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Post by Northy on Jul 21, 2017 6:38:01 GMT
Not sure the length of contract means anything whatsoever to Arnie and his leech brother. No doubt he'll leave next year when West Ham haven't shown any ambition by finishing mid table again... He stayed here four years only because he couldn't get a move last summer, and then we saw how it affected him last season, half arsed at times.
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Post by longthrow on Jul 21, 2017 6:46:32 GMT
Why are people saying 90k? If he will be WHU top payed player he's on way more than 90k. Aren't they paying that Winston Reid 100k a week so he wouldn't leave on a fee? (Good player mind )
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Post by skelman on Jul 21, 2017 6:57:04 GMT
Fair play to the Dildo Brothers. They've certainly got a pair on them... £90k p/w for 5 years for a 28 year-old. Risky, almost suicidal, business. You silly s-hammers All you had to do was pay him £40k a week but tell him he will be your highest paid player and he would have signed! Good riddance
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 21, 2017 7:02:23 GMT
Wage inflation in the PL continues to accelerate while wages in the rest of the economy remain static. It's a massive bubble that eventually will burst, in the meantime though some clubs will struggle to match these wages and the gap will continue to grow bigger between the few at the top and the rest.
One thing for sure, if the offer to Arni is correct then he had little choice but to accept it.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 21, 2017 7:06:56 GMT
They can have him at those figures quoted. Ridiculous money. You only pay those kinds of wages for consistent class, not a player that is average 2/3 of the season. I like Arni and he was our best player.. when he could be arsed.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 21, 2017 7:22:48 GMT
Hasn't the corrosively toxic, bullshitting, lying bastard fucked off yet.
Good riddance Arnie you fucking whopping weapon! Can wait to boo you home and hopefully away!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 21, 2017 7:30:00 GMT
When he turns up in Dec. if our right backs are still Johnson and Bards, he will rip a new arsole for Johnson,Bards might just help Arnie have the Xmas period off with an injury.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 21, 2017 7:41:01 GMT
100k-a-week until his 34th birthday.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2017 7:48:42 GMT
100k-a-week until his 34th birthday. Ha ha ha ha! I think its summed up best in the local parlance..... You've been To be fair to Danielle though he's got some skills, either that or Dil and Do are absolutely desperate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 7:55:42 GMT
The 'Working Man's Ballet'....
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Post by mosquito on Jul 21, 2017 8:06:43 GMT
When he turns up in Dec. if our right backs are still Johnson and Bards, he will rip a new arsole for Johnson,Bards might just help Arnie have the Xmas period off with an injury. I am hoping Bards is fit, I don't think Arnie will be up for abuse from the crowd and being twatted every time he touches the ball from Bardsley. If only Wilko was still playing, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:19:00 GMT
Well it certainly wasn't worth giving him another new contract to convince him to stay looking at those figures.
I'd be shocked if he is the type of player who does well into his 30s (especially now he's been given his made for life final big contract), so seems like the right move by the club. We could try and replace him with double what we paid for Shaqiri now, or for a much reduced fee in a season or two when his abilities are fading.
The more I read about this transfer the more it makes sense to sell him and move on. West Ham will be hoping for a repeat for his 2015-16 season but that seems like his peak to me, took him ages to build up to that kind of output and it was soon lost (halved in fact!).
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 21, 2017 8:36:45 GMT
When he turns up in Dec. if our right backs are still Johnson and Bards, he will rip a new arsole for Johnson,Bards might just help Arnie have the Xmas period off with an injury. Johnson and Bards know all they have to do is shepherd him down the touch line, not letting him cut inside and eventually he will foul them and/or lose possession. When he does cut inside, if he can't shoot he passes it backwards or sideways; if he can shoot the ball will most likely end up in the back row. This may sound like sour grapes, but selling Arni for >£20 m seems good business to me. I'd like him to stay, but the fact that he is such a loss to us is a reflection of the rest of the team, not how good he is. The facts are: www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/ontarget_scoring_attwww.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assistwww.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossBut some people will not let the facts get in the way of their love for Arni. I have mentioned a few times now, IMO he is making a huge mistake. Lee Chapman says is his biography that he left Stoke due to the club's lack of ambition, much as he liked the club. But it was a mistake which he regretted.
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Post by moz on Jul 21, 2017 8:54:06 GMT
Wage inflation in the PL continues to accelerate while wages in the rest of the economy remain static. It's a massive bubble that eventually will burst, in the meantime though some clubs will struggle to match these wages and the gap will continue to grow bigger between the few at the top and the rest. One thing for sure, if the offer to Arni is correct then he had little choice but to accept it. Sure, the gap will grow but the clubs that can't pay this kind of money could always invest their money either in the academy or looking for talented young players like Ramadan and Verlinden.
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Post by bhp on Jul 21, 2017 8:55:03 GMT
So effectively £50m for a consistently inconsistent player who's got no resale value? Wow.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 21, 2017 9:15:46 GMT
When he turns up in Dec. if our right backs are still Johnson and Bards, he will rip a new arsole for Johnson,Bards might just help Arnie have the Xmas period off with an injury. Johnson and Bards know all they have to do is shepherd him down the touch line, not letting him cut inside and eventually he will foul them and/or lose possession. When he does cut inside, if he can't shoot he passes it backwards or sideways; if he can shoot the ball will most likely end up in the back row. This may sound like sour grapes, but selling Arni for >£20 m seems good business to me. I'd like him to stay, but the fact that he is such a loss to us is a reflection of the rest of the team, not how good he is. The facts are: www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/ontarget_scoring_attwww.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assistwww.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossBut some people will not let the facts get in the way of their love for Arni. I have mentioned a few times now, IMO he is making a huge mistake. Lee Chapman says is his biography that he left Stoke due to the club's lack of ambition, much as he liked the club. But it was a mistake which he regretted. I have said this all along i think we will miss the 'maverick persona' and his on-pitch demeanour more than his technical offerings.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 21, 2017 9:50:20 GMT
This is not profit in the traditional sence that it is a dividend payable to the owners or the shareholders. It's cash that must be re-invested in new players just to stay in place, and it's unlikely we'll find anyone better than Arni for 21 million. Also, the inflation in transfer fees is extremely high, maybe 40-50% a year because of all the TV cash flowing in. So the 21 million "profit" in 2013 pounds is a lot less than it appears. This theory falls flat though as TV money increases at a faster rate. That's exactly the point. After adjustment for inflation, 21 million won't buy anywhere near the type of player it would have bought last year. Also, there's a one year incremental jump in TV money this year, after that I believe it increases at a much slower annual rate. So team must spend a lot of money this year or they will go backwards significantly relative to everyone else. If all the players haven't caught on to this, the agents certainly have. This is Christmas come early. They are also hedging against the real risk that the TV-money bubble will burst and it won't be there is future season and the value of players (like Dutch tulips) will drop like a lead balloon.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 21, 2017 9:51:57 GMT
100k-a-week until his 34th birthday. Absolutely massive pressure on his shoulders now. I wonder if he'll crack under it? He came to us for virtually nothing but he would still get stick for his strops. Imagine the response from the West Ham crowd if he carries on in the same vain, now that he is seen as the new messiah. I think Bilic and the Dildo twins think they're buying a different player to the one they're actually getting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 9:55:09 GMT
This is a way better deal for us, than it is for them. Especially if the alternative was for US to be paying him £100k per week 🙄🙄 Jesus H.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 21, 2017 9:59:16 GMT
100k-a-week until his 34th birthday. Absolutely massive pressure on his shoulders now. I wonder if he'll crack under it? He came to us for virtually nothing but he would still get stick for his strops. Imagine the response from the West Ham crowd if he carries on in the same vain, now that he is seen as the new messiah. I think Bilic and the Dildo twins think they're buying a different player to the one they're actually getting. He won't give toss though will he? He gets paid his £100k whether he plays or not (I assume). The pressure on Bilic and the dildos surely?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 21, 2017 10:03:35 GMT
Absolutely massive pressure on his shoulders now. I wonder if he'll crack under it? He came to us for virtually nothing but he would still get stick for his strops. Imagine the response from the West Ham crowd if he carries on in the same vain, now that he is seen as the new messiah. I think Bilic and the Dildo twins think they're buying a different player to the one they're actually getting. He won't give toss though will he? He gets paid his £100k whether he plays or not (I assume). The pressure on Bilic and the dildos surely? I think he will very much give a toss and I think he will really feel the pressure. The pressure on the owners and the manager will depend on how the team does as a whole.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 21, 2017 10:07:14 GMT
He won't give toss though will he? He gets paid his £100k whether he plays or not (I assume). The pressure on Bilic and the dildos surely? I think he will very much give a toss and I think he will really feel the pressure. The pressure on the owners and the manager will depend on how the team does as a whole. You may be right. I just think he's such an arrogant fucker he won't. It'll be everyone else's fault but his and that's how he'll delude himself if he gets dropped.
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Post by StoneSCFC on Jul 21, 2017 10:10:25 GMT
We'll probably buy him back when he's over 30 for peanuts!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:12:40 GMT
The boot is being put in Stoke midfielder Charlie Adam believes Marko Arnautovic has to improve his all-round game if he is to be a success at West Ham United. The Austrian winger is poised to join the Hammers in a potential £24million deal and would become their record signing in the process. But Adam, who has been a teammate of Arnautovic for the past four years, believes the 28-year-old must work harder defensively if he is to avoid the wrath of the West Ham faithful. “He will need to improve because he’s going to be the record signing, and the West Ham fans, they won’t take anything,” the Scotland international said on the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast. “They won’t take him not tracking back, covering the full-back, helping his own full-back – they will be on him so he’ll have to improve. “Maybe at our place he can get away with it a little bit because going forward he’s a match winner and coming to a team like West Ham they need someone like that. “He’s got the talent to go play for one of the big ones but he’s going to West Ham because sometimes going back the way he doesn’t do as well as he should do.” Despite his inconsistent defensive work Adam maintains it is a blow for Stoke to lose a player of Arnautovic’s quality to a club in and around them. As a result the Scotland man insists his team have to recruit well in preparation for next season. “He was in yesterday saying his goodbyes and it’s a shame because he’s been excellent for us over the four years he’s been there,” the 31-year-old added. “He’s been terrific on the pitch and off the pitch as well. “It’s a blow and when the money - I think they signed him for £2.5m and they sell him for something like £24m – it’s hard to turn down but it’s difficult to see that we are selling our best players to clubs that are going to be round us in the summer and next season. “We have to recruit well now and look forward to next season.” talksport.com/football/west-ham-fans-wont-take-him-not-tracking-back-stoke-citys-charlie-adam-insists-marko#wkxsrUeZyGCZssc5.99
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Post by monkeycat on Jul 21, 2017 10:15:49 GMT
Watch the smile disappear off his face when he sees how much Hernandez will be on
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Post by liamo on Jul 21, 2017 10:24:51 GMT
I think he might crack, Arnie was our best player and he knew it, he thrived on it, pound for pound i wouldn't say West Ham have better players than us but players like Lanzini and Antonio and now Hernandez may just end up overshadowing him and i don't think he'll react well to it personally
And when you're one of the top earners at the club fans expect a proportional payout on the pitch, awful lot of pressure for someone who failed at Inter and has a history of having a slightly iffy attitude
Admittedly i am biased and do want him to fail due to him being a direct rival now
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Post by stokief on Jul 21, 2017 10:25:50 GMT
Funny isn't it that when players force their moves away from lil ol' Stoke they quite often come a cropper Arnie's going to be under a lot of pressure for sure and there's a chance the West Ham 'family' are not quite as understanding as ours. A few dodgy results and he could find himself under new management as Bilic only just escaped the chop last season. Then he's got to get on with his new teamates and I'm guessing he's definitely marmite! So, lots of change ahead for him to deal with. We'll see shall we? meanwhile as much as I love Charlie and he's only saying it like it is, there's no need for the comments at the end. We do need to freshen up with the funds available but I'm looking forward to some of the youngsters being given a chance. The only way they will improve is to play against the real deal and not be fannying around in reserve under 23 conditions.We have to be bold if we think any are capable of becoming firstteamers. Yes, there will be mistakes but they have to be given a chance. Polish a few of these egos young and they may turn into the odd diamond.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
This theory falls flat though as TV money increases at a faster rate. That's exactly the point. After adjustment for inflation, 21 million won't buy anywhere near the type of player it would have bought last year. Also, there's a one year incremental jump in TV money this year, after that I believe it increases at a much slower annual rate. So team must spend a lot of money this year or they will go backwards significantly relative to everyone else. If all the players haven't caught on to this, the agents certainly have. This is Christmas come early. They are also hedging against the real risk that the TV-money bubble will burst and it won't be there is future season and the value of players (like Dutch tulips) will drop like a lead balloon. You were implying that we didn't really make a profit on Arnie, as his replacement would cost more than the profit made. We did make a profit on Arnie. TV money will cover any inflationary rises in player costs. TV money causes the inflationary rise in the cost of players, but also compensates for that rise in cost.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 21, 2017 10:28:44 GMT
It may well be that Arni does not live up to expectations at West Ham.The key issue for me though is that a direct competitor has been able to sign a player who the manager and most fans wanted to keep barely a few days ago, that is a real concern and for the moment at least alters the balance of power between the two clubs in League 2 of the PL.
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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 21, 2017 10:36:29 GMT
It may well be that Arni does not live up to expectations at West Ham.The key issue for me though is that a direct competitor has been able to sign a player who the manager and most fans wanted to keep barely a few days ago, that is a real concern and for the moment at least alters the balance of power between the two clubs in League 2 of the PL. that's bollocks, he's being offered 90k a week on a 5 year deal if we even thought of contracting him to that Tony Scholes would be skinned alive, it's lunacy and he is entitled to go for that as it's fantastic on Arnautovic's part. The only issue now is that we go into the season unknown and it's scary to some but we need to rebuild the team and we always knew one of our main players would be gone at some point - I'd rather it be Arnautovic than Shaqiri or Butland.
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