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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 3:50:46 GMT
Just when you thought British politics was becoming slightly calmer , a tad more sensible , enter a new hard right version of the Stupid Party . Yes folks , UKIP are back , meaner than ever , stupider than ever , taking up a vacant position on hard right of British politics  The arrival of 1,000 new UKIP members in a fortnight is believed to be an infiltration by supporters of anti-Islam candidate Anne Marie Waters , who has described Islam as 'evil' , UKIP party sources have said ..... www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/ukip-members-anne-marie-waters-anti-islam-far-right-fearsAs opposed to the Labour Party which saw an increase in far-left membership which coincided with an increase in anti-semitism? Labour's a broad church innit . Some idiots in there yes .... but the Tories have the likes of Reese-Mogg in their ranks . Don't tell me you think he's not a rightwing bellend . The reason the country's going down the pan is because of the Tory hard right . Anyway , how's Ibiza going ? Hast thee pulled owt ? You won't get far by pulling my leg on here owd  |
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Post by Boothen on Jul 3, 2017 4:04:05 GMT
Remember a season or so go ago where some knuckle dragging brain dead specimen from the EDL was outside the Britt trying to spout his bile. Thankfully there were a couple of us in hand to let the prick know exactly what we thought of him and the scum he represents. One was a lady in her late sixties who made good use of her umbrella to let him know what she thought. Even funnier when a copper took an interest in what was going on and the gorilla from the EDL tried to run away. The old lady gave him a good prod in his sphericals with the brolly which well and truly took the wind out of his sails. The copper probably hasn't had a easier arrest since. So rather than stand and debate with him you just went straight to insult and assault? To be honest, that says a lot more about you than it does about him. |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 4:14:08 GMT
Remember a season or so go ago where some knuckle dragging brain dead specimen from the EDL was outside the Britt trying to spout his bile. Thankfully there were a couple of us in hand to let the prick know exactly what we thought of him and the scum he represents. One was a lady in her late sixties who made good use of her umbrella to let him know what she thought. Even funnier when a copper took an interest in what was going on and the gorilla from the EDL tried to run away. The old lady gave him a good prod in his sphericals with the brolly which well and truly took the wind out of his sails. The copper probably hasn't had a easier arrest since. So rather than stand and debate with him you just went straight to insult and assault? To be honest, that says a lot more about you than it does about him. I've seen Tommy Robinson trying to 'debate' ..... he hasn't really got anything valid to say mate . And when Piers Morgan kicks your nutsack round the studio on a breakfast tv show ..... game's up .  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 3, 2017 7:01:08 GMT
Please can we somehow have a middle of the road party. Conservatives causing national division with their manifesto on one hand vs Corbyn and his happy clappy five loaves and two fish speeches to the baying throngs and now a right wing UKIP revival. Where and when did it all go wrong? At least the PM has seen what revived Corbyn during the election and is making moves toward Centre politics by listening to the electorate.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2017 7:07:55 GMT
As opposed to the Labour Party which saw an increase in far-left membership which coincided with an increase in anti-semitism? Labour's a broad church innit . Some idiots in there yes .... but the Tories have the likes of Reese-Mogg in their ranks . Don't tell me you think he's not a rightwing bellend . The reason the country's going down the pan is because of the Tory hard right . Anyway , how's Ibiza going ? Hast thee pulled owt ? You won't get far by pulling my leg on here owd Homeward bound now matey. And nicely deflected by the way 😂 |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 7:08:54 GMT
Please can we somehow have a middle of the road party. Conservatives causing national division with their manifesto on one hand vs Corbyn and his happy clappy five loaves and two fish speeches to the baying throngs and now a right wing UKIP revival. Where and when did it all go wrong? At least the PM has seen what revived Corbyn during the election and is making moves toward Centre politics by listening to the electorate. What is is you don't like about Labour under Corbyn ? I honestly think his policies are positive and good news for everyone the UK , apart from the real fatcats . |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2017 7:12:33 GMT
What have you done? The onus should be on the liberal left who want these people here. Why should folk plump up their cushions and bring out bunting for houseguests they don't want and never pretended to have wanted? Do your bit, citizen of the world. Put your money where your mouth is. I've travelled the world mate , swam with the turtles , climbed Kilimanjaro , i've seen things you people wouldn't believe . Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion ..... all the nonsense Are you saying you're Batty mate? 😁 |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 7:13:24 GMT
I've travelled the world mate , swam with the turtles , climbed Kilimanjaro , i've seen things you people wouldn't believe . Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion ..... all the nonsense Are you saying you're Batty mate? 😁 You can be the judge of that  |
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Post by Northy on Jul 3, 2017 7:17:23 GMT
I love how you label an entire group of people as 'stupid' just because they believe something different to you. I thought everyone referred to UKIP as ' The Stupid Party' ... it's their unofficial nickname isn't it ?  |
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Post by Northy on Jul 3, 2017 7:19:32 GMT
Islam is not compatible with western liberal values.....its as simple as that.... there is no middle ground...... they consider themselves muslim first then 'possibly' British after, whereas I being white British consider myself British first then loosely a christian / not really bothered. You need to wake up ratty why your bog average white working class bloke votes ukip. Its staring at you but your too blinded by your perfect corbynista utopia of multiculturalism and happy clappy holding hands rubbish..... I'll give you a big f*****g clue shall I? THEY DON'T WANT TO INTEGRATE! Until you address those communidees who dont want to be British your just waisting your breath and your bog average whitebloke will continue voting for parties like ukip Can I ask then .... what are you doing to integrate ? What have you done to help these folks integrate ? i bought something from a corner shop once |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 3, 2017 7:44:19 GMT
Please can we somehow have a middle of the road party. Conservatives causing national division with their manifesto on one hand vs Corbyn and his happy clappy five loaves and two fish speeches to the baying throngs and now a right wing UKIP revival. Where and when did it all go wrong? At least the PM has seen what revived Corbyn during the election and is making moves toward Centre politics by listening to the electorate. Hear hear. Bravo. I agree. |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2017 7:44:23 GMT
Are you saying you're Batty mate? 😁 You can be the judge of that Anyway, anti-semitism. Labour Party. Go. |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 3, 2017 7:57:30 GMT
Islam is not compatible with western liberal values.....its as simple as that.... there is no middle ground...... they consider themselves muslim first then 'possibly' British after, whereas I being white British consider myself British first then loosely a christian / not really bothered. You need to wake up ratty why your bog average white working class bloke votes ukip. Its staring at you but your too blinded by your perfect corbynista utopia of multiculturalism and happy clappy holding hands rubbish..... I'll give you a big f*****g clue shall I? THEY DON'T WANT TO INTEGRATE! Until you address those communidees who dont want to be British your just waisting your breath and your bog average whitebloke will continue voting for parties like ukip Can I ask then .... what are you doing to integrate ? What have you done to help these folks integrate ? I would love intergration too. All live happily together and stop all this hatred. But Its happening in Germany,Sweden,Holland, France etc where areas are for religious communities eg muslim. Do they want to intergrate with us? Do they want there own areas so they can have their own laws? I feel other religions are intergrating better these days eg Hindus, Jewish, Buddhist etc, are they or am i wrong? Part of the problem is the muslims we cant criticise anything about Islam and when you cant question anything its not democratic and we live in a democratic society , the total opposite of their culture. |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2017 8:02:29 GMT
There's a rat in me kitchen, what am I gonna do? 😎
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 8:10:06 GMT
Can I ask then .... what are you doing to integrate ? What have you done to help these folks integrate ? I would love intergration too. All live happily together and stop all this hatred. But Its happening in Germany,Sweden,Holland, France etc where areas are for religious communities eg muslim. Do they want to intergrate with us? Do they want there own areas so they can have their own laws? I feel other religions are intergrating better these days eg Hindus, Jewish, Buddhist etc, are they or am i wrong? Part of the problem is the muslims we cant criticise anything about Islam and when you cant question anything its not democratic and we live in a democratic society , the total opposite of their culture. I agree with you Waggy , there are some huge problems ..... and nobody seems to have good answers , plenty of bad ones yes ...... but I do know this , the only way a problem ever gets solved is by folks sitting down , round a table and communicating . its the only way . |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 3, 2017 8:14:31 GMT
I would love intergration too. All live happily together and stop all this hatred. But Its happening in Germany,Sweden,Holland, France etc where areas are for religious communities eg muslim. Do they want to intergrate with us? Do they want there own areas so they can have their own laws? I feel other religions are intergrating better these days eg Hindus, Jewish, Buddhist etc, are they or am i wrong? Part of the problem is the muslims we cant criticise anything about Islam and when you cant question anything its not democratic and we live in a democratic society , the total opposite of their culture. I agree with you Waggy , there are some huge problems ..... and nobody seems to have good answers , plenty of bad ones yes ...... but I do know this , the only way a problem ever gets solved is by folks sitting down , round a table and communicating . its the only way . Agree with you on communication but then both sides will have to agree and disagree with each other and that means criticising on issues eg child brides, FGM, I hope it happens but wont be in my lifetime |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 8:19:17 GMT
I agree with you Waggy , there are some huge problems ..... and nobody seems to have good answers , plenty of bad ones yes ...... but I do know this , the only way a problem ever gets solved is by folks sitting down , round a table and communicating . its the only way . Agree with you on communication but then both sides will have to agree and disagree with each other and that means criticising on issues eg child brides, FGM, I hope it happens but wont be in my lifetime Everyone must obey the law . FGM and child brides are a huge no , no . If folks can't adhere to the law then they'll feel quite rightly feel the rough side of the normally very tolerant British way of life . |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 8:22:13 GMT
There's a rat in me kitchen, what am I gonna do? 😎 You're gonna suck it up and f**king love every minute of it pal |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 3, 2017 8:30:19 GMT
Please can we somehow have a middle of the road party. Conservatives causing national division with their manifesto on one hand vs Corbyn and his happy clappy five loaves and two fish speeches to the baying throngs and now a right wing UKIP revival. Where and when did it all go wrong? At least the PM has seen what revived Corbyn during the election and is making moves toward Centre politics by listening to the electorate. What is is you don't like about Labour under Corbyn ? I honestly think his policies are positive and good news for everyone the UK , apart from the real fatcats . Fair question. Firstly his manifesto policies certainly are attractive to many with free school meals, free university tuition, free child care etc etc. But I don't believe, despite his insistance that all is ok because he will tax the higher earners and increase corporation tax, it has been fully costed. As Thatcher said, socialism works until other people's money runs out. I remember Corbyn at the Glastonbury Festival standing up and giving his anti capitalist speech to the baying thousands. The irony for me was the people who attended did so for £253 a ticket to be entertained by millionaire celebrities and musicians. Anti capitalist indeed? Secondly I believe that Corbyn, with his CND beliefs, could not be trusted with the security of our country and his Marxist leaning would make a mockery of the 40 odd years of danger we faced from USSR and the Communist Bloc and the eventual toppling of the threat with dialogue and people's willpower from both sides of that divide. Thirdly I really detest the mob rule that his henchman McDonald is trying to manifest as this harps back to the 1970s and I am old enough to have experienced that as a mid twenties engineering apprentice in the Royal Navy. Corbyn's promise to renationalise the utilities and transport and to repeal the Trade Union Act giving them back their unsavoury powers that brought the country to its knees in mid 70s also makes me shudder. I lived through that too. Don't get me wrong unions do a good job for workers rights and are essential for balanced working environments. IMO this whole mess we are in started with the Cameron Clegg coalition because they continued harsh austerity measures for too long and should have eased them as their administration progressed. But mainly the EU Referendum has split the nation, friends, families, work colleagues and more. I voted to leave and still stand by that. But the outcome of Brexit effect on our great nation was mis-calculated. Perhaps if the country had accepted the democratic decision and come together politically and socially to make it happen then we would not be in this mess. Instead we have a split nation, with Corbyn making political gain from a split nation and now the possible re-emergence of the polical far right. Finally the left and right wing media have played their part too in creating confusion and sometimes panic. I believe we should all take a hard look in the mirror and try to find some middle ground to work together in order to get us through a sensible Brexit and bring the country back together in social cohesion. At the moment I can only see anarchy perpetrated by the antics of the far left combined with and intransigent government. |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 8:57:28 GMT
What is is you don't like about Labour under Corbyn ? I honestly think his policies are positive and good news for everyone the UK , apart from the real fatcats . Fair question. Firstly his manifesto policies certainly are attractive to many with free school meals, free university tuition, free child care etc etc. But I don't believe, despite his insistance that all is ok because he will tax the higher earners and increase corporation tax, it has been fully costed. As Thatcher said, socialism works until other people's money runs out. That's rich coming from Maggie , she squandered billions of North Sea oil revenues on the 6 million unemployed in the eighties , destroyed manufacturing , coal mining , unions ..... the price worth paying ? Remember that ? Countries like Norway invested their similar hydrocarbon windfalls ..... and look at the differences between us and them now .
. I remember Corbyn at the Glastonbury Festival standing up and giving his anti capitalist speech to the baying thousands. The irony for me was the people who attended did so for £253 a ticket to be entertained by millionaire celebrities and musicians. Anti capitalist indeed? Socialists are allowed to be millionaires LL ..... it's not communism ..... just like myself , our own Saint Peter is a fully paid up card carrying Labour party member . Me and Saint Pete also get a say in both our party and our constituencies .Secondly I believe that Corbyn, with his CND beliefs, could not be trusted with the security of our country and his Marxist leaning would make a mockery of the 40 odd years of danger we faced from USSR and the Communist Bloc and the eventual toppling of the threat with dialogue and people's willpower from both sides of that divide. It won't be Jeremy that decides Labour policy on nukes . He has a personal view , as we all do .... and I happen to think it's right to get rid . Ultimately the Labour membership will decide on what's best for the UK . If we do decide to get rid , the question is how ? What happens to the submarine crews , the expertise , the jobs etc . Solutions have to be fair .Thirdly I really detest the mob rule that his henchman McDonald is trying to manifest as this harps back to the 1970s and I am old enough to have experienced that as a mid twenties engineering apprentice in the Royal Navy. Corbyn's promise to renationalise the utilities and transport and to repeal the Trade Union Act giving them back their unsavoury powers that brought the country to its knees in mid 70s also makes me shudder. I lived through that too. Don't get me wrong unions do a good job for workers rights and are essential for balanced working environments.
I can honestly say , hand on heart that we would absolutely NOT return to the chaos of the 1970's - which was at it's most troublesome under Ted Heath. The unions , the mediators , the government negotiators have all moved on , on both sides . Furthermore I think you'll have more trouble with the likes of Jeremy Hunt creating chaos in the NHS and public sector unions than any Labour minister ever would .
IMO this whole mess we are in started with the Cameron Clegg coalition because they continued harsh austerity measures for too long and should have eased them as their administration progressed. Totally agree . Austerity is a political choice , not an economic one .
But mainly the EU Referendum has split the nation, friends, families, work colleagues and more. Lies were what split the country , that and irresponsible elements of our printed media
I voted to leave and still stand by that. But the outcome of Brexit effect on our great nation was mis-calculated. Perhaps if the country had accepted the democratic decision and come together politically and socially to make it happen then we would not be in this mess. Instead we have a split nation, with Corbyn making political gain from a split nation and now the possible re-emergence of the polical far right. How is Corbyn making political gain ? Jeremy is trying his damnedest to bring the nation back together . It's people like Nigel Farage and Jacob Reese-Mogg that are promoting and widening a split . Corbyn is a very solid and incredibly tough individual , he votes and acts with his social conscience . His parliamentary voting record is testament to that .Finally the left and right wing media have played their part too in creating confusion and sometimes panic. I believe we should all take a hard look in the mirror and try to find some middle ground to work together in order to get us through a sensible Brexit and bring the country back together in social cohesion. This country has lurched so far to the right , so far in fact that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are perceived by many as hard left . That's simply not the case . The Labour Party are not New Labour either .... thank goodness . See this link for an explanation:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
At the moment I can only see anarchy perpetrated by the antics of the far left combined with and intransigent government. I dont know how can anyone can see the current antics of the Tories as anything other than right wing anarchy right now LL . hope that helps LL  i'm not a shouty leftist . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 8:57:42 GMT
What is is you don't like about Labour under Corbyn ? I honestly think his policies are positive and good news for everyone the UK , apart from the real fatcats . Fair question. Firstly his manifesto policies certainly are attractive to many with free school meals, free university tuition, free child care etc etc. But I don't believe, despite his insistance that all is ok because he will tax the higher earners and increase corporation tax, it has been fully costed. As Thatcher said, socialism works until other people's money runs out. I remember Corbyn at the Glastonbury Festival standing up and giving his anti capitalist speech to the baying thousands. The irony for me was the people who attended did so for £253 a ticket to be entertained by millionaire celebrities and musicians. Anti capitalist indeed? Secondly I believe that Corbyn, with his CND beliefs, could not be trusted with the security of our country and his Marxist leaning would make a mockery of the 40 odd years of danger we faced from USSR and the Communist Bloc and the eventual toppling of the threat with dialogue and people's willpower from both sides of that divide. Thirdly I really detest the mob rule that his henchman McDonald is trying to manifest as this harps back to the 1970s and I am old enough to have experienced that as a mid twenties engineering apprentice in the Royal Navy. Corbyn's promise to renationalise the utilities and transport and to repeal the Trade Union Act giving them back their unsavoury powers that brought the country to its knees in mid 70s also makes me shudder. I lived through that too. Don't get me wrong unions do a good job for workers rights and are essential for balanced working environments. IMO this whole mess we are in started with the Cameron Clegg coalition because they continued harsh austerity measures for too long and should have eased them as their administration progressed. But mainly the EU Referendum has split the nation, friends, families, work colleagues and more. I voted to leave and still stand by that. But the outcome of Brexit effect on our great nation was mis-calculated. Perhaps if the country had accepted the democratic decision and come together politically and socially to make it happen then we would not be in this mess. Instead we have a split nation, with Corbyn making political gain from a split nation and now the possible re-emergence of the polical far right. Finally the left and right wing media have played their part too in creating confusion and sometimes panic. I believe we should all take a hard look in the mirror and try to find some middle ground to work together in order to get us through a sensible Brexit and bring the country back together in social cohesion. At the moment I can only see anarchy perpetrated by the antics of the far left combined with and intransigent government. This anti-capitalism is a complete strawman. If anything Corbyn represents a shift towards neo-Keynsian thinking, and an abandonment of the (clearly deeply-flawed) neoliberal project. The key tenet of neoliberalism that people are clinging to is demonstrably untrue - there is no such thing as trickle down. So why cling to it unless you believe in a sustained transfer of wealth up the pyramid? This is what is happening, and this is why people a) oppose the Tories and b) sees people move to an alternate vision such as that Corbyn represents, which is not all that different to some of the social-democracies of northern Europe. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 3, 2017 9:03:29 GMT
So rather than stand and debate with him you just went straight to insult and assault? To be honest, that says a lot more about you than it does about him. I've seen Tommy Robinson trying to 'debate' ..... he hasn't really got anything valid to say mate . And when Piers Morgan kicks your nutsack round the studio on a breakfast tv show ..... game's up . Robinson looked visibly shaken by the weight of Morgan's attack, I don't think he saw it coming, guess he is used to being surrounded by his henchmen and not being subjected to that kind of scrutiny. |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 9:16:46 GMT
I've seen Tommy Robinson trying to 'debate' ..... he hasn't really got anything valid to say mate . And when Piers Morgan kicks your nutsack round the studio on a breakfast tv show ..... game's up . Robinson looked visibly shaken by the weight of Morgan's attack, I don't think he saw it coming, guess he is used to being surrounded by his henchmen and not being subjected to that kind of scrutiny. You know what , I actually think Tommy is a real decent lad . What's more he's had a lot of shit in his young life and I think he's seen some awful things ..... that is what has , for want of a better word , radicalised him . I totally get all that . I just don't think he has any answers to a considered political response, he only has a reaction , a direct one  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 3, 2017 9:44:45 GMT
Fair question. Firstly his manifesto policies certainly are attractive to many with free school meals, free university tuition, free child care etc etc. But I don't believe, despite his insistance that all is ok because he will tax the higher earners and increase corporation tax, it has been fully costed. As Thatcher said, socialism works until other people's money runs out. That's rich coming from Maggie , she squandered billions of North Sea oil revenues on the 6 million unemployed in the eighties , destroyed manufacturing , coal mining , unions ..... the price worth paying ? Remember that ? Countries like Norway invested their similar hydrocarbon windfalls ..... and look at the differences between us and them now .
. I remember Corbyn at the Glastonbury Festival standing up and giving his anti capitalist speech to the baying thousands. The irony for me was the people who attended did so for £253 a ticket to be entertained by millionaire celebrities and musicians. Anti capitalist indeed? Socialists are allowed to be millionaires LL ..... it's not communism ..... just like myself , our own Saint Peter is a fully paid up card carrying Labour party member . Me and Saint Pete also get a say in both our party and our constituencies .Secondly I believe that Corbyn, with his CND beliefs, could not be trusted with the security of our country and his Marxist leaning would make a mockery of the 40 odd years of danger we faced from USSR and the Communist Bloc and the eventual toppling of the threat with dialogue and people's willpower from both sides of that divide. It won't be Jeremy that decides Labour policy on nukes . He has a personal view , as we all do .... and I happen to think it's right to get rid . Ultimately the Labour membership will decide on what's best for the UK . If we do decide to get rid , the question is how ? What happens to the submarine crews , the expertise , the jobs etc . Solutions have to be fair .Thirdly I really detest the mob rule that his henchman McDonald is trying to manifest as this harps back to the 1970s and I am old enough to have experienced that as a mid twenties engineering apprentice in the Royal Navy. Corbyn's promise to renationalise the utilities and transport and to repeal the Trade Union Act giving them back their unsavoury powers that brought the country to its knees in mid 70s also makes me shudder. I lived through that too. Don't get me wrong unions do a good job for workers rights and are essential for balanced working environments.
I can honestly say , hand on heart that we would absolutely NOT return to the chaos of the 1970's - which was at it's most troublesome under Ted Heath. The unions , the mediators , the government negotiators have all moved on , on both sides . Furthermore I think you'll have more trouble with the likes of Jeremy Hunt creating chaos in the NHS and public sector unions than any Labour minister ever would .
IMO this whole mess we are in started with the Cameron Clegg coalition because they continued harsh austerity measures for too long and should have eased them as their administration progressed. Totally agree . Austerity is a political choice , not an economic one .
But mainly the EU Referendum has split the nation, friends, families, work colleagues and more. Lies were what split the country , that and irresponsible elements of our printed media
I voted to leave and still stand by that. But the outcome of Brexit effect on our great nation was mis-calculated. Perhaps if the country had accepted the democratic decision and come together politically and socially to make it happen then we would not be in this mess. Instead we have a split nation, with Corbyn making political gain from a split nation and now the possible re-emergence of the polical far right. How is Corbyn making political gain ? Jeremy is trying his damnedest to bring the nation back together . It's people like Nigel Farage and Jacob Reese-Mogg that are promoting and widening a split . Corbyn is a very solid and incredibly tough individual , he votes and acts with his social conscience . His parliamentary voting record is testament to that .Finally the left and right wing media have played their part too in creating confusion and sometimes panic. I believe we should all take a hard look in the mirror and try to find some middle ground to work together in order to get us through a sensible Brexit and bring the country back together in social cohesion. This country has lurched so far to the right , so far in fact that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are perceived by many as hard left . That's simply not the case . The Labour Party are not New Labour either .... thank goodness . See this link for an explanation:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
At the moment I can only see anarchy perpetrated by the antics of the far left combined with and intransigent government. I dont know how can anyone can see the current antics of the Tories as anything other than right wing anarchy right now LL . hope that helps LL i'm not a shouty leftist . Of course all opinion apart from your figures for 1980s unemployment are not true, the highest unemployment was in 1984 with (agreed an unacceptable) 3.2m. However this was a result of the priority to drive down inflation which was running at 25% when Margret Thatcher came to power. This was ruining the economy and had to be dealt with by increasing interest rates and curbing public spending which drove us into recession and high unemployment. But not 6m. By the time Thatcher was ousted unemployment was down to 2m and inflation was in single figures. The problems of the 1970s was never going to be an easy fix which ever way you look at it but it was caused by oil shortage of 1974 and a combination of poor government administration from both Conservative and Labour combined with egotistical union power. Scargill, Red Robbo and TUC leader Len Murray to name a few. One shudders at what would have happened had the likes of scargill wielded more outrageous demands on the employers. |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 9:55:53 GMT
hope that helps LL i'm not a shouty leftist . Of course all opinion apart from your figures for 1980s unemployment are not true, the highest unemployment was in 1984 with (agreed an unacceptable) 3.2m. Sorry LL that's incorrect . i'll reference points if you like but I see no need on a Stoke forum for such indulgencies . Besides i'm always pulling Lazy Todger for Goooooogling . However this was a result of the priority to drive down inflation which was running at 25% when Margret Thatcher came to power. This was ruining the economy and had to be dealt with by increasing interest rates and curbing public spending which drove us into recession and high unemployment. But not 6m. By the time Thatcher was ousted unemployment was down to 2m and inflation was in single figures. Not sure these figures are correct , but the real cost were places like Silverdale , where my mum was born and my sister teaches , being chucked in the bin.
The problems of the 1970s was never going to be an easy fix which ever way you look at it but it was caused by oil shortage of 1974 You mean a Saudi OPEC embargo .
and a combination of poor government administration from both Conservative and Labour combined with egotistical union power. Scargill, Red Robbo and TUC leader Len Murray to name a few. One shudders at what would have happened had the likes of scargill wielded more outrageous demands on the employers. Arthur Scargill was actually correct and the media portrayal of him was a disgrace . He was fighting for the rights of these people to simply exist .Hope that helps ..... |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 3, 2017 11:24:53 GMT
Of course all opinion apart from your figures for 1980s unemployment are not true, the highest unemployment was in 1984 with (agreed an unacceptable) 3.2m. Sorry LL that's incorrect . i'll reference points if you like but I see no need on a Stoke forum for such indulgencies . Besides i'm always pulling Lazy Todger for Goooooogling . However this was a result of the priority to drive down inflation which was running at 25% when Margret Thatcher came to power. This was ruining the economy and had to be dealt with by increasing interest rates and curbing public spending which drove us into recession and high unemployment. But not 6m. By the time Thatcher was ousted unemployment was down to 2m and inflation was in single figures. Not sure these figures are correct , but the real cost were places like Silverdale , where my mum was born and my sister teaches , being chucked in the bin.
The problems of the 1970s was never going to be an easy fix which ever way you look at it but it was caused by oil shortage of 1974 You mean a Saudi OPEC embargo .
and a combination of poor government administration from both Conservative and Labour combined with egotistical union power. Scargill, Red Robbo and TUC leader Len Murray to name a few. One shudders at what would have happened had the likes of scargill wielded more outrageous demands on the employers. Arthur Scargill was actually correct and the media portrayal of him was a disgrace . He was fighting for the rights of these people to simply exist .Hope that helps ..... Both unemployment and inflation figures are from ONS. Googled admittedly but, I am knowledgable I think, but not an expert on everything. However as I said earlier, all other points are all a matter of opinion. But I do know that the 73-74 oil crisis wasn't just Saudi but all Arab oil producers putting an embargo on oil exports to many western countries including U.K. In response to USA support to Israel in the Yom Kippur War. |
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Post by ihaveadream on Jul 3, 2017 17:02:25 GMT
Just when you thought British politics was becoming slightly calmer , a tad more sensible , enter a new hard right version of the Stupid Party . Yes folks , UKIP are back , meaner than ever , stupider than ever , taking up a vacant position on hard right of British politics The arrival of 1,000 new UKIP members in a fortnight is believed to be an infiltration by supporters of anti-Islam candidate Anne Marie Waters , who has described Islam as 'evil' , UKIP party sources have said ..... www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/ukip-members-anne-marie-waters-anti-islam-far-right-fearsamen farage for prime minister. I would rather have Amen Corner |
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jul 3, 2017 18:06:33 GMT
Remember a season or so go ago where some knuckle dragging brain dead specimen from the EDL was outside the Britt trying to spout his bile. Thankfully there were a couple of us in hand to let the prick know exactly what we thought of him and the scum he represents. One was a lady in her late sixties who made good use of her umbrella to let him know what she thought. Even funnier when a copper took an interest in what was going on and the gorilla from the EDL tried to run away. The old lady gave him a good prod in his sphericals with the brolly which well and truly took the wind out of his sails. The copper probably hasn't had a easier arrest since. So rather than stand and debate with him you just went straight to insult and assault? To be honest, that says a lot more about you than it does about him. So you think he was capable of debate then. You werent there so how could you pass comment. When we asked him to elaborate on his views we got abuse back including tbreats of violence which is when the lady really came into her own. Care to offer any more thoughts ????? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 18:19:15 GMT
amen farage for prime minister. I would rather have Amen Corner I'd rather have Amen Homes |
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 18:44:25 GMT
hope that helps LL i'm not a shouty leftist . Of course all opinion apart from your figures for 1980s unemployment are not true, the highest unemployment was in 1984 with (agreed an unacceptable) 3.2m. However this was a result of the priority to drive down inflation which was running at 25% when Margret Thatcher came to power. This was ruining the economy and had to be dealt with by increasing interest rates and curbing public spending which drove us into recession and high unemployment. But not 6m. By the time Thatcher was ousted unemployment was down to 2m and inflation was in single figures. The problems of the 1970s was never going to be an easy fix which ever way you look at it but it was caused by oil shortage of 1974 and a combination of poor government administration from both Conservative and Labour combined with egotistical union power. Scargill, Red Robbo and TUC leader Len Murray to name a few. One shudders at what would have happened had the likes of scargill wielded more outrageous demands on the employers. Nah , sorry that's not accurate . It's like a tabloid view of British political history .... nice try but i'm not having it mate . It's common knowledge that those statistics were fudged and adjusted to portray less hardline figures . Most serious political commentators knew the numbers were over 6 million , even at the time . I was there .... i left school there were no jobs , none . Everyone I knew was unemployed . |
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i'm not a shouty leftist .
