family to the occasional Stoke match and the highlight for them is the constant moaning and droning of the fans. I go with them to watch Forest and their fans are much more upbeat than Stoke fans despite the dross served up on the pitch. I have never seen Stoke lose (in the PL, the Wolves loss was a blip) and I have never seen Forest win! I actually think the people accepting the current state are the epitome of your average Stokie. Accepting the bare minimum when there's more that can be done. Get your point but the same forces apply. Player is in a position to diminish his economic value by not playing, refusing to sign any contract extension or just running down the one he has. Hurts the club more immediately because they are paying the wages for a disruptive and non productive player - but also hurts the third party as it reduces the return on their investment. No point in them sitting on something they'll ultimately make a loss on.
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