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Post by PB1863 on Jul 27, 2017 13:30:36 GMT
Of him anymore
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 27, 2017 13:31:36 GMT
Yes it's galling that they've taken one of our best players but it's got fuck all to do with ambition and everything to do with money. Would you say Palace are a bigger and more ambitious club than us due to the money they've sounded up the wall in the last couple of windows? Don't turn into Benjy where his only gauge of ambition is how much money you spend. Edit. Auto correct doesn't like spunked 🙄 Not mentioned money at all caliber of player not money. We have Fletcher they have Arnie we have Saido they have Hernandez I know which of the four I would choose to sign given the chance. But they have and will spend massively on the players they've 'wisely' bought so it must involve money. It remains to be seen which are the best buys but in any case this argument should be moot until September 1st.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2017 13:40:56 GMT
I suppose we’ll find out when we meet and over the coming season who’s done the better business this summer and whether Arnies made a good move. The game at your place will have an edge for sure. For the record we’ve shifted (either released/sold/end of loan) 10 first team squad players (so far) raising the best part of £30m and £350Kpw wages. I hope we're not making too many changes in one go but if there's a time to do it - it's now I guess. With Fletcher (a free last summer) likely to go to Middlesbrough for £8m, Adrian to Newcastle or CP for the same, Feghouli to Galatasaray for £5m, Collins to Everton and with Snodgrass getting interest from Celtic unless we spend again it’s not even likely that we’ve spent anything at all!! Self sustaining? Arnies gone now (get over it) – he made his own call on his own future and you’ve a ready-made replacement (according to most on here) with cash in the bank – WHU now have all his baggage good and bad. What's there not to like? If Coutinho leaves Liverpool there’s every chance they’ll be in for Lanzini and there’ll be a similar debate for us about loyalty, integrity, making them what they are etc.. but he’ll be another that leaves us… whether it be for money or better things this window or in the future. It’ll be who we replace him with or promote (Quina) that matters. Last season there were 10 rather average teams that avoided relegation (a spread of 6 pts) and 3 slightly shitter ones that went down. This next season sees some ambitious additions (Newcastle etc..) and I get the feeling an even tougher league stay in. Although we've made some experienced first team signings, I'm under no illusion of the jump in quality needed to reach next level without supersized (big wages) player investment - something we appear to be trying to do albeit on the old ones that'll come or cheap. (relative) Looking in from the outside seeing the dead-wood you've shifted and wages free'd up surely Coates has got to get a few in soon and accept good players come and go, play for money and lots of it - it's a grubby, nasty business off the pitch and probably unique due to the money swilling around. He knows already getting Arnie quality will cost and more than probably he wants to spend - but maybe investing the £20m windfall rather than bleating foul and sounding a bit muggy in the media says more about him and business mindset than Arnie. I think I'm more bothered that I'm paying for you to sign Arnie, seeing as you can afford to buy anyone you want having had a free ground and all that. Suppose you won the world cup once.....
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Post by murphscfc on Jul 27, 2017 13:59:21 GMT
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Post by hawkdude on Jul 27, 2017 14:02:21 GMT
Best post ever! I salute you sir!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 27, 2017 15:02:15 GMT
Well thankfully those two grade A weapons have gone and I'm sure we'll never know exactly what the issues were but I suspect greed was the real reason.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the snake as I think a big wage and big transfer fee will way heavy on him when things aren't going his own way.
As for the 'Together they will forever blow bubbles' line I'm sure that will be only until Danjel fancies a move to China. Its quite surprising how short forever can be.
Anyway time to forget this skid mark.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 27, 2017 15:08:54 GMT
One of my favourite memories from recent games against WHU was when Arnie did that one last lung-busting run in injury time to fire in an equaliser having had two already disallowed. Bit of a sullied memory now
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Post by flea79 on Jul 27, 2017 15:10:54 GMT
the only interest in the snakes brothers comments is about "garbage" inside the walls of our club
for some time now things have not felt right, we will of course never learn what is amiss but it makes you wonder, power struggle at the top?
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 27, 2017 15:12:46 GMT
the only interest in the snakes brothers comments is about "garbage" inside the walls of our club for some time now things have not felt right, we will of course never learn what is amiss but it makes you wonder, power struggle at the top? I think he is referring to players and perhaps the pizza boys?
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 27, 2017 15:13:41 GMT
Arnie in a wet sham top, talking on a sports channel here in Thailand, had to switch it off.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 27, 2017 15:16:25 GMT
the only interest in the snakes brothers comments is about "garbage" inside the walls of our club for some time now things have not felt right, we will of course never learn what is amiss but it makes you wonder, power struggle at the top? I think he is referring to players and perhaps the pizza boys? possibly just wondering if there is more going on, the club is very sellable at the moment, record levels of income, attendance and recent ground work make it a very attractive proposition to an interested party no doubt we would end up with Dubai's answer to Norman Smurthwaite should we ever be sold
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 27, 2017 15:19:28 GMT
I think he is referring to players and perhaps the pizza boys? possibly just wondering if there is more going on, the club is very sellable at the moment, record levels of income, attendance and recent ground work make it a very attractive proposition to an interested party no doubt we would end up with Dubai's answer to Norman Smurthwaite should we ever be sold We aren't showing off to sell. In fact I think we are knuckling down to build up to the next level after a few setbacks. Arnie's treachery and the market being tough should be a rallying cry for supporters not a misery train.
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Post by skelman on Jul 27, 2017 15:32:48 GMT
What an absolute bell end! Loads of 'cock and bull' insinuation, designed to cause maximum defamation and damage while we look to recruit - whilst steering clear of any potential libel!
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Jul 27, 2017 15:42:11 GMT
As Matty Etherington said on Talkshite, "huge talent but fails to track his man and falls asleep in matches".
Inconsistent, didn't do enough in enough games and not a good finisher, our best player of last of season certainly but that doesn't say a lot does it. He's gone let's move on.
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Post by fred11 on Jul 27, 2017 15:52:37 GMT
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Post by rambler on Jul 27, 2017 15:58:45 GMT
We are at risk of embarrassing ourselves now. He's gone, we made a profit, let's move on. I think that both sides have been in the wrong at times but it would have been wrong to force him to stay, especially when we agreed he could leave when he wanted to. As a club we have normally had a policy of keeping things out of the press, Coates broke that rule for some reason and now we are looking a little bitter. It is not Arnie who is going to put players off coming, its ourselves if we don't shut up and move on.
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Post by gonk on Jul 27, 2017 16:06:24 GMT
I suppose we’ll find out when we meet and over the coming season who’s done the better business this summer and whether Arnies made a good move. The game at your place will have an edge for sure. For the record we’ve shifted (either released/sold/end of loan) 10 first team squad players (so far) raising the best part of £30m and £350Kpw wages. I hope we're not making too many changes in one go but if there's a time to do it - it's now I guess. With Fletcher (a free last summer) likely to go to Middlesbrough for £8m, Adrian to Newcastle or CP for the same, Feghouli to Galatasaray for £5m, Collins to Everton and with Snodgrass getting interest from Celtic unless we spend again it’s not even likely that we’ve spent anything at all!! Self sustaining? Arnies gone now (get over it) – he made his own call on his own future and you’ve a ready-made replacement (according to most on here) with cash in the bank – WHU now have all his baggage good and bad. What's there not to like? If Coutinho leaves Liverpool there’s every chance they’ll be in for Lanzini and there’ll be a similar debate for us about loyalty, integrity, making them what they are etc.. but he’ll be another that leaves us… whether it be for money or better things this window or in the future. It’ll be who we replace him with or promote (Quina) that matters. Last season there were 10 rather average teams that avoided relegation (a spread of 6 pts) and 3 slightly shitter ones that went down. This next season sees some ambitious additions (Newcastle etc..) and I get the feeling an even tougher league stay in. Although we've made some experienced first team signings, I'm under no illusion of the jump in quality needed to reach next level without supersized (big wages) player investment - something we appear to be trying to do albeit on the old ones that'll come or cheap. (relative) Looking in from the outside seeing the dead-wood you've shifted and wages free'd up surely Coates has got to get a few in soon and accept good players come and go, play for money and lots of it - it's a grubby, nasty business off the pitch and probably unique due to the money swilling around. He knows already getting Arnie quality will cost and more than probably he wants to spend - but maybe investing the £20m windfall rather than bleating foul and sounding a bit muggy in the media says more about him and business mindset than Arnie. Never asked you before,what happened to the money for the old ground ,was it ever disclosed if so how did you get and did it go back in the club or did the dildo twins pocket it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jul 27, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
Looking in from the outside seeing the dead-wood you've shifted and wages free'd up surely Coates has got to get a few in soon and accept good players come and go, play for money and lots of it - it's a grubby, nasty business off the pitch and probably unique due to the money swilling around. He knows already getting Arnie quality will cost and more than probably he wants to spend - but maybe investing the £20m windfall rather than bleating foul and sounding a bit muggy in the media says more about him and business mindset than Arnie. What's 'muggy' about stating the cast iron facts of the matter. We were the injured party no doubt. The classy thing (having won) would have been for the Arnautovic's to keep their traps shut but class and Arnautovic are not often seen in the same sentence. Good luck with the pair of tosspots. Agree with this sentiment ---- When will players ever learn that they really are nothing without a paying audience I like Arny because he was a bit different but his comments are bound to offend His brother just comes across as a complete bellend My money is on Stoke minus Arnoutovic finishing in a higher league position than West Ham with him I have always tried to respect returning players BUT the lack of respect the other way gets pelters from me
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Post by stokie1954 on Jul 27, 2017 16:24:22 GMT
If Arnie and his brother want to deride Stoke for lack of ambition etc, what's the problem?. They are no worse than some of the posters on here!. The truth hurts don't it!.
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 27, 2017 16:28:21 GMT
I suppose we’ll find out when we meet and over the coming season who’s done the better business this summer and whether Arnies made a good move. The game at your place will have an edge for sure. For the record we’ve shifted (either released/sold/end of loan) 10 first team squad players (so far) raising the best part of £30m and £350Kpw wages. I hope we're not making too many changes in one go but if there's a time to do it - it's now I guess. With Fletcher (a free last summer) likely to go to Middlesbrough for £8m, Adrian to Newcastle or CP for the same, Feghouli to Galatasaray for £5m, Collins to Everton and with Snodgrass getting interest from Celtic unless we spend again it’s not even likely that we’ve spent anything at all!! Self sustaining? Arnies gone now (get over it) – he made his own call on his own future and you’ve a ready-made replacement (according to most on here) with cash in the bank – WHU now have all his baggage good and bad. What's there not to like? If Coutinho leaves Liverpool there’s every chance they’ll be in for Lanzini and there’ll be a similar debate for us about loyalty, integrity, making them what they are etc.. but he’ll be another that leaves us… whether it be for money or better things this window or in the future. It’ll be who we replace him with or promote (Quina) that matters. Last season there were 10 rather average teams that avoided relegation (a spread of 6 pts) and 3 slightly shitter ones that went down. This next season sees some ambitious additions (Newcastle etc..) and I get the feeling an even tougher league stay in. Although we've made some experienced first team signings, I'm under no illusion of the jump in quality needed to reach next level without supersized (big wages) player investment - something we appear to be trying to do albeit on the old ones that'll come or cheap. (relative) Looking in from the outside seeing the dead-wood you've shifted and wages free'd up surely Coates has got to get a few in soon and accept good players come and go, play for money and lots of it - it's a grubby, nasty business off the pitch and probably unique due to the money swilling around. He knows already getting Arnie quality will cost and more than probably he wants to spend - but maybe investing the £20m windfall rather than bleating foul and sounding a bit muggy in the media says more about him and business mindset than Arnie. Good stuff as always Hammered. You clearly have a good transfer team as year after year it seems you bring in loads of new players (some on loan) yet never have any problems moving them on at a decent cost when you find half of them aint up to much. This year though I think you've got it right going for quality over quantity. In relation to Arni I have no doubt that West Ham tapped him up post season and for me it's left a very bad taste not just with Arni but West Ham as it's clearly been done very underhanded. I just hope that the Likes of Liverpool don't do it to you guys if they tap up Lanzini when and if they sell Coutiniho to Barca. I guess the plan is approach agent, unsettle, transfer request, low bid. Very naughty and though there will be no punishment it's just not cricket. Bang on about Coatsey though.
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 27, 2017 16:32:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 17:39:04 GMT
After signing a new contract Arnie may have been expecting more of the club or promised more. If he feels let down which given how active we have been in the transfer market, is understandable. I like Arnie despite his spat with the board, i always felt he tried his best when playing and was always grateful to the fans after the game. It's not nice for some of our precious fans to hear an ex player insult the club, but maybe he thought it needed saying. It could easily be a case of he felt lied to in order to get him sign a new contract, and now we cashed in on him without making much effort to keep him.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 27, 2017 17:41:58 GMT
After signing a new contract Arnie may have been expecting more of the club or promised more. If he feels let down which given how active we have been in the transfer market, is understandable. I like Arnie despite his spat with the board, i always felt he tried his best when playing and was always grateful to the fans after the game. It's not nice for some of our precious fans to hear an ex player insult the club, but maybe he thought it needed saying. It could easily be a case of he felt lied to in order to get him sign a new contract, and now we cashed in on him without making much effort to keep him. I do have my suspicions that we had made promises to get him to sign his new contract here.. then didn't deliver said promises. IE. Maybe a salary increase and a promise for the club to show a certain intent in the summer market.
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Post by hammered on Jul 27, 2017 17:42:27 GMT
cobham – we’ve signed as many duds as goodens but you’re right, we seem to quickly (within two windows) dispose of those that don’t cut it and rarely lose money. Last season Bilic was trying to pad out the squad for our long involvement in the Euro league and when that went all poohy early doors was left with a big squad of middling unmotivated journeymen. The Payet situation didn't help but most of those brought in made little improvement to the first team and this season buying to improve the starting 11. Having said that: Nordtweit - Free - sold back to Germany £7m Feghouli - Free - Galatasary £3-4m Randolf - Free - Middlesbrough £5m Fletcher - Free - Middlesbrough £8m - in fact Middlesbrough pretty much paid for Hernandez!! Valencia has also gone £8m to Tigres. So far as Arnie; you think WHU tapped him up, when for me it reads just as probable the other way. The more the noise on Arnie drags on the more it seems less about the money imo. I‘m sure Lanzini’s agent is well aware of any interest in his client - tapping up is normal business in the PL regrettably (I'd suggest Liverpool are in a league of their own in that respect) and if Coutinho’s valued at £90m, Lanzini’s must be at least £50m – so he can go with my blessing on that reasoning as much as he'd be missed and difficult to replace. gonk – from what I’ve read the sale of the Boleyn (£38m) cleared the bank debts with the rest spent on our contribution to the publicly owned O/S conversion and the move itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 17:44:00 GMT
We are at risk of embarrassing ourselves now. He's gone, we made a profit, let's move on. I think that both sides have been in the wrong at times but it would have been wrong to force him to stay, especially when we agreed he could leave when he wanted to. As a club we have normally had a policy of keeping things out of the press, Coates broke that rule for some reason and now we are looking a little bitter. It is not Arnie who is going to put players off coming, its ourselves if we don't shut up and move on. At best At absolute fucking best I might Might Let this go after the 16th December. But until then....no fucking chance
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 27, 2017 17:47:52 GMT
Arnie better hope he's either injured or suspended before he visits us on the 16th December cos that's gonna be one fucking acidic atmosphere and he will feel the wrath of the faithful.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 27, 2017 17:52:38 GMT
Arnie better hope he's either injured or suspended before he visits us on the 16th December cos that's gonna be one fucking acidic atmosphere and he will feel the wrath of the faithful. He won't get out alive.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 27, 2017 18:09:57 GMT
I remember people saying that about Demba Ba - he scored a hat trick
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 27, 2017 18:11:09 GMT
cobham – we’ve signed as many duds as goodens but you’re right, we seem to quickly (within two windows) dispose of those that don’t cut it and rarely lose money. Last season Bilic was trying to pad out the squad for our long involvement in the Euro league and when that went all poohy early doors was left with a big squad of middling unmotivated journeymen. The Payet situation didn't help but most of those brought in made little improvement to the first team and this season buying to improve the starting 11. Having said that: Nordtweit - Free - sold back to Germany £7m Feghouli - Free - Galatasary £3-4m Randolf - Free - Middlesbrough £5m Fletcher - Free - Middlesbrough £8m - in fact Middlesbrough pretty much paid for Hernandez!! Valencia has also gone £8m to Tigres. So far as Arnie; you think WHU tapped him up, when for me it reads just as probable the other way. The more the noise on Arnie drags on the more it seems less about the money imo. I‘m sure Lanzini’s agent is well aware of any interest in his client - tapping up is normal business in the PL regrettably (I'd suggest Liverpool are in a league of their own in that respect) and if Coutinho’s valued at £90m, Lanzini’s must be at least £50m – so he can go with my blessing on that reasoning as much as he'd be missed and difficult to replace. gonk – from what I’ve read the sale of the Boleyn (£38m) cleared the bank debts with the rest spent on our contribution to the publicly owned O/S conversion and the move itself. Very jealous of the business you've done so far mate. Hernandez is an absolute steal at 16 million in today's market. Zabaletta is an absolute beast at full back too. And then you've got Arnie. Enjoy him pal. Unbelievable talent. All the best.
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Post by gonk on Jul 27, 2017 18:31:41 GMT
cobham – we’ve signed as many duds as goodens but you’re right, we seem to quickly (within two windows) dispose of those that don’t cut it and rarely lose money. Last season Bilic was trying to pad out the squad for our long involvement in the Euro league and when that went all poohy early doors was left with a big squad of middling unmotivated journeymen. The Payet situation didn't help but most of those brought in made little improvement to the first team and this season buying to improve the starting 11. Having said that: Nordtweit - Free - sold back to Germany £7m Feghouli - Free - Galatasary £3-4m Randolf - Free - Middlesbrough £5m Fletcher - Free - Middlesbrough £8m - in fact Middlesbrough pretty much paid for Hernandez!! Valencia has also gone £8m to Tigres. So far as Arnie; you think WHU tapped him up, when for me it reads just as probable the other way. The more the noise on Arnie drags on the more it seems less about the money imo. I‘m sure Lanzini’s agent is well aware of any interest in his client - tapping up is normal business in the PL regrettably (I'd suggest Liverpool are in a league of their own in that respect) and if Coutinho’s valued at £90m, Lanzini’s must be at least £50m – so he can go with my blessing on that reasoning as much as he'd be missed and difficult to replace. gonk – from what I’ve read the sale of the Boleyn (£38m) cleared the bank debts with the rest spent on our contribution to the publicly owned O/S conversion and the move itself. Cheers had not seen anything about what price you got.Did think it might have been split 3 ways..😉.
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