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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 15, 2017 20:52:03 GMT
Stoke had a deal with Porto that ended on June 1st saying that if Porto wanted to sell and we wanted him then a set price as part of the loan was €10mill. Porto decided after how well he played to say they were unwilling to sell him and allowed the deadline to pass and then came back saying they will sell now but for more money than we previously agreed. On principle Stoke refused to pay a penny more than we agreed especially as BMI has 1 year left on his contract meaning in Jan we could sign him on a pre contract for nothing for next season. BMI had already agreed terms with Stoke and brought a house in the area where most of his possessions are. Porto now felling pressured have tried to force Stoke by making up stories of other clubs bidding for BMI, all false. Even if they did receive a bid it's still BMI's choice if he wants to go that team Hold on Marc how in the world of pig pudding can Stoke and Porto 'have a deal' that Porto simply reneged on. That's not a 'deal', that's two clubs existing. We have a deal unless I don't want a deal in which case there's no deal?!?!?!? That's absolutely insane and certainly not a friggin 'deal'?!?!??! You're forgetting one important factor in this. Who put this 'deal' together on our side?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 20:53:03 GMT
Hold on Marc how in the world of pig pudding can Stoke and Porto 'have a deal' that Porto simply reneged on. That's not a 'deal', that's two clubs existing. We have a deal unless I don't want a deal in which case there's no deal?!?!?!? That's absolutely insane and certainly not a friggin 'deal'?!?!??! You're forgetting one important factor in this. Who put this 'deal' together on our side? Go on then. Who was it?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2017 20:56:58 GMT
Better to wake on August 12th for the start of the season. Don't think we start the season in August though do we? 😁😁😁 No. This time it will be different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 21:04:31 GMT
So it wasn't an option deal then? If both sides can pull out? If it was an option to pay 10 mill then it is for stoke to trigger and If porto reneged on that stoke can claim damages All due respect mate that is not making sense [/quote: Seems straightforward to me, a tale of 2 'IFs' - fee was 10 mil IF Porto still wished to sell AND we still wished to buy - if either side no longer 'wished', deal was off. As long as both sides agreed the terms, nobody was under any misapprehension (except for the majority of posters on here who did NOT know or understand the terms of the agreement!) That is not a deal of any kind. That's not an option. That is putting both parties in the same position as any team that is approached by another team in the transfer window for one of their players
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 15, 2017 21:11:04 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 15, 2017 21:16:19 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move But also within travelling distance of Manchester/Liverpool?
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 15, 2017 21:20:25 GMT
Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move But also within travelling distance of Manchester/Liverpool? Commutable to london as well Crouchie does it 😉
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Post by Bojan Krkic on Jul 15, 2017 21:37:54 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move The more shocking bit is that there's houses worth £1.8M near to stoke! 😮😁😉
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 15, 2017 21:40:41 GMT
Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move The more shocking bit is that there's houses worth £1.8M near to stoke! 😮😁😉 They have done a bit of renovation in chell heath and fegg hayes so its possible
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Post by Bojan Krkic on Jul 15, 2017 21:48:47 GMT
The more shocking bit is that there's houses worth £1.8M near to stoke! 😮😁😉 They have done a bit of renovation in chell heath and fegg hayes so its possible Either that or Porto have expanded into the Estate Agent business...
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2017 22:12:14 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. You were talking rubbish then and you're talking rubbish now.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 15, 2017 22:26:30 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. We'll find out if we ever agree a fee.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 15, 2017 22:28:37 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move What 'deal' did we have, Marc?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 15, 2017 22:32:53 GMT
Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move The more shocking bit is that there's houses worth £1.8M near to stoke! 😮😁😉 If does have a CW postcode mind you so not that close
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2017 22:35:24 GMT
What have you said? I don't use Twitter myself Stoke had a deal with Porto that ended on June 1st saying that if Porto wanted to sell and we wanted him then a set price as part of the loan was €10mill. Porto decided after how well he played to say they were unwilling to sell him and allowed the deadline to pass and then came back saying they will sell now but for more money than we previously agreed. On principle Stoke refused to pay a penny more than we agreed especially as BMI has 1 year left on his contract meaning in Jan we could sign him on a pre contract for nothing for next season. BMI had already agreed terms with Stoke and brought a house in the area where most of his possessions are. Porto now felling pressured have tried to force Stoke by making up stories of other clubs bidding for BMI, all false. Even if they did receive a bid it's still BMI's choice if he wants to go that team
That isn't a deal mate, it's utter nonsense.
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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2017 22:40:13 GMT
If Porto have reneged on a deal Stoke would be taking them to court. If Stoke thought there was a deal but have been tricked by small print then that's ineptitude and naivety. If there was no formal deal then saying,many times,that there was is also ineptitude and naivety.
My money is on the second theory.
However could Porto be creating fake news this week re Sky's revelations? That might be a runner.
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Post by Davef on Jul 15, 2017 23:24:38 GMT
Look, this was basically a gentlemen's agreement between Stoke and Porto. Had the agreement been binding, we'd committed to signing Bruno and he'd been a disaster, the club would've been slagged off for committing themselves to a deal for a poor player.
As it turns out, he did well for us and Porto have decided that they want more money for him. They are apparently playing hardball with Tottenham over the signing of a full back to replace Kyle Walker, so why should we expect them to play fair with us?
I reckon we'll end up signing Bruno simply because he doesn't have long left on his contact, but it might be a game if brinksmanship and it may well go to deadline day.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 15, 2017 23:27:16 GMT
Maybe we're trying to get the best de possible after last time Porto ripped us off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 3:10:54 GMT
One thing is certain, which ever way this deal goes, Porto can FUCK RIGHT OFF in the future.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 16, 2017 6:30:22 GMT
VERY boring now.Pontificators leave the room. Certain ones are repeating themselves so much it's getting ridiculous now.FFS can't the usual suspects wait, then you can cum in your pants and say, I told u so, or, been saying that for ages, blah blah fkn blah, good help your wives, or boyfriend for that matter
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 16, 2017 7:28:32 GMT
If he was going to sign for us he'd have done it in January. He clearly wants better options and we'll be his last resort if he doesn't fancy being in Porto's reserves for a season. Said this months ago. Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move Yeah because once you buy a house you can't sell it again, can you? Maybe he didn't want to haemorrhage £10k per month renting a place whilst he was here? If we were his first choice he'd have signed in January. What did he have to gain from waiting til the summer?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 16, 2017 7:30:39 GMT
Then buying a £1.8million house close to Stoke would seem a stupid move Yeah because once you buy a house you can't sell it again, can you? Maybe he didn't want to haemorrhage £10k per month renting a place whilst he was here? If we were his first choice he'd have signed in January. What did he have to gain from waiting til the summer? He brought the house at the end of April.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 16, 2017 7:32:16 GMT
Yeah because once you buy a house you can't sell it again, can you? Maybe he didn't want to haemorrhage £10k per month renting a place whilst he was here? If we were his first choice he'd have signed in January. What did he have to gain from waiting til the summer? He brought the house at the end of April. Did he bring it here on the back of a boat?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 16, 2017 7:39:06 GMT
Yeah because once you buy a house you can't sell it again, can you? Maybe he didn't want to haemorrhage £10k per month renting a place whilst he was here? If we were his first choice he'd have signed in January. What did he have to gain from waiting til the summer? He brought the house at the end of April. Also, there is absolutely no proof that this is true. It'd be a huge factor in any transfer story but not one media outlet has mentioned it?
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jul 16, 2017 7:41:24 GMT
Are we resigned to losing BMI, or is there still a chance we can hang on to him?
I have to admit to being somewhat puzzled by this whole sad saga
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 16, 2017 7:45:05 GMT
Look, this was basically a gentlemen's agreement between Stoke and Porto. Had the agreement been binding, we'd committed to signing Bruno and he'd been a disaster, the club would've been slagged off for committing themselves to a deal for a poor player. As it turns out, he did well for us and Porto have decided that they want more money for him. They are apparently playing hardball with Tottenham over the signing of a full back to replace Kyle Walker, so why should we expect them to play fair with us? I reckon we'll end up signing Bruno simply because he doesn't have long left on his contact, but it might be a game if brinksmanship and it may well go to deadline day. The last paragraph rings true....... with the dulcet tones of Jim White waffling on at 10.59: "And we're hearing that Bruno Martins Indi has just put pen to paper at Crystal Palace"😁 Cue 50 threads starting at 11.01 -"we're going down" Can't wait !!!!😔😔
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Post by nott1 on Jul 16, 2017 7:50:03 GMT
Are we resigned to losing BMI, or is there still a chance we can hang on to him? I have to admit to being somewhat puzzled by this whole sad saga As with all our sad sagas, greed is omnipresent, whether it involves club, player, agent or all three!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 7:59:19 GMT
All we can be sure of regarding this deal is to ignore anything that Sky say because they're being fed by Porto. It's a classic, wait for him in the club shirt (or someone else's) approach from me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 16, 2017 8:07:43 GMT
Look, this was basically a gentlemen's agreement between Stoke and Porto. Had the agreement been binding, we'd committed to signing Bruno and he'd been a disaster, the club would've been slagged off for committing themselves to a deal for a poor player. As it turns out, he did well for us and Porto have decided that they want more money for him. They are apparently playing hardball with Tottenham over the signing of a full back to replace Kyle Walker, so why should we expect them to play fair with us? I reckon we'll end up signing Bruno simply because he doesn't have long left on his contact, but it might be a game if brinksmanship and it may well go to deadline day. The last paragraph rings true....... with the dulcet tones of Jim White waffling on at 10.59: "And we're hearing that Bruno Martins Indi has just put pen to paper at Crystal Palace"😁 Cue 50 threads starting at 11.01 -"we're going down" Can't wait !!!!😔😔 We simply can't afford to wait until deadline day to sort this out. That would be insanely risky but typical of the clubs dealings lately.
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Post by s7oke on Jul 16, 2017 8:07:53 GMT
I still think Bruno will sign Just me thinking out loud no proof and I've not been told anything Iwhatever has happened has happened maybe Porto maybe Stoke maybe the player maybe th agent holding things up,maybe all three. Whatever the facts the important thing is that we sign Bruno and one other defender before the season starts and hit the ground running. As our start is hard enough as it is without trying to play several players in several positions. For all we know he may well have signed or we may well have a replacement lined up. If that's the case get it done sooner rather than later stoke if it costs a few quid more so be it. Remember every place in the premiership is worth millions so spend a few now to sort our problems and we may finish a few places higher than expected. Look short term as well as long term. Just get it done before the season starts.
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