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Post by GoBoks on Jul 30, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
Another weekend where The disarray just seems to get worse day by day , our super new youngsters exposed at Crewe , our public utterances on indi exposed as incompetent or worse , our top striker can't hit a barn door , another leak for a player we know we won't get , and a CEO who blatantly ignores there is an issue by citing a Chelsea reserve recovering from injury on loan as a landmark signing . Club needs a real clear message to it's supporters and players of exactly what the intent Or plan is , right now it looks like we have given up on all this premier league hassle have banked the income and fee for Arnie and just want to disappear Back into mediocrity or worse where we can be Little old stoke . More like another weekend where some of our fantastic fans shortcomings are on full display. Benjamin, I live in the USA, no friends that went to crewe or any other means of getting feedback from the game. I am distressed our super youngsters were found out!! How do you think N'Goy, Verlinden, Edwards and Tymon played? Aren't you the guy who for at least the past FIVE years in a row have said the same thing? (Club doesn't have a clue and we will be relegated) If someone told you for FIVE years in a row one thing, and then a totally different thing happened every single time (we finished top ten 3 years in a row - best in Stoke's history and far from relegation), wouldn't you start to think that the person telling you the wrong thing is the one who does not have a clue and is incompetent or worse?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 30, 2017 20:24:11 GMT
You reckon that would be the final straw for TP wouldn't you? Poor bastard. I think he would have a breakdown mate Hopefully, leaving Gary Megson in charge as well
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Post by drfootball on Jul 30, 2017 20:29:56 GMT
Another weekend where The disarray just seems to get worse day by day , our super new youngsters exposed at Crewe , our public utterances on indi exposed as incompetent or worse , our top striker can't hit a barn door , another leak for a player we know we won't get , and a CEO who blatantly ignores there is an issue by citing a Chelsea reserve recovering from injury on loan as a landmark signing . Club needs a real clear message to it's supporters and players of exactly what the intent Or plan is , right now it looks like we have given up on all this premier league hassle have banked the income and fee for Arnie and just want to disappear Back into mediocrity or worse where we can be Little old stoke . God you're boring ,with a one track fucking negative diatribe of doom about 300 times a day. Give it rest for God's sake !
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 30, 2017 20:50:21 GMT
Another weekend where The disarray just seems to get worse day by day , our super new youngsters exposed at Crewe , our public utterances on indi exposed as incompetent or worse , our top striker can't hit a barn door , another leak for a player we know we won't get , and a CEO who blatantly ignores there is an issue by citing a Chelsea reserve recovering from injury on loan as a landmark signing . Club needs a real clear message to it's supporters and players of exactly what the intent Or plan is , right now it looks like we have given up on all this premier league hassle have banked the income and fee for Arnie and just want to disappear Back into mediocrity or worse where we can be Little old stoke . I don't understand why it is so hard for you. Club has said it has to be self-sufficient and enough has been invested, therefore we will spend the cash we generate, about £25 million after the ground improvements, plus what we get in, but this requires we reduce our squad size to allow us more ability to target our wages spend to a smaller number of better players. It may not work but not sure there are many other options unless someone is out there with an empty cheque book. Not clear new owners at West Brom are particularly throwing cash around either Like most clubs outside the top 7, excluding West Ham who have a lot more cash because of their stadium deal and Bournemouth who are spending for the first time, very little has happened yet - there were almost no deals last week. What more do you want the club to say? Give us a list of their targets maybe? On Bruno, he didn't ask for a move. maybe he was waiting to see what happened at Porto before he made his decision, he certainly had opportunities to sign and didn't use them, power remains with the player in these situations. The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 30, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
I don't understand why it is so hard for you. Club has said it has to be self-sufficient and enough has been invested, therefore we will spend the cash we generate, about £25 million after the ground improvements, plus what we get in, but this requires we reduce our squad size to allow us more ability to target our wages spend to a smaller number of better players. It may not work but not sure there are many other options unless someone is out there with an empty cheque book. Not clear new owners at West Brom are particularly throwing cash around either Like most clubs outside the top 7, excluding West Ham who have a lot more cash because of their stadium deal and Bournemouth who are spending for the first time, very little has happened yet - there were almost no deals last week. What more do you want the club to say? Give us a list of their targets maybe? On Bruno, he didn't ask for a move. maybe he was waiting to see what happened at Porto before he made his decision, he certainly had opportunities to sign and didn't use them, power remains with the player in these situations. The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. Any chance you you happen to have one of these measly odd millions laying around you could send my way? If someone publicly holds you to ransom on a pre-agreed deal, do you pay the money and "never do business with them again", or do you refuse to send a message to every other club in the world that we are chumps that will throw extra money at you if you mess us around? I'm glad my club has the backbone to stand yep to people trying to gyp us!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2017 21:03:17 GMT
I don't understand why it is so hard for you. Club has said it has to be self-sufficient and enough has been invested, therefore we will spend the cash we generate, about £25 million after the ground improvements, plus what we get in, but this requires we reduce our squad size to allow us more ability to target our wages spend to a smaller number of better players. It may not work but not sure there are many other options unless someone is out there with an empty cheque book. Not clear new owners at West Brom are particularly throwing cash around either Like most clubs outside the top 7, excluding West Ham who have a lot more cash because of their stadium deal and Bournemouth who are spending for the first time, very little has happened yet - there were almost no deals last week. What more do you want the club to say? Give us a list of their targets maybe? On Bruno, he didn't ask for a move. maybe he was waiting to see what happened at Porto before he made his decision, he certainly had opportunities to sign and didn't use them, power remains with the player in these situations. The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. Add Leicester Everton and Watford and Huddersfield to Bournemouth and Everton all of who have done good business , plus you miss two key points
we have sold 4 first team players from a squad that blatantly was destined for Big trouble and list another one in Bruno and so far have a 33 year old free , a 18 year old with a couple of games behind him and a loan from Chelsea. . It's a reciepe for a catastrophe of a season
name me me a team that finished below us who have sold or lost 5 first team regulars
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 30, 2017 21:04:40 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 30, 2017 21:04:52 GMT
The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. Any chance you you happen to have one of these measly odd millions laying around you could send my way? If someone publicly holds you to ransom on a pre-agreed deal, do you pay the money and "never do business with them again", or do you refuse to send a message to every other club in the world that we are chumps that will throw extra money at you if you mess us around? I'm glad my club has the backbone to stand yep to people trying to gyp us! Personally no I don't have a few of these misely millions but I know of a football club backed by the biggest online gambling company that does and see's nothing in pissing 18 of them away based on a player who had a good game in pre season against us. He is proven, suits the club and should be here. I'm glad you're proud of the club for having a backbone are you as proud of our legal/contracts team who have obviously been duped with the "option to buy clause"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:11:57 GMT
The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. Add Leicester Everton and Watford and Huddersfield to Bournemouth and Everton all of who have done good business , plus you miss two key points
we have sold 4 first team players from a squad that blatantly was destined for Big trouble and list another one in Bruno and so far have a 33 year old free , a 18 year old with a couple of games behind him and a loan from Chelsea. . It's a reciepe for a catastrophe of a season
name me me a team that finished below us who have sold or lost 5 first team regulars
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 30, 2017 21:13:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 30, 2017 21:17:22 GMT
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 30, 2017 21:19:19 GMT
All bollox. If Bruno wanted to come it would be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:26:07 GMT
All bollox. If Bruno wanted to come it would be done. I wouldn't be so sure with our lot behind the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:27:12 GMT
All bollox. If Bruno wanted to come it would be done. I wouldn't be so sure with our lot behind the scenes. In the grand scheme of things it's all just pointless anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:34:03 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure with our lot behind the scenes. In the grand scheme of things it's all just pointless anyway? I didn't realise Bruno was a woman.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 30, 2017 23:42:39 GMT
Yes to smalling Maybe to sackho and mangala
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 30, 2017 23:59:11 GMT
Yes to Mangala. Big time! Pick of the bunch
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 31, 2017 0:10:36 GMT
Another weekend where The disarray just seems to get worse day by day , our super new youngsters exposed at Crewe , our public utterances on indi exposed as incompetent or worse , our top striker can't hit a barn door , another leak for a player we know we won't get , and a CEO who blatantly ignores there is an issue by citing a Chelsea reserve recovering from injury on loan as a landmark signing . Club needs a real clear message to it's supporters and players of exactly what the intent Or plan is , right now it looks like we have given up on all this premier league hassle have banked the income and fee for Arnie and just want to disappear Back into mediocrity or worse where we can be Little old stoke . Best not mention how the first team got on over the weekend eh? Perhaps he was on a plane. When we beat Sunderland he was on a plane. A convenient way to avoid discussing an impressive victory.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 31, 2017 0:38:58 GMT
This Bruno saga is making me drink every time I see it pop up the threads, one jack, one bush mills and thrice a bulleit rye. 😢 You must be an alcoholic by now with a failing liver No, I sober up instantly reading benji's quips
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 0:57:09 GMT
To me, in our pursuit of Bruno, our signing of Zouma is at least handy, or at best, pivotal. Our main bargaining tool is that we have a player for a year, and in a year, we lose him, and replace him with Bruno on a free. In reality, I'd expect us to try to get Zouma for a second year, and if we're playing 3 at the back, we'll need another centre-half this season anyway. But we can afford to get that third centre-back now then jettison Zouma next season anyway by bringing in Bruno on a free.
If Bruno isn't really wanted by Porto, I think in the desperation stakes, we're holding the best cards. If Bruno wants to come here, we can sign him on a free in January and he can spend the next few months jumping out of the way of tackles. Or Porto can cut their losses and sell him for a reasonable price like the one we originally agreed.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 1:47:59 GMT
Is this one possible scenario? BMI has a very good season at Stoke and decides he can make it in the PL but believes he can do better than Stoke. So he holds out for personal terms that Stoke can't or won't meet. The option runs out and he stays at Porto, even though he wants to leave for pastures green. Now he's waiting to see if a team bigger than Stoke will come for him and he'll wait right up to the deadline before making a decision. He's in a good bargaining position because Stoke need him more than he needs Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 1:49:55 GMT
Best not mention how the first team got on over the weekend eh? Perhaps he was on a plane. When we beat Sunderland he was on a plane. A convenient way to avoid discussing an impressive victory. He sounds like a real high flyer. I'm soooo very impressed. As impressed as I would be with a burbling, rambling Walter Mitty with a crocodile fixation.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2017 2:00:41 GMT
You must be an alcoholic by now with a failing liver No, I sober up instantly reading benji's quips I take comfort in knowing I am not not grumpiest sumbitch on this board.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2017 8:08:03 GMT
Is this one possible scenario? BMI has a very good season at Stoke and decides he can make it in the PL but believes he can do better than Stoke. So he holds out for personal terms that Stoke can't or won't meet. The option runs out and he stays at Porto, even though he wants to leave for pastures green. Now he's waiting to see if a team bigger than Stoke will come for him and he'll wait right up to the deadline before making a decision. He's in a good bargaining position because Stoke need him more than he needs Stoke. I think it was said that everything was agreed with the players (BMI and Delph), but the clubs were the problem?
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 31, 2017 8:57:15 GMT
Another weekend where The disarray just seems to get worse day by day , our super new youngsters exposed at Crewe , our public utterances on indi exposed as incompetent or worse , our top striker can't hit a barn door , another leak for a player we know we won't get , and a CEO who blatantly ignores there is an issue by citing a Chelsea reserve recovering from injury on loan as a landmark signing . Club needs a real clear message to it's supporters and players of exactly what the intent Or plan is , right now it looks like we have given up on all this premier league hassle have banked the income and fee for Arnie and just want to disappear Back into mediocrity or worse where we can be Little old stoke . More like another weekend where some of our fantastic fans shortcomings are on full display. Benjamin, I live in the USA, no friends that went to crewe or any other means of getting feedback from the game. I am distressed our super youngsters were found out!! How do you think N'Goy, Verlinden, Edwards and Tymon played? Aren't you the guy who for at least the past FIVE years in a row have said the same thing? (Club doesn't have a clue and we will be relegated) If someone told you for FIVE years in a row one thing, and then a totally different thing happened every single time (we finished top ten 3 years in a row - best in Stoke's history and far from relegation), wouldn't you start to think that the person telling you the wrong thing is the one who does not have a clue and is incompetent or worse? Try citalopram or sertraline....they're tremendous happy pills.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2017 10:52:27 GMT
All bollox. If Bruno wanted to come it would be done. It doesn't matter how desperate he is to come if Porto are playing silly buggers trying to get a few million more. He'll be our player by the end of the window it's just brinkmanship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 10:57:02 GMT
To me, in our pursuit of Bruno, our signing of Zouma is at least handy, or at best, pivotal. Our main bargaining tool is that we have a player for a year, and in a year, we lose him, and replace him with Bruno on a free. In reality, I'd expect us to try to get Zouma for a second year, and if we're playing 3 at the back, we'll need another centre-half this season anyway. But we can afford to get that third centre-back now then jettison Zouma next season anyway by bringing in Bruno on a free. If Bruno isn't really wanted by Porto, I think in the desperation stakes, we're holding the best cards. If Bruno wants to come here, we can sign him on a free in January and he can spend the next few months jumping out of the way of tackles. Or Porto can cut their losses and sell him for a reasonable price like the one we originally agreed. Alternatively another club cough up in the interim and he moves there?
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Post by thehoof on Jul 31, 2017 11:02:12 GMT
The investment has been nowhere near enough, not even close. For a start the owners, who currently have their brand plastered across the stadium and the shirts are having global advertising in the most televised football league in the world for an utter pittance. The stadium improvements is a mild outlay that will easily be returned upon sale of the club and it has not been lost on a lot of supporters that the corner that has been filled will be the most aesthetically pleasing one to be done as at least on TV the ground will look "finished". Whilst I don't believe that we should be pissing £30m+ on players the BMI deal is a clear message of our intent. Even if Porto wanted £13-15m and screwed us around with a contract... pay it, move on and never do business with them again. Where are we going to pick up someone with his quality who has proven himself not only in the league but also at the club for that price? We're penny pinching over what has become a misely odd million here and there and ultimately, maybe not this season, it will catch up with us. Add Leicester Everton and Watford and Huddersfield to Bournemouth and Everton all of who have done good business , plus you miss two key points
we have sold 4 first team players from a squad that blatantly was destined for Big trouble and list another one in Bruno and so far have a 33 year old free , a 18 year old with a couple of games behind him and a loan from Chelsea. . It's a reciepe for a catastrophe of a season
name me me a team that finished below us who have sold or lost 5 first team regulars Benji mate, one of the 4 was a regular.Whelan and Walters were squad players-Walters clearly could have made an impact off the bench but wanted first team football, so I have no axe to grind there. Fletcher is a similar age to GW but a better player. Zouma is a straight swap for BMI- granted I would have liked to see him here but we should not be hoodwinked again by Porto. That leaves Arnie whom we do need to find a replacement for. He is a loss no question, but Bojan might come good, Joselu might be a surprise package- I don't know if they will, but equally you don't know for sure that they won't.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 31, 2017 11:02:50 GMT
Why doesn't he put in a transfer request - that seems to work!
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