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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 15:09:55 GMT
I have no idea why we're still going over this. We got a good deal, maybe an excellent deal. We won't know for 12 months, but it's definitely NOT a bad deal. It's not a good deal if we can not replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. He did not want to play for us anymore ! we sold him for 25 million pounds good deal for a chomper.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 25, 2017 15:15:40 GMT
It's not a good deal if we can not replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. He did not want to play for us anymore ! we sold him for 25 million pounds good deal for a chomper. We have sold him for Ā£20 million down payment ! the other is made up of add on payments, like I said let's judge how good the deal is when we have seen who we bring in.
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Post by Gods on Jul 25, 2017 15:19:50 GMT
On the Scholes interview that's on the official site, it doesn't sound like he's convinced we got a good price for him. Yes fair play to Scholesy for that interview, he didn't shirk from the fact that it is desperately disappointing to lose Arnie, the money may not be adequate compensation and that while the will is there no guaranteed 'Plan B' is available to us. In short his departure is a real knife to the gut.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2017 15:26:07 GMT
I have no idea why we're still going over this. We got a good deal, maybe an excellent deal. We won't know for 12 months, but it's definitely NOT a bad deal. It's not a good deal if we can not replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. So you want us to buy a 28 year old for 25 million?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2017 15:31:53 GMT
It's not a good deal if we can not replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. So you want us to buy a 28 year old for 25 million? We need someone who can replace a guy who was directly involved in over a quarter of all of our goals over the past four years. You have to pay for that whatever age they are.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 25, 2017 15:35:45 GMT
It's not a good deal if we can not replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. So you want us to buy a 28 year old for 25 million? If we use the Ā£20 million we have allegedly received to replace him with a player who is as good then yes of course I do don't you ?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2017 15:42:16 GMT
So you want us to buy a 28 year old for 25 million? We need someone who can replace a guy who was directly involved in over a quarter of all of our goals over the past four years. You have to pay for that whatever age they are. The point is, when you take ALL factors into account, selling Arnie for 25 million might actually be a great bit of business. That isn't me discounting his contribution either. He's been our best player, pretty consistently for three years now. Arnie is 28. He's delivered 3 fantastic seasons for us. He's moved on. We've received a fee of 25 million. Now, there is two ways this can work out. Three if you consider that he performs at the level he has for us. He could also continue to improve, and become an even better player at West Ham.... That will be absolutely gutting and it's not beyond the realms of reality. However, to improve further, he will need to up his work-rate and become a first rate athlete, something he really hasn't done at Stoke. That is something which players like Zlatan, Ronaldo, Messi and others have achieved and naturally, have continued to progress into their 30's. It requires a different level of dedication. A level of dedication that I genuinely do not believe Arnie has. Here's a good article on it: cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2013/12/9/5191634/the-football-aging-curveSo, the other way it potentially works out? He completely falls down the hill and his peak consigned to the history books, OUR history books. Now, I'm not saying that will happen. I think Arnie will deliver one or two good seasons for West Ham. Last season for us was good. The season before he was exceptional. If fundamentally by the end of his career, his best season was that one for us? Then we have absolutely mugged West Ham off. Pants down. Knickers round their cankles as they wobble around looking for their dignity. As I said, it's all a bit of a gamble. I think it will pay off though. I really do.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2017 15:42:35 GMT
So you want us to buy a 28 year old for 25 million? If we use the Ā£20 million we have allegedly received to replace him with a player who is as good then yes of course I do don't you ? Read up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2017 15:57:10 GMT
We need someone who can replace a guy who was directly involved in over a quarter of all of our goals over the past four years. You have to pay for that whatever age they are. The point is, when you take ALL factors into account, selling Arnie for 25 million might actually be a great bit of business. That isn't me discounting his contribution either. He's been our best player, pretty consistently for three years now. Arnie is 28. He's delivered 3 fantastic seasons for us. He's moved on. We've received a fee of 25 million. Now, there is two ways this can work out. Three if you consider that he performs at the level he has for us. He could also continue to improve, and become an even better player at West Ham.... That will be absolutely gutting and it's not beyond the realms of reality. However, to improve further, he will need to up his work-rate and become a first rate athlete, something he really hasn't done at Stoke. That is something which players like Zlatan, Ronaldo, Messi and others have achieved and naturally, have continued to progress into their 30's. It requires a different level of dedication. A level of dedication that I genuinely do not believe Arnie has. Here's a good article on it: cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2013/12/9/5191634/the-football-aging-curveSo, the other way it potentially works out? He completely falls down the hill and his peak consigned to the history books, OUR history books. Now, I'm not saying that will happen. I think Arnie will deliver one or two good seasons for West Ham. Last season for us was good. The season before he was exceptional. If fundamentally by the end of his career, his best season was that one for us? Then we have absolutely mugged West Ham off. Pants down. Knickers round their cankles as they wobble around looking for their dignity. As I said, it's all a bit of a gamble. I think it will pay off though. I really do. With blistering pace not being a part of his game I don't think he's going to hit the wall any time soon. What he does at West Ham is pretty irrelevant to the point in my eyes anyway. By any and I mean any recent Premier League to Premier League transfer, for someone of his talent and stature it does not stack up as a good price and if we try to replace him with someone with Premier League experience we will find out how high we have to go to get someone in with a chance of even being on a par with him. My worry is that we wont pay what's required to fill the void.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 17:04:14 GMT
I'd they really wanted to replace him asap they should sign me up. I'm over weight lazy greedy cnut.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Jul 25, 2017 17:56:25 GMT
Just like to say on the subject of Arnie, while N'Zonzi moved on for a pittance a couple of years back as he let his contract run down to the last 12 months (and yet we continue to lionise him) Arnie had the good grace to sign a new contract so that rather than our having to accept a miserable ten mill for him last summer, here we are with Ā£24 mill to add to our transfer kitty this summer. Just thought it was worth saying.
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Post by drfootball on Jul 25, 2017 18:20:23 GMT
How do you know we're inactive in the transfer market ? Please share your knowledge ? Are you just trolling, read it again and try to think really hard..... Has it become clear now Good!!! Just in case you missed it again I will try put it simpler I said the current squad is in for a jolly hard season unless we start to add more quality to it rather than selling our most influential player, even though as yet we have not signed anyone there is still time with the transfer window still being open Seemed a perfectly reasonable polite question to me . My apologies.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 26, 2017 7:45:52 GMT
Peter Coates has just had his say on Arnautovic, mirrors a lot of the views on here. Now if anyone in the know has a right to an opinion it Sir PC and he did not sound happy. Hopefully all the Arnie sympathisers will give their heads a wobble as it's not just 90% of posters on here who are pissed off, it's the Chairman and the manager. Fuck you Arnie you top drawer dick smuggler.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 26, 2017 8:21:23 GMT
I'm by no means an Arnie sympathiser, but this concept of loyalty is interesting when there's another thread where people are saying that we should either give Ryan a free transfer at the end of his contract or flog him ASAP.
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Post by thepom on Jul 26, 2017 8:30:48 GMT
FFS - we have a natural replacement in Sobhi - everyone wanted to give him more time to prove he's world class - now it's his chance
Shaqiri & Sobhi on the wings - what's the problem !!!!
So now Arnie is gone - everyone wants another class winger ( Why to keep Sobhi on the bench ) FFS
Arnie 'was' my favourite player - but now he's gone ....
I personally will be happy with a back up winger and strengthen in other areas 'wingbacks' Forward and getting BMI
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Post by bhp on Jul 26, 2017 9:36:16 GMT
FFS - we have a natural replacement in Sobhi - everyone wanted to give him more time to prove he's world class - now it's his chance Shaqiri & Sobhi on the wings - what's the problem !!!! So now Arnie is gone - everyone wants another class winger ( Why to keep Sobhi on the bench ) FFS Arnie 'was' my favourite player - but now he's gone .... I personally will be happy with a back up winger and strengthen in other areas 'wingbacks' Forward and getting BMI Agree to an extent, I'd play Sobhi now Arnautovic has gone. Last night, I might be a bit critical of him and I know he got an assist but his final product wasn't great.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 9:39:27 GMT
As the consensus is we believe Arnautovic to be a š should we Sssssssss him instead of booing?
Just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 9:42:17 GMT
FFS - we have a natural replacement in Sobhi - everyone wanted to give him more time to prove he's world class - now it's his chance Shaqiri & Sobhi on the wings - what's the problem !!!! So now Arnie is gone - everyone wants another class winger ( Why to keep Sobhi on the bench ) FFS Arnie 'was' my favourite player - but now he's gone .... I personally will be happy with a back up winger and strengthen in other areas 'wingbacks' Forward and getting BMI Agree to an extent, I'd play Sobhi now Arnautovic has gone. Last night, I might be a bit critical of him and I know he got an assist but his final product wasn't great. Arnie often hit row Z.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 26, 2017 9:43:15 GMT
Just like to say on the subject of Arnie, while N'Zonzi moved on for a pittance a couple of years back as he let his contract run down to the last 12 months (and yet we continue to lionise him) Arnie had the good grace to sign a new contract so that rather than our having to accept a miserable ten mill for him last summer, here we are with Ā£24 mill to add to our transfer kitty this summer. Just thought it was worth saying. We offered Nzonzi a new contract, he chose to join a big European team like Sevilla for LESS money than what we offered him. I won't begrudge him that. Completely different to what Arnautovic has done.
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Post by fulagoals on Jul 26, 2017 9:48:27 GMT
I have no idea why we're still going over this. We got a good deal, maybe an excellent deal. We won't know for 12 months, but it's definitely NOT a bad deal. It's not a good deal if we can notĀ replace him with similar or better for the price we sold him for, in fact it would then be a shit deal we will see before the window shuts if this has been good for the club or not. Did Spurs sign anyone to match the fee or stature of Gareth Bale when they sold him? Have they improved since? Undoubtedly! There is no "I" in team.
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Post by bhp on Jul 26, 2017 9:49:37 GMT
Agree to an extent, I'd play Sobhi now Arnautovic has gone. Last night, I might be a bit critical of him and I know he got an assist but his final product wasn't great. Arnie often hit row Z. Not sure where I have compared Shobi to Arnautovic, because I haven't. It wasn't a rarity that one of Arnautovic's executions ended up in the Boothen car park, I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is a few people have questioned Sobhi because of him not scoring and registering only 1 assist last season, last night despite the assist I can see why people have made then statements.
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Post by mrred on Jul 26, 2017 9:49:51 GMT
Arnie had the good grace to sign a new contract so that rather than our having to accept a miserable ten mill for him last summer, here we are with Ā£24 mill to add to our transfer kitty this summer. Just thought it was worth saying. For someone presumably born in 1955, that's incredibly naive.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 26, 2017 10:04:06 GMT
Peter Coates has just had his say on Arnautovic, mirrors a lot of the views on here. Now if anyone in the know has a right to an opinion it Sir PC and he did not sound happy. Hopefully all the Arnie sympathisers will give their heads a wobble as it's not just 90% of posters on here who are pissed off, it's the Chairman and the manager. Fuck you Arnie you top drawer dick smuggler. Yes PC sounds like he is quite cut up with Arni's behaviour: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-we-are-disappointed-in-marko-arnautovic-because-we-resurrected-his-career/story-30456836-detail/story.htmlThere was always a risk though with a guy with such a temperamental character. It seems to me that the club is also sticking out on not settling some deals because of greedy agents. This might hurt us in the short term but I support such a policy.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2017 10:09:38 GMT
With blistering pace not being a part of his game I don't think he's going to hit the wall any time soon. What he does at West Ham is pretty irrelevant to the point in my eyes anyway. By any and I mean any recent Premier League to Premier League transfer, for someone of his talent and stature it does not stack up as a good price and if we try to replace him with someone with Premier League experience we will find out how high we have to go to get someone in with a chance of even being on a par with him. My worry is that we wont pay what's required to fill the void. Blistering pace may not have been a huge part of his game, but I'm sure a year or so ago, he was the 9th faster attacker in the Premier League. So clearly, it IS a part of his game. What he does at West Ham will ultimately dictate whether the fee they paid was high or low.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 27, 2017 6:33:13 GMT
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 27, 2017 6:39:31 GMT
Well done on chucking petrol on the fire you fucking cunt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 6:41:25 GMT
West ham v arsenal. 50/50 collision Arnie and Ramsey and they both break each others fucking necks. Your a cunt Arnie
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2017 6:41:48 GMT
With blistering pace not being a part of his game I don't think he's going to hit the wall any time soon. What he does at West Ham is pretty irrelevant to the point in my eyes anyway. By any and I mean any recent Premier League to Premier League transfer, for someone of his talent and stature it does not stack up as a good price and if we try to replace him with someone with Premier League experience we will find out how high we have to go to get someone in with a chance of even being on a par with him. My worry is that we wont pay what's required to fill the void. Blistering pace may not have been a huge part of his game, but I'm sure a year or so ago, he was the 9th faster attacker in the Premier League. So clearly, it IS a part of his game. What he does at West Ham will ultimately dictate whether the fee they paid was high or low. I think he will thrive in a more attacking set up.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 27, 2017 6:43:50 GMT
Well having just watched the least inspiring interview in the history of mankind from Hughes on Sky it's very difficult to argue with anything Arnie has said. It's all well and good getting all outraged at this perceived 'insult' to the club but the fact of the matter is that both the actions and words that have come from SCFC this close season (and for a good while longer) suggest the organisation really doesn't have the stomach for it anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 6:43:53 GMT
Bored of all the talking now. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out and will be bookmarking his words for future reference.....
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