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Post by scfc75 on Jul 19, 2017 13:29:36 GMT
You can understand why people are unhappy with him though? I know loyalty in football is a two-way street that too much is made of, but we've enabled him to turn a faltering career around and at the first opportunity he has stuck two fingers up and engineered a move purely for a few more quid. I understand the frustration but he's played here for 4 years and at 28 he may feel it's time for a fresh start. I don't personally think West Ham will do that well next season under their present manager, but I do think as we speak they have a stronger squad than Stoke and that might be what Arnie thinks. If it's a fresh start then he should be honest and say that. I know he or his agent haven't personally made the 'ambition' statement, but if it's true as reported then it's a lame excuse. Does anybody REALLY think he has a significantly better chance of winning something at WHU than Stoke? I mean, he might finish a couple of places higher than if he were here, but so what? Is finishing, say, 8th instead of 10th a sign of success? Are West Ham more likely to win a cup than us? Maybe marginally if you look at the betting odds. I honestly don't think he can look at their squad and consider it significantly better than ours. It's marginal at best.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 19, 2017 13:32:17 GMT
Fair point, but Stein was a different era compared to today's mega greed mentality surely? I know temptation is relative but even so. Steino was on a pittance back then, even by the standards of players' pay in those days. He was reputed to have been on less than Graham Harbey. Not in the slightest bit comparable to Marko Arnautorich. Or Jon Walters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:32:34 GMT
Has the transfer officially been confirmed yet? No still nothing.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 19, 2017 13:38:18 GMT
I understand the frustration but he's played here for 4 years and at 28 he may feel it's time for a fresh start. I don't personally think West Ham will do that well next season under their present manager, but I do think as we speak they have a stronger squad than Stoke and that might be what Arnie thinks. You're very naive if you think it was a "fresh start" Arnautovic was after.... I've already said it's about money BUT yes I think he may feel it's gone a bit stale at Stoke and joining a new club may benefit him. Haven't posters on here ever felt in their own jobs that a new challenge would be interesting, even exciting?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2017 13:41:45 GMT
You can understand why people are unhappy with him though? I know loyalty in football is a two-way street that too much is made of, but we've enabled him to turn a faltering career around and at the first opportunity he has stuck two fingers up and engineered a move purely for a few more quid. I understand the frustration but he's played here for 4 years and at 28 he may feel it's time for a fresh start. I don't personally think West Ham will do that well next season under their present manager, but I do think as we speak they have a stronger squad than Stoke and that might be what Arnie thinks. I don't see what he can achieve there that he couldn't here. It's not so much a new challenge as the same challenge for more money. It's a shabby way to treat the club who's helped turn you back into a star again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 19, 2017 13:43:14 GMT
You're very naive if you think it was a "fresh start" Arnautovic was after.... Haven't posters on here ever felt in their own jobs that a new challenge would be interesting, even exciting? I should imagine a lot of people have Geoff, whether they do it that soon after a big pay rise and then undermine the club that gave them the rise for a job that looks equally as moribund as the one he's got, I think less so. You do seem to find it easy to take all emotion out of football, Geoff.
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Post by huuuuuth on Jul 19, 2017 13:43:19 GMT
Well I'm properly gutted No, not with Arnie going, the money grabbing, sideways moving shyster can suck my ringpiece. I'm gutted I can't give him dogs abuse when he comes back here in December because I'm away on holiday
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:44:22 GMT
To be fair last season was a cluster fcuk so it's no surprise to me that he had asked to go. Shame but can't blame the lad been with us for 5yrs.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 19, 2017 13:45:03 GMT
Well I'm properly gutted No, not with Arnie going, the money grabbing, sideways moving shyster can suck my ringpiece. I'm gutted I can't give him dogs abuse when he comes back here in December because I'm away on holiday Plenty of time to re-arrange!
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 19, 2017 13:51:24 GMT
To be fair last season was a cluster fcuk so it's no surprise to me that he had asked to go. Shame but can't blame the lad been with us for 5yrs. Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 19, 2017 13:52:59 GMT
To be fair last season was a cluster fcuk so it's no surprise to me that he had asked to go. Shame but can't blame the lad been with us for 5yrs. Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well"
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 19, 2017 14:02:58 GMT
You can understand why people are unhappy with him though? I know loyalty in football is a two-way street that too much is made of, but we've enabled him to turn a faltering career around and at the first opportunity he has stuck two fingers up and engineered a move purely for a few more quid. I understand the frustration but he's played here for 4 years and at 28 he may feel it's time for a fresh start. I don't personally think West Ham will do that well next season under their present manager, but I do think as we speak they have a stronger squad than Stoke and that might be what Arnie thinks. It's the talk about wanting a club with more ambition that's done it for me. If he just said he wanted a fresh start then I'd accept that but to make that claim and then make a sideways step takes the piss a bit.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 19, 2017 14:03:53 GMT
Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well" I don't this is accurate.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 19, 2017 14:04:21 GMT
To be fair last season was a cluster fcuk so it's no surprise to me that he had asked to go. Shame but can't blame the lad been with us for 5yrs. Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. I doubt it to be honest. I doubt any of the players know who we're after apart from the ones we know about.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 19, 2017 14:05:05 GMT
Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. I doubt it to be honest. I doubt any of the players know who we're after apart from the ones we know about. They know as much as we do, and a lot of people on here have already figured out that Hughes is not the right man for this job.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 19, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
I doubt it to be honest. I doubt any of the players know who we're after apart from the ones we know about. They know as much as we do, and a lot of people on here have already figured out that Hughes is not the right man for this job. They know a lot more than we do. They're very much aware of players that clubs are after due to the circle they're in. Their agents handling other players and obviously footballers know other footballers so word gets round. A mate of mine used to be in the ranks of Crewe and said this a couple years ago to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:11:49 GMT
Sooner see him go there than to a team like, or equal to the shit!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 19, 2017 14:16:42 GMT
Well I'm properly gutted No, not with Arnie going, the money grabbing, sideways moving shyster can suck my ringpiece. I'm gutted I can't give him dogs abuse when he comes back here in December because I'm away on holiday Dunner werrit huthy.....he'll have got himself five yellows by then so he can go home over Christmas and new year.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 19, 2017 14:16:56 GMT
Haven't posters on here ever felt in their own jobs that a new challenge would be interesting, even exciting? I should imagine a lot of people have Geoff, whether they do it that soon after a big pay rise and then undermine the club that gave them the rise for a job that looks equally as moribund as the one he's got, I think less so. You do seem to find it easy to take all emotion out of football, Geoff. It's not my intention momo to take the emotion out of these issues, but sometimes to try and see both sides of the argument. We all know that players in the main are not like supporters and don't share the same passion for the clubs they play for. I can't see why an Austrian footballer who has lived in the Potteries and played for Stoke City for four years, and has now decided to move on, should be vilified by some supporters. It appears the argument is that to leave for a top club would be acceptable but not for West Ham, in reality though it's not for others to lecture Arni on who he should play for, at least in my opinion.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 19, 2017 14:17:40 GMT
Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well" I don't think that's true, him and his spiv brother have simply had their heads turned by the first pig in lipstick to show them her trotters.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 19, 2017 14:18:48 GMT
Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. I doubt it to be honest. I doubt any of the players know who we're after apart from the ones we know about. Do you really believe that ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:19:13 GMT
Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well" I don't think that's true, him and his spiv brother have simply had their heads turned by the first pig in lipstick to show them her trotters. Is that a dig at Brady?
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 19, 2017 14:20:00 GMT
Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well" I don't think that's true, him and his spiv brother have simply had their heads turned by the first pig in lipstick to show them her trotters. This
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 19, 2017 14:20:46 GMT
I should imagine a lot of people have Geoff, whether they do it that soon after a big pay rise and then undermine the club that gave them the rise for a job that looks equally as moribund as the one he's got, I think less so. You do seem to find it easy to take all emotion out of football, Geoff. It's not my intention momo to take the emotion out of these issues, but sometimes to try and see both sides of the argument. We all know that players in the main are not like supporters and don't share the same passion for the clubs they play for. I can't see why an Austrian footballer who has lived in the Potteries and played for Stoke City for four years, and has now decided to move on, should be vilified by some supporters. It appears the argument is that to leave for a top club would be acceptable but not for West Ham, in reality though it's not for others to lecture Arni on who he should play for, at least in my opinion. Yes il miss seeing his Bentley parked outside his house on western heights ( Coalville )
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 19, 2017 14:21:24 GMT
I doubt it to be honest. I doubt any of the players know who we're after apart from the ones we know about. Do you really believe that ? Yes
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 19, 2017 14:22:27 GMT
Possibly I said something similar. Maybe he just thought "this isn't going to end well" I don't think that's true, him and his spiv brother have simply had their heads turned by the first pig in lipstick to show them her trotters. That's the most likely option, yes.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 19, 2017 14:26:23 GMT
we had a dull season he played worse than he had the season before which was his best for us , footballers like money and London these things happen , no doubt he was tapped up by one of Wet Sam's many spivs. Let's move on , give him loads when we play them life will continue
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 19, 2017 14:26:33 GMT
Sad to see him go. It's good to have a mental in your team.
When he signed his contract, the talk from the club was all about how we could break into Europe. Last season we regressed significantly in terms of points and style.
I don't doubt he's gone for money and he should have done it more respectfully but you have to ask yourself whether he is disillusioned with the manager and his game plans. I would be for sure after last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
To be fair last season was a cluster fcuk so it's no surprise to me that he had asked to go. Shame but can't blame the lad been with us for 5yrs. Just a thought but maybe he is aware of the standard of players Hughes is looking to bring in and decided fcuk that. Could be mate nothing to "rock" the city so far.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 19, 2017 15:13:37 GMT
Still nothing confirmed then
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