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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:25:47 GMT
People really do need to calm down. Most of you are talking like it's your money. The bloke has wanted to leave for the last three years, do you think we would have got this much if he'd have gone on strike (which he had the temperament to do by the way). Also I bet everyone moaning about the deal on here also took part in threads moaning bout him moping around for 70 mins. I have no doubt he will rip us a new one, but mark my words it is only ending one way at West Ham with that price tag hanging round his neck. The money, well, given his desire to get out, I'd have taken £15m to be honest. There are two ways to leave a club; with grace, saying the right things, or nothing at all; or forcing the issue by acting the prick. With hindsight this will just be part of our evolution* - in 3 years he'll be past his best and we will have moved on.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 18, 2017 20:27:58 GMT
£20m cash up front is a decent deal. Its a dreadful deal in today's market imo As usual, the unfounded, sweeping verdict without providing any justification. In the (known) absence of any other bids, what would you have done? You could have refused £24m (however paid) and been left with zero if WHU pulled out - not sure how MA would have reacted but he's a petulant individual? How would you have forced/persuaded/cajoled/ any higher bids from anyone. There was no bidding war for MA's services which says more about his perceived value than any opinion on here.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2017 20:32:11 GMT
Its a dreadful deal in today's market imo As usual, the unfounded, sweeping verdict without providing any justification. In the (known) absence of any other bids, what would you have done? You could have refused £24m (however paid) and been left with zero if WHU pulled out - not sure how MA would have reacted but he's a petulant individual? How would you have forced/persuaded/cajoled/ any higher bids from anyone. There was no bidding war for MA's services which says more about his perceived value than any opinion on here. Me personally I'd have let him rot but I suppose in this day and age it's so hard to do
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 18, 2017 20:32:46 GMT
Its a dreadful deal in today's market imo As usual, the unfounded, sweeping verdict without providing any justification. In the (known) absence of any other bids, what would you have done? You could have refused £24m (however paid) and been left with zero if WHU pulled out - not sure how MA would have reacted but he's a petulant individual? How would you have forced/persuaded/cajoled/ any higher bids from anyone. There was no bidding war for MA's services which says more about his perceived value than any opinion on here. Well I wouldn't be looking to sell him so I'd have no intention of getting any other bids from anyone. Either WHU pay over the odds, or they don't get him. If Arnie decides to sulk, well then he's a dickhead; the more he sulks and refuses to play to his potential the fewer suitors he'd get, and not even sideways-step-Hammers would want him. I'd be happy to let him rot in the reserves for four years to be honest and see where the snake prick's career ends up after then.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 18, 2017 20:33:22 GMT
As others have pointed out last season he only went thru the motions.how he can look his team mates in the eye is totally beyond me.I think we did well to get 20m for him. Now I can recall some of his "missed" goal chances last season hmmmm?. Thanks for nothing greedy twat at least we will have 11 men playing for us next season
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Post by baystokie on Jul 18, 2017 20:37:19 GMT
£24 m shows total incompetence yet again We hold all the cards, he has 4 years left on his contract West Ham are awarded with money and we have no need to sell In a league where someone's paid £30 million for Jordan Pickford, are you seriously telling me we couldn't get atleast the same for one of the best wingers in the league ? Can you imagine MA's performances for those 4 years? This episode would have been repeated every window. Like all sales, you can only get what someone is willing to pay - nothing to do with what you want to sell for. Pickford is seemingly 'worth' £30m to Everton and that's Everton's decision not Sunderland's. Didn't notice a host of clubs knocking down our door, waving cheque books to try and beat each other to MA's signature - that's what reflects the general rating of MA among the rest of the Prem - not much recommendation for 'one of the best wingers in the league' no matter what we, as Stoke fans, think.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 18, 2017 20:43:52 GMT
As usual, the unfounded, sweeping verdict without providing any justification. In the (known) absence of any other bids, what would you have done? You could have refused £24m (however paid) and been left with zero if WHU pulled out - not sure how MA would have reacted but he's a petulant individual? How would you have forced/persuaded/cajoled/ any higher bids from anyone. There was no bidding war for MA's services which says more about his perceived value than any opinion on here. Well I wouldn't be looking to sell him so I'd have no intention of getting any other bids from anyone. Either WHU pay over the odds, or they don't get him. If Arnie decides to sulk, well then he's a dickhead; the more he sulks and refuses to play to his potential the fewer suitors he'd get, and not even sideways-step-Hammers would want him. I'd be happy to let him rot in the reserves for four years to be honest and see where the snake prick's career ends up after then. So you would cut off your nose to spite your face? Not very business-like making it personal? You seem quite happy to actively reduce his asset value in order to satisfy some personal grievance? £24m to free transfer in 3 years - May success attend all your future endeavours!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 20:50:03 GMT
First 2 seasons Arnie was amazing 30 million easy,last 2 seasons were very lucky to get 24 million for him What? His best season was his 3rd season.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 18, 2017 20:50:20 GMT
Arnie was shit the first season he was with us.
A bit better the second.
Great the third.
Last season it was obvious he wanted to go.
£24 million for a player as inconsistent and unpredictable as Arnie is a good deal.
If he was as good as some Oatcake posters seem to think he would never have been at Stoke in the first place.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 21:03:04 GMT
That is one bizarre logic there Geoff. What are you suggesting, that we should somehow allow Arnie and his brother off for the despicable way that they've gone about this because his performances whilst he's been here have meant that his stock has risen? Football is a ruthless business, whatever mistakes Arnie has made cannot outweigh the contribution he has made to Stoke City over the last four years, that's what I'm saying. And you're absolutely wrong.
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Post by marrer on Jul 18, 2017 21:08:17 GMT
Well, for what its worth, I was entertained and excited every time Arnie got the ball. And into the mix, let me just add that I have just left my previous company and joined a new one. Loads of us do that and I don't think we should begrudge the bloke.
So good luck Arnie and thanks for the great memories.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 21:08:40 GMT
It's sad because, despite legitimate arguments regarding inconsistency, he is one of those rare players who always has a moment of magic in him. The way it's gone down is even sadder. West Ham are a bigger club, but their potential for honours is, at best, marginally better than ours. In the grand scheme of such matters it can only be viewed as a sideways move, transparently made with nothing but a payday in mind. A payday that he would've already received a year ago when he signed with us, and a payday that has undoubtedly cost us dearly on his true value in the modern market. It's hard to take. This is a real fuck you to the club that paid him, to the management that took a chance on him despite his reputation and helped him develop into the player he has become, and of course an extra huge fuck you to the supporters that adored him despite his shortcomings, myself included. There's a big silver-lining in that I believe Ramadan has the potential to become a better player than Arnautovic, although that is tempered by the reality that, should he make good progress in realising his potential, he won't be at Stoke City for very long. I can only hope that when Sobhi does leave, he'll go with our blessings to a club with genuinely higher potential to challenge for major honours. Excellent post chap. I hope every Stokie gives the scumbag both barrels when he returns.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 18, 2017 21:11:18 GMT
24m for a player who doesn't want to be here, who we paid 2m for is a good bit of business. Time to dra2 a line and move on.
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Post by cozmick on Jul 18, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
Complete incompetence from the board as per fucking usual.
£24 million in this day and age wouldn't get you a pot noodle and a fucking Mars bar
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 18, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
Why is there nothing on the official website about this?
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Post by liamo on Jul 18, 2017 21:21:56 GMT
Why is there nothing on the official website about this? Because nothing has happened officially yet, worst and best part of football imo
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 21:22:32 GMT
Why is there nothing on the official website about this? Because it's not official yet Because even if it was, the site is shite.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 21:25:10 GMT
Complete incompetence from the board as per fucking usual. £24 million in this day and age wouldn't get you a pot noodle and a fucking Mars bar The likelihood is its going to be £20M, so go steady with that Mars Bar.
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Post by rat on Jul 18, 2017 21:26:15 GMT
Peaked 24 months ago. £20mill+ is a good deal for the cunt. I reckon the fat bastard will get injured anyway
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 18, 2017 21:48:44 GMT
Football is a ruthless business, whatever mistakes Arnie has made cannot outweigh the contribution he has made to Stoke City over the last four years, that's what I'm saying. And you're absolutely wrong. Players have always left clubs for better deals/for personal reasons/ for ambition etc, indeed Matthews and Franklin left Stoke all those years ago even after the club had discovered them as youngsters and given them their chance. Arni is going for a better deal, the brother in an attempt to get the deal done has made some controversial remarks, but in the main the player is only doing what thousands have done before and that is to get more money. Hardly deserving of some of the comments being directed at him on this board, is it?
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Post by RichJonesy on Jul 18, 2017 21:56:42 GMT
I wonder when he handed in his transfer request, if he thought he'd be at West Ham come the new season!?
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Post by stantheman on Jul 18, 2017 21:57:43 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 18, 2017 21:58:18 GMT
They can't possibly know the £4m is for qualifying for the Europa league.
Both sides will be posturing to make it look like they had the best deal.
The true amount and terms will probably never be disclosed.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 18, 2017 21:58:57 GMT
See you later Austrian Heskey Now now that is totally unfair on heskey at no time in his career did he come across as a Two faced back stabbing womb That is true. And I never wanted to see Charlie Adam absolutely clatter Heskey before Ramadan saw off his leg with a butterknife and ram it 15 inches up his arsecrack and hang him from an old building whilst the entire team play piñata having ripped off his other leg from the knee down using a clamp.
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Post by Malex on Jul 18, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
Could turn out to be a blessing. Best part of £20m profit on a player that doesn't want to be here.
I get that he's got that magic when he turns it on, but I see him a lot different to the likes of Fuller. With Fuller, he could look totally disinterested for 89 minutes then do something incredible. With Arnie however, if he's having a stinker then you don't really expect him to recover from it in that game.
I like that losing him and Walters off the books frees up some places for youths to potentially get some game time. I don't care if it leaves us with a bit of brown trouser time and relegation dogfight, seeing some of our prospects getting minutes on the pitch would at least give us something to get excited about now that the novelty of firstly avoiding relegation then finishing mid-table and being an average at best premier league football team is wearing a bit thin.
Also don't get some of the comparisons that I've seen banded about in this thread. In particular both Bolasie and Sigurdsson who will no doubt both have the home grown premium attached.
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Post by daveo67 on Jul 18, 2017 22:10:02 GMT
Our forward line come mid Aug will be Arny, Lanzini, Antonio and Hernandez - with Ayew and Carroll as back up as well as Andre Gray possibly Tell me again how he's making a sideways move to West Ham guys Have a good season ! Nothing against Stoke but Arny realises he's made a move to an ambitious club plus a few more bob in his pocket
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 18, 2017 22:12:47 GMT
Our forward line come mid Aug will be Arny, Lanzini, Antonio and Hernandez - with Ayew and Carroll as back up as well as Andre Gray possibly Tell me again how he's making a sideways move to West Ham guys Have a good season ! Nothing against Stoke but Arny realises he's made a move to an ambitious club plus a few more bob in his pocket £50 bet for a chosen charity that Stoke finish higher this season.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 18, 2017 22:13:47 GMT
Our forward line come mid Aug will be Arny, Lanzini, Antonio and Hernandez - with Ayew and Carroll as back up as well as Andre Gray possibly Tell me again how he's making a sideways move to West Ham guys Have a good season ! Nothing against Stoke but Arny realises he's made a move to an ambitious club plus a few more bob in his pocket Maybe but none of them are as good as shaq 😜
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Post by entropy92 on Jul 18, 2017 22:14:56 GMT
Oh well it is what it is. Im really gutted to see him leave but this is football these days,no loyalty anymore because of all the money in the game. You cant blame the guy for leaving for a bigger pay cheque.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 22:15:15 GMT
Well, for what its worth, I was entertained and excited every time Arnie got the ball. And into the mix, let me just add that I have just left my previous company and joined a new one. Loads of us do that and I don't think we should begrudge the bloke. So good luck Arnie and thanks for the great memories. We're not talking about an everyday bloke, leaving one job for another. Totally different, ferfuxache.
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