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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 16:42:47 GMT
Exacty. I'd have Sigurdsson any day over Arnie. Arnie is just too inconsistent for me. Everyone would have Sigurdsson, apparently he's the better player by £30million... He IS the better player. Imho.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 16:44:29 GMT
I honestly couldn't give a toss. If we wanted rid of him the club would do all sorts of shit to make it happen. Respect is a two way street IMHO. And to talk about contempt... you could say the same about the club and it's attitude towards its own supporters. How can you say you couldn't give a toss, whilst at exactly the same time moaning your sack off that we're going to accept too low a fee for him? He and his brothers' contempt for the club will directly affect our negotiating hand. I moan about it generally because we give players away in my opinion. Our negotiating hand is affected by the clueless fucks conducting them on our behalf. Do we lack so much backbone that we have to buckle because Arnie's brother spouts some shit in the press? WE have him under contract, nobody else. We should be dictating terms. It appears we are to some extent.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
Everyone would have Sigurdsson, apparently he's the better player by £30million... He IS the better player. Imho. 2.5 times the player? Never.
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Post by skelman on Jul 12, 2017 16:46:44 GMT
Pretty sure we'll be saying that this move is dependent on meeting our valuation and other negotiations in progress.
ie £25m and grtting BMI and Zouma over the line
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 12, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
He IS the better player. Imho. 2.5 times the player? Never. Nobody has agreed to pay 50m for Sigurdsson - that is a real "hands off" valuation. Arnie has given in a transfer request, and his loud mouth brother has squealed to the press, which does weaken our hand in any negotiation. We clearly want 20m+, and I would hope get nearer to 25m, which is about right, I feel. He is 28, so there would be a reduced sell on in 4 years' time for them.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 16:50:40 GMT
He IS the better player. Imho. 2.5 times the player? Never. I don't think price always equates to their skill level though. Depending on what club is buying and contract situations.
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Post by pmjh on Jul 12, 2017 16:56:37 GMT
Check out Bolassie stats (15/16) for palace and compare them to Arnies the same year Bolassie 4 goals 3 assists Arnie 11 goals 6 assists. Bolassie was sold for 30 million. Why do the club and fans constantly undervalue our players. Tell them to offer 30+ and we might listen
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Post by nott1 on Jul 12, 2017 16:58:13 GMT
Check out Bolassie stats (15/16) for palace and compare them to Arnies the same year Bolassie 4 goals 3 assists Arnie 11 goals 6 assists. Bolassie was sold for 30 million. Why do the club and fans constantly undervalue our players. Tell them to offer 30+ and we might listen And what's Bolassie done lately? Not a lot this last season!
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Post by pmjh on Jul 12, 2017 16:58:17 GMT
2.5 times the player? Never. I don't think price always equates to their skill level though. Depending on what club is buying and contract situations. But the contract situation could not be much better in our favour could it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 16:59:59 GMT
How can you say you couldn't give a toss, whilst at exactly the same time moaning your sack off that we're going to accept too low a fee for him? He and his brothers' contempt for the club will directly affect our negotiating hand. I moan about it generally because we give players away in my opinion. Â Our negotiating hand is affected by the clueless fucks conducting them on our behalf. Â Do we lack so much backbone that we have to buckle because Arnie's brother spouts some shit in the press? WE have him under contract, nobody else. Â We should be dictating terms. Â It appears we are to some extent. Whether we buckle or not will be down to our negotiating team but Arnie and his brother are trying to FORCE us to buckle. Ultimately we might have to.
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Post by skelman on Jul 12, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
Sigurdsson negotiated a contract extension last July and like Arnautovic has 3 years left to run on it.
He is probably quite happy to stay for at least 2 more years if Swansea remain in the PL but has perhaps agreed the high valuation with the club to deter speculative "fishing", whilst not ruling out a very lucrative offer that would benefit both club and player alike
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:02:15 GMT
I'm in shock at how bad the advice he received was 'Don't worry Marko, sign the 4 year contract, they've promised to not stand in your way if you want to leave' He could have easily sat tight for a year and had free reign to get a big signing on fee and wage packet from any number of clubs, or he could have just said 'look, I'm leaving on a free next year if you don't sell me to Everton' Instead his brother is appealing to our good nature to sell him at below his current market value because we got lucky with the fee we payed 4 years ago and an alleged verbal promise, which hardly seems likely to succeed. He'd be wise to fire his agent! Think his brother is his agent. Even better if he is. 'So brother, that thing you said last year. Turns out Stoke are standing in my way after all?' 'Don't worry Marko, I'll give an interview to the press, Stoke will have to let you go for a pittance then'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:02:54 GMT
Check out Bolassie stats (15/16) for palace and compare them to Arnies the same year Bolassie 4 goals 3 assists Arnie 11 goals 6 assists. Bolassie was sold for 30 million. Why do the club and fans constantly undervalue our players. Tell them to offer 30+ and we might listen And what's Bolassie done lately? Not a lot this last season! He did suffer a fairly horrific injury in his defence
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 17:06:42 GMT
Bolassie was sold for £30million despite not having the stats Arnie did that season.
Our fans and club UNDERVALUE players, I don't get it.
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Post by pmjh on Jul 12, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
And what's Bolassie done lately? Not a lot this last season! He did suffer a fairly horrific injury in his defence That was at Everton I was referring to his last year at palace
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 17:16:19 GMT
Bolassie was sold for £30million despite not having the stats Arnie did that season. Our fans and club UNDERVALUE players, I don't get it. I don't think Bolassie or Arnautovic are worth that. I'd love to see us get that much though, what a fucking steal that'd be.
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Post by pmjh on Jul 12, 2017 17:16:30 GMT
Bolassie was sold for £30million despite not having the stats Arnie did that season. Our fans and club UNDERVALUE players, I don't get it. That's what I said
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 12, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
He IS the better player. Imho. 2.5 times the player? Â Never. I'd put Sigurdsson at about 30m, if they get more that's a bonus but until Arnie can finish better he is a fair way behind for me .
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 12, 2017 17:21:30 GMT
Bolassie was sold for £30million despite not having the stats Arnie did that season. Our fans and club UNDERVALUE players, I don't get it. Agree about him , lightening quick but like Arnie lacks composure
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 17:22:41 GMT
Bolassie was sold for £30million despite not having the stats Arnie did that season. Our fans and club UNDERVALUE players, I don't get it. I don't think Bolassie or Arnautovic are worth that. I'd love to see us get that much though, what a fucking steal that'd be. Nobody is worth that obviously BUT it's the rate. Arnie has been our creative linchpin during 3 top ten finishes yet people are glad to see the back of him. Fuck it, let him go for nowt because his brother has spat his dummy out. N'Zonzi all over again.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 17:24:40 GMT
I don't think Bolassie or Arnautovic are worth that. I'd love to see us get that much though, what a fucking steal that'd be. Nobody is worth that obviously BUT it's the rate. Arnie has been our creative linchpin during 3 top ten finishes yet people are glad to see the back of him. Fuck it, let him go for nowt because his brother has spat his dummy out. N'Zonzi all over again. I really don't think he's as good as most fans make him out to be. Compared to N'zonzi who was consistently good and same with Sigurdsson.
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Post by datguy on Jul 12, 2017 17:29:33 GMT
Arnautovic isn't in the squad.
He'ssssssssss off.
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Post by liamo on Jul 12, 2017 17:31:04 GMT
Might be wrong but transfer requests seem quite rare these days?
If he wants to go it's a huge loss but not one we should stand in the way of, last thing we want is a reputation of imprisoning talent while trying to recruit new players
Yes he's contracted here but it's a delicate balance we have to keep, contract means we should hold all the cards but how often is that the case with us?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 12, 2017 17:32:15 GMT
We haven't accepted a bid yet. Perhaps save your venom for if and when do and if it's a shit offer, not what a journalist thinks we want? We'll see won't we. Well so we aren t accused of hindsight anything less than £30m is a shit deal which shouldn't be done before deadline day as we don't wantn them off to a flyer as a direct competitor , if it's £30m on deadline day then let's see but they get a player who by very definition with all the house move etc Won't be right until November earliest and we know he needs games .
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 17:33:22 GMT
Nobody is worth that obviously BUT it's the rate. Arnie has been our creative linchpin during 3 top ten finishes yet people are glad to see the back of him. Fuck it, let him go for nowt because his brother has spat his dummy out. N'Zonzi all over again. I really don't think he's as good as most fans make him out to be. Compared to N'zonzi who was consistently good and same with Sigurdsson. Sigurdsson who went to Tottenham and failed.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 17:37:00 GMT
I really don't think he's as good as most fans make him out to be. Compared to N'zonzi who was consistently good and same with Sigurdsson. Sigurdsson who went to Tottenham and failed. How did he fail?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 17:37:42 GMT
This seems to be going around the West Ham message board. They don't seem to think he's worth that much.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 17:39:53 GMT
Sigurdsson who went to Tottenham and failed. How did he fail? They signed him and sent him back to Swansea as a makeweight in the Ben Davies deal. Arnie went to Inter and failed, mainly due to his attitude. There is a fag paper between them.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jul 12, 2017 17:41:04 GMT
This seems to be going around the West Ham message board. They don't seem to think he's worth that much. They don't have to fucking buy him then.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 12, 2017 17:41:55 GMT
They signed him and sent him back to Swansea as a makeweight in the Ben Davies deal. Arnie went to Inter and failed, mainly due to his attitude. There is a fag paper between them. Arnie played 3 games at Inter... Sigurdsson played 2 full seasons at Tottenham and scored as consistently as he is now at Swansea. That is not failing at all. He is a quality player, just like Erikson.
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