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Post by Squeekster on Aug 4, 2017 8:22:00 GMT
Did i read that Porto although seem to make massive profits on player sales don't, they borrow money off a third party and have to repay with interest when the player moves on and don't get much themselves, it's almost like a third party ownership of the player and maybe this is what the issue is?
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Aug 4, 2017 8:23:18 GMT
Ludicrous comment. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes at our club. I see what actually goes on though and that's enough. Why do people accept this? You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 4, 2017 8:26:37 GMT
Indeed mate, 'run' would have been the better option in my opinion too. Not that I want to get all grammar Nazi on your ass but it's 'clarify' "Ran" is past tense so it's either We were ran by idiots Or We are run by idiots
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 4, 2017 8:32:45 GMT
"Ran" is past tense so it's either We were ran by idiots Or We are run by idiots The correct participle in both sentences would be run "We were run by idiots" "We are run by idiots" In English, when we use the passive we always use the participal past and not the simple past. Ran could be used to say "I ran in that race"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 8:47:44 GMT
I see what actually goes on though and that's enough. Why do people accept this? You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you. To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 4, 2017 8:55:22 GMT
"Ran" is past tense so it's either We were ran by idiots Or We are run by idiots Still think it should be "we are not run by idiots"
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 4, 2017 9:01:41 GMT
You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you. To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 4, 2017 9:08:07 GMT
How many points do we expect to have amassed by then ? How long for him to settle in with new system and team mates . Considering he has already had a season with us I'd suggest it would take no time at all. He knows the club but has never played with Zouma and most people think we need at least one if not both full backs replacing then a lot of work needs putting in to build a decent defensive unit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:15:01 GMT
"Ran" is past tense so it's either We were ran by idiots Or We are run by idiots Still think it should be "we are not run by idiots" Still think the idiots should fucking well run away...
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 4, 2017 9:34:35 GMT
Still think it should be "we are not run by idiots" Still think the idiots should fucking well run away... You know the old saying? It takes one to know one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 10:08:19 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters You don't need detailed knowledge to see this deal is an absolute mess and it's not the first time. And the business record point is a good one but I think you can tell we're a Peter ran business to the way bet365 are run. We are slap dash.
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 4, 2017 10:54:05 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters Great posts, factual, realistic and ang on, still a few bellends on here, who knock the team no matter what.Even I buy new shirts, living in Thailand for 15 years.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 4, 2017 11:01:14 GMT
Considering he has already had a season with us I'd suggest it would take no time at all. He knows the club but has never played with Zouma and most people think we need at least one if not both full backs replacing then a lot of work needs putting in to build a decent defensive unit. Indi hadn't played with Shawcross before he arrived but he slotted in pretty seamlessly after no more than 1 or 2 games. I'm sure Zouma can't be any more difficult to form a partnership with than Shawcross. Shawcross has huge experience but Zouma tooks totally at home in the Prem. I would imagine that most competent centre backs would quickly form a sound partnership with Zouma.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 4, 2017 11:02:08 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 11:07:06 GMT
You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you. To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ??
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2017 11:12:49 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ?? I wondered that, I don't always agree with Bayern on football related matters although I often do, and I like the way he argues his corner generally with good grace, but that was the strangest thing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:13:29 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ?? The no stripes on the back. It's an insult. And then the contempt shown when questioned about it.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 4, 2017 11:17:08 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters 100% correct Sir....Post of the week goes to you. 🥇
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:20:26 GMT
Itsajoy is right though, you have no idea what the capabilities of these people are. What we do know is that the owners and the people they have appointed have turned the club around and have achieved 10 years in the top division, something unthinkable for 20 years or more. I also know people professionally engaged in the game who are continually impressed by the way the club operates. The owners have done this in an understated way, injecting close to £100 million plus huge amounts of personal time. As stated many times, they are now trying to out the club on a sustainable fimancial footing, a challenging task in a market in which transfer fees are 50% up on last year. Only when you have detailed knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes, the discussions with players, the compromises the have to make can you form a considered view. It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved is trying to do anything other than the best for the club. It also seems unlikely the owners would tolerate poor performance given their business records. The main test of engagement with fans is attendances. Management know if the club drops a division then attendances will fall. Meanwhile, the cheapest tickets in the division and free away travel show a club trying to help its supporters 100% correct Sir....Post of the week goes to you. 🥇 So explain away this fucked up deal? Wr know we had a deal agreed. We know this wasn't acted upon. That is enough to question them. That is enough to see that they haven't got their shit in order.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 4, 2017 11:21:43 GMT
Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ?? The no stripes on the back. It's an insult. And then the contempt shown when questioned about it. You are absoluely off your bloody rocker how can no stripes on the back be an insult? 😆
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2017 11:25:03 GMT
Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ?? The no stripes on the back. It's an insult. And then the contempt shown when questioned about it. Got you, it read like our shirts have been a shit stain on our history all through the decades! You just mean the current white back offering. I'm not nearly as incensed about it as you, I think it just looks really crap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:25:19 GMT
The no stripes on the back. It's an insult. And then the contempt shown when questioned about it. You are absoluely off your bloody rocker how can no stripes on the back be an insult? 😆 Because we play in stripes. The panel on the back shits on that tradition. And it's done so people buy names and numbers. It's a massive insult.
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Post by coupe on Aug 4, 2017 11:26:33 GMT
You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you. To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. What you fail to realise is when the club recieve a e-mail off you it is automatically directed to the spam folder and I have that on good authority.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 4, 2017 11:28:27 GMT
You are absoluely off your bloody rocker how can no stripes on the back be an insult? 😆 Because we play in stripes. The panel on the back shits on that tradition. And it's done so people buy names and numbers. It's a massive insult. I think its a bit poor yes but a massive insult wow Do you take valium on a daily basis?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:29:44 GMT
Because we play in stripes. The panel on the back shits on that tradition. And it's done so people buy names and numbers. It's a massive insult. I think its a bit poor yes but a massive insult wow Do you take valium on a daily basis? What's Valium? So no! 😂 And of course it is. It just highlights the contempt too.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 4, 2017 11:33:52 GMT
I can certainly recommend it as it takes the edge off the match day and oatcake experience! 😆
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Post by rawli on Aug 4, 2017 11:35:59 GMT
Bayern what do you mean by; No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. ?? The no stripes on the back. It's an insult. And then the contempt shown when questioned about it. I thought you meant you tucked it in too tightly.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 4, 2017 11:39:13 GMT
You really are a complete bellend. Why do people accept this? Because they neither own or run the club. What do you want them to do? I know the same as you sit on your fat arse and complain through the Oatcake brcause we all know the Coates family are addicted to it. You are absolutely pathetic. Oh and by the way I will not engage in 20 pages of online argument with you. To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. C'mon Bayern. You are doing your credibility absolutely no good. No one can honestly say that what we have/ where we are now is less than mediocrity when you look at the entire history of our club. We are currently in one of the 3 best times in Stoke's history. If that is something that you feel is less than mediocre, I strongly suggest, for your own health and certainly for the betterment of this forum, that you give up following Stoke. Yes, we can do better, but less than mediocrity?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2017 11:45:12 GMT
To actually engage and make these people accountable. The fans are make the club, the owners are neither here nor there. No I don't buy the shirts because they're a shit stain on our history. I used to e-mail them directly but that's pointless. I used to contact the fans council but that's pointless. We're completely voiceless and I find that pathetic. We pay lip service and just accept what isn't even mediocrity any more. C'mon Bayern. You are doing your credibility absolutely no good. No one can honestly say that what we have/ where we are now is less than mediocrity when you look at the entire history of our club. We are currently in one of the 3 best times in Stoke's history. If that is something that you feel is less than mediocre, I strongly suggest, for your own health and certainly for the betterment of this forum, that you give up following Stoke. Yes, we can do better, but less than mediocrity? My health? What do you know about my health?😂 And less of the condescending crap about who and what I can follow. We're a Premier League that is run no better than a League 2 club. We could do so much more and we accept so little. I don't get that attitude. The past is absolutely irrelevant and only serves as in the case of your post to hold us back.
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Post by johnnybutlershair on Aug 4, 2017 11:49:46 GMT
How are we ran like a league two club??
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