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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2017 11:14:00 GMT
Why doesn't he put in a transfer request - that seems to work! He's probably not a complete bell end like Arnie.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 31, 2017 11:49:09 GMT
I don't understand why it is so hard for you. Club has said it has to be self-sufficient and enough has been invested, therefore we will spend the cash we generate, about £25 million after the ground improvements, plus what we get in, but this requires we reduce our squad size to allow us more ability to target our wages spend to a smaller number of better players. It may not work but not sure there are many other options unless someone is out there with an empty cheque book. Not clear new owners at West Brom are particularly throwing cash around either Like most clubs outside the top 7, excluding West Ham who have a lot more cash because of their stadium deal and Bournemouth who are spending for the first time, very little has happened yet - there were almost no deals last week. What more do you want the club to say? Give us a list of their targets maybe? On Bruno, he didn't ask for a move. maybe he was waiting to see what happened at Porto before he made his decision, he certainly had opportunities to sign and didn't use them, power remains with the player in these situations. The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. The Bet365 sponsorship is just a bit higher than market rate (see the comparisons on Swiss Ramble's blog) but not enough to lead to a financial fair play challenge so your suggestion it's cheap Is nonsense. The corner costs money and takes up cash, the owners have chosen not to borrow to fund it but to use operating cash flow so that is money not available for transfers. If the club is sold, the buyer has to spend money buying the club before spending on transfers, anyone willing to do that with no prospect of a return? You say the investment is not enough but it is all the club can afford unless the owners are willing to give more money for free. It has been said many times, the plan is to be self sufficient and that means watching every penny. If you have ideas for where the club could get more money I would let them know.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2017 11:59:40 GMT
More like another weekend where some of our fantastic fans shortcomings are on full display. Benjamin, I live in the USA, no friends that went to crewe or any other means of getting feedback from the game. I am distressed our super youngsters were found out!! How do you think N'Goy, Verlinden, Edwards and Tymon played? Aren't you the guy who for at least the past FIVE years in a row have said the same thing? (Club doesn't have a clue and we will be relegated) If someone told you for FIVE years in a row one thing, and then a totally different thing happened every single time (we finished top ten 3 years in a row - best in Stoke's history and far from relegation), wouldn't you start to think that the person telling you the wrong thing is the one who does not have a clue and is incompetent or worse? Try citalopram or sertraline....they're tremendous happy pills. BS, I assume that you are directing your comment at Benjamin, but, in the remote chance you are addressing it to me, what part of my post do you not agree with?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 12:07:23 GMT
To me, in our pursuit of Bruno, our signing of Zouma is at least handy, or at best, pivotal. Our main bargaining tool is that we have a player for a year, and in a year, we lose him, and replace him with Bruno on a free. In reality, I'd expect us to try to get Zouma for a second year, and if we're playing 3 at the back, we'll need another centre-half this season anyway. But we can afford to get that third centre-back now then jettison Zouma next season anyway by bringing in Bruno on a free. If Bruno isn't really wanted by Porto, I think in the desperation stakes, we're holding the best cards. If Bruno wants to come here, we can sign him on a free in January and he can spend the next few months jumping out of the way of tackles. Or Porto can cut their losses and sell him for a reasonable price like the one we originally agreed. Alternatively another club cough up in the interim and he moves there? There are all sorts of possibilities Jase, but so far, apart from an apparently false sighting of the lesser spotted Crystal Palace flying around, no one's shown too much interest as yet. And we could always increase our bid if that happened. The big 'if' is whether Bruno wants to come here. If he's really bought a property locally, it sounds like he wants to move here, so unless a better club come along, it won't really make much of a difference what Porto want to do. The player's holding the cards with a year to go on his contract. I suspect we've promised him a wacking great signing-on fee for getting him on the cheap, which may be why we're haggling over the price now. All 'ifs and buts' I know, but the club have never been great at communicating with the fans (and Coates appears to have reverted to his #1 days in this and other respects), so 'ifs and buts' are all we've got. I still think he'll be here at some point, but Porto might need to make note of how we waited for Diouf then got him for free rather than pay over the odds. I suspect we'll do the same here.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2017 12:08:15 GMT
Any chance you you happen to have one of these measly odd millions laying around you could send my way? If someone publicly holds you to ransom on a pre-agreed deal, do you pay the money and "never do business with them again", or do you refuse to send a message to every other club in the world that we are chumps that will throw extra money at you if you mess us around? I'm glad my club has the backbone to stand yep to people trying to gyp us! Personally no I don't have a few of these misely millions but I know of a football club backed by the biggest online gambling company that does and see's nothing in pissing 18 of them away based on a player who had a good game in pre season against us. He is proven, suits the club and should be here. I'm glad you're proud of the club for having a backbone are you as proud of our legal/contracts team who have obviously been duped with the "option to buy clause"? Not proud nor ashamed. Obviously you must have some inside knowledge, because the only things I have heard about the agreement details is what I have heard/seen in the media. Last I looked, no club makes a practice of publishing their agreements in the media. Who knows what the arrangement was, all I know for certain is that the CLUB I SUPPORT was asked to pay more than they thought had been agreed and refused to do so. Until hard evidence to the contrary is published, I prefer to give MY TEAM the benefit of the doubt rather than always assuming they are in some sort of nefarious plot to disappoint me in every action they take. C'mon Stoke!
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 12:25:28 GMT
Is this one possible scenario? BMI has a very good season at Stoke and decides he can make it in the PL but believes he can do better than Stoke. So he holds out for personal terms that Stoke can't or won't meet. The option runs out and he stays at Porto, even though he wants to leave for pastures green. Now he's waiting to see if a team bigger than Stoke will come for him and he'll wait right up to the deadline before making a decision. He's in a good bargaining position because Stoke need him more than he needs Stoke. I think it was said that everything was agreed with the players (BMI and Delph), but the clubs were the problem? That's what I understood too. However, something doesn't add up. If the price was agreed as part of the option to buy, how can Porto demand more money.?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 12:30:07 GMT
Why doesn't he put in a transfer request - that seems to work! He's probably not a complete bell end like Arnie. Why does putting a transfer request in make someone a bell-end? In many ways it's the honourable thing to do if the player genuinely wants out, rather than just agitating for a move so that you remain entitled to a 'loyalty' bonus.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 12:48:51 GMT
Why doesn't he put in a transfer request - that seems to work! He's probably not a complete bell end like Arnie. He may well lose out financially if he puts in a transfer request because he'll forfeit any loyalty incentives in his contract if Stoke aren't willing to make up the difference in a signing bonus. This is probably the main issue. It is also possible BMI may have to pay back bonuses already paid to him if he requests a transfer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 12:56:27 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 13:00:44 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. What?
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 31, 2017 13:01:46 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. Well you're obviously not a very good judge of football players are you if you thought he was bang average?
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Post by baystokie on Jul 31, 2017 13:02:14 GMT
I think it was said that everything was agreed with the players (BMI and Delph), but the clubs were the problem? That's what I understood too. However, something doesn't add up. If the price was agreed as part of the option to buy, how can Porto demand more money.? IF Porto did demand more money, what are Stoke's options? Walk away? Pay up? Taking them to court would be costly, may not get the result we expect and may still not get the player. So what do you think we should do?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 31, 2017 13:04:40 GMT
That's what I understood too. However, something doesn't add up. If the price was agreed as part of the option to buy, how can Porto demand more money.? IF Porto did demand more money, what are Stoke's options? Walk away? Pay up? Taking them to court would be costly, may not get the result we expect and may still not get the player. So what do you think we should do? Negotiate, then pay the agreed price. Simples!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 13:07:20 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. You will fit in well here.
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Post by walton corner on Jul 31, 2017 13:24:24 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. You will fit in well here. He is right bang average ,he is not saying he is poor but is not saying he is a class ..,I myself don't understand why stoke are that hooked on him ,move on if Porto don't want to play ball
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 13:30:26 GMT
That's what I understood too. However, something doesn't add up. If the price was agreed as part of the option to buy, how can Porto demand more money.? IF Porto did demand more money, what are Stoke's options? Walk away? Pay up? Taking them to court would be costly, may not get the result we expect and may still not get the player. So what do you think we should do? Assuming the contract was written properly (!) Stoke could not lose in court. They would receive compensation, damages and costs. However, it would take time, which we don't have. Edit: One more thought. The system will collapse if teams start reneging on contracts. Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the end.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 31, 2017 14:09:10 GMT
Try citalopram or sertraline....they're tremendous happy pills. BS, I assume that you are directing your comment at Benjamin, but, in the remote chance you are addressing it to me, what part of my post do you not agree with? I've actually quoted the wrong post, I apologize for that.
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Post by datguy on Jul 31, 2017 14:34:23 GMT
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Post by professorplump on Jul 31, 2017 14:42:22 GMT
I wonder if it is the same virus that has stopped Alexis Sanchez training with Arsenal!
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Post by Davef on Jul 31, 2017 15:13:18 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. Just what we need, another Benji talking rubbish.
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Post by skelman on Jul 31, 2017 15:34:46 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. You little stirrer you!
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Post by stokeyank on Jul 31, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
Just sent home from Porto with a reported 'virus'. We shall see! (I love fanning the flames )
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 31, 2017 17:17:40 GMT
That's what I understood too. However, something doesn't add up. If the price was agreed as part of the option to buy, how can Porto demand more money.? IF Porto did demand more money, what are Stoke's options? Walk away? Pay up? Taking them to court would be costly, may not get the result we expect and may still not get the player. So what do you think we should do? There is another option considering Porto are in trouble why not offer sponsorship as part of a back hander from bet365 that way bet 365 get advertising in another market and the player we want for stoke
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 31, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. I am not saying he is poor I just tend to think he was the best out of a bad bunch last season. Answering your own posts..... I like that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 31, 2017 18:18:30 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. Oh Christ! Not another.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 31, 2017 20:14:47 GMT
I don't get the fascination with him to be fair. Thought he was bang average then again must be difficult playing alongside shawcross. Oh Christ! Not another. I thought exactly the same LG, if it wasn't bad enough have daft Benji spouting shite constantly we've now got his daft doppelgänger at it. This place is going to the dogs!!!
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Post by baystokie on Jul 31, 2017 20:29:08 GMT
IF Porto did demand more money, what are Stoke's options? Walk away? Pay up? Taking them to court would be costly, may not get the result we expect and may still not get the player. So what do you think we should do? Assuming the contract was written properly (!) Stoke could not lose in court. They would receive compensation, damages and costs. However, it would take time, which we don't have. Edit: One more thought. The system will collapse if teams start reneging on contracts. Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the end. Your point about the time element in court action is well made AND you still may not get the player. So you are left with 'walk' or 'pay their price'. Of course, you could wait till next summer and BMI is out of contract - but then who knows where he will go?
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Post by scfcballers on Aug 3, 2017 18:04:50 GMT
Bruno has returned to FC Porto training after being out with a virus. Doesn't look like we'll be getting him anytime soon.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 3, 2017 18:06:39 GMT
Bruno has returned to FC Porto training after being out with a virus. Doesn't look like we'll be getting him anytime soon. Think he'll be missing training again early next week, I've heard he's home sick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 18:08:22 GMT
Has he been sent home from pre season with a virus ?
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