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Post by boothenboy75 on Jun 22, 2017 11:09:21 GMT
I see it as a fundamental right that kids should be able to go out without being targeted and blown up. Perhaps, as a start, if they locked up people who have travelled to Syria or tried to get there, there would be less "innocents" wandering the street murdering people? What about those who have gone to Pakistan, Libya, Iraq etc? You can't lock people up for going to Syria. My colleague told me she went 20years ago and had a lovely time there. Should she be locked up? What about those with family there? Should they be locked up for seeing their family? Nobodys brought up Pakistan, Libya, Iraq or anywhere else for that matter so what that's got to with anything escapes me. Clearly your mate who visited 20 odd years ago isn't affected but what I proposed is what the government said they'd do! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648480/Brits-returning-fighting-Syria-face-life-jail-new-criminal-offence-committing-terrorism-abroad.htmlClearly the government as usual couldn't be arsed with this! www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/only-14-400-british-isis-9010088I'm not surprised that you don't want jihadis locked up, what with you being a lawyer and all. (rofl) |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2017 11:26:31 GMT
There is a far greater link with Pakistan and Libya than with Syria in the majority of the perpetrators of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam in this country. And a even bigger link with Britain. How about we lock up everyone who has visited Britain? Lock up terrorists obviously as they have committed crimes. Don't just lock people up for visiting a country. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jun 22, 2017 12:04:16 GMT
There is a far greater link with Pakistan and Libya than with Syria in the majority of the perpetrators of terror attacks committed in the name of Islam in this country. And a even bigger link with Britain. How about we lock up everyone who has visited Britain? Lock up terrorists obviously as they have committed crimes. Don't just lock people up for visiting a country. Your inane ramblings are too much for me I'm afraid. (whiteflag) |
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Post by metalhead on Jun 22, 2017 12:27:57 GMT
I'm not overly keen on Tommy Robinson, but when you have muppets like Big Fat Abbott saying "the only way we can tackle Islamic extremism, is to tackle right-wing extremism" then it's no surprise that the far right are growing and his supporters grow daily. Islamic extremism MASSIVELY outweighs right-wing extremism. It's not even close. Tackling Islamic extremism would quite possibly destroy a large percentage of right wing extremism. Tackling right wing extremism, will do very little really.
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Post by stayingupfor Sexualchocolate on Jun 22, 2017 13:42:50 GMT
I'm not overly keen on Tommy Robinson, but when you have muppets like Big Fat Abbott saying "the only way we can tackle Islamic extremism, is to tackle right-wing extremism" then it's no surprise that the far right are growing and his supporters grow daily. Islamic extremism MASSIVELY outweighs right-wing extremism. It's not even close. Tackling Islamic extremism would quite possibly destroy a large percentage of right wing extremism. Tackling right wing extremism, will do very little really. Spot on. It's a never ending and vicious circle... Extreme Islamic terrorism - increase in far right support - which feeds the warped minds of the extremists... And so it goes on ad infitum |
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Post by metalhead on Jun 22, 2017 15:40:12 GMT
I'm not overly keen on Tommy Robinson, but when you have muppets like Big Fat Abbott saying "the only way we can tackle Islamic extremism, is to tackle right-wing extremism" then it's no surprise that the far right are growing and his supporters grow daily. Islamic extremism MASSIVELY outweighs right-wing extremism. It's not even close. Tackling Islamic extremism would quite possibly destroy a large percentage of right wing extremism. Tackling right wing extremism, will do very little really. Spot on. It's a never ending and vicious circle... Extreme Islamic terrorism - increase in far right support - which feeds the warped minds of the extremists... And so it goes on ad infitum The far right is given more legitimacy by the day though. You can't blame the far right for Manchester... Or London... The men involved were radicalised into believing a system of hate. The far right had little to do with that. The reality is, you cut out the far right and you're left with extremist Islam. If the far right have legitimate fears of Islamic terrorism, then cut that out and the far right would disappear. Unfortunately, neither is dealt with so...... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2017 14:35:59 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2017 15:16:48 GMT
Must be some editing going on in that video. Tommy Robinson is a man of peace that is solely dedicated to upholding British values, laws and traditions. Shame on whoever has doctored this to make Robinson - who has been convicted of fraud, football hooliganism, assault, and entering the US illegally on a false passport - look like a common criminal. Although in fairness getting pissed at the races and having a ruckus is quite a British tradition, so he's achieved one of them. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 26, 2017 15:17:14 GMT
PM started off moaning at TR about going back in history to Finsbury Mosque to discredit it, then delves out a 7 year video of him, which he has said he aplogised for for the way he said, and cuts him off at every opportunity, what a waste of time it was.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2017 15:29:13 GMT
Must be some editing going on in that video. Tommy Robinson is a man of peace that is solely dedicated to upholding British values, laws and traditions. Shame on whoever has doctored this to make Robinson - who has been convicted of fraud, football hooliganism, assault, and entering the US illegally on a false passport - look like a common criminal. Although in fairness getting pissed at the races and having a ruckus is quite a British tradition, so he's achieved one of them. Tommy wasn't pissed though. The fella who'd been following him around hurling abuse at him was however. Maybe if he'd just taken heed to Tommy telling him to fuck off on multiple occassions, rather than persisting with harrassing him, nothing would have happened. |
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Post by flashman on Jun 26, 2017 15:59:02 GMT
There was quite a lot of filth rioting in London last night too ...Several arrests apparently . I suppose violence is an every day occurrence in multicultural Britains capital city . Violence , terrorism , shootings , bombings .....But we must all stick together and love one another . Anyone fancy a bit .....Females only need apply .  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2017 16:03:38 GMT
Must be some editing going on in that video. Tommy Robinson is a man of peace that is solely dedicated to upholding British values, laws and traditions. Shame on whoever has doctored this to make Robinson - who has been convicted of fraud, football hooliganism, assault, and entering the US illegally on a false passport - look like a common criminal. Although in fairness getting pissed at the races and having a ruckus is quite a British tradition, so he's achieved one of them. Tommy wasn't pissed though. The fella who'd been following him around hurling abuse at him was however. Maybe if he'd just taken heed to Tommy telling him to fuck off on multiple occassions, rather than persisting with harrassing him, nothing would have happened. Were you there? Or are you speaking on his behalf? |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2017 16:18:30 GMT
Tommy wasn't pissed though. The fella who'd been following him around hurling abuse at him was however. Maybe if he'd just taken heed to Tommy telling him to fuck off on multiple occassions, rather than persisting with harrassing him, nothing would have happened. Were you there? Or are you speaking on his behalf? No I wasn't there, I'm guessing you weren't either? I'm going off the phone call between Tommy & the coach driver and the articles, where he says how the other guy was following him, how Tommy looked sober & the other guy pissed, how Tommy told him to fuck off numerous times before what eventually happened. But I get it, you hate Tommy "Coz he's racist innit", so he's obviously in the wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 16:40:01 GMT
Must be some editing going on in that video. Tommy Robinson is a man of peace that is solely dedicated to upholding British values, laws and traditions. Shame on whoever has doctored this to make Robinson - who has been convicted of fraud, football hooliganism, assault, and entering the US illegally on a false passport - look like a common criminal. Although in fairness getting pissed at the races and having a ruckus is quite a British tradition, so he's achieved one of them. That video is a million miles from an indictment. In fact, it clearly shows the "victim" following Robinson at the start. I've seen a million videos of Tommy being abused and physically attacked by frothing at the mouth lunatics and he's always shown as much restraint as possible, clearly putting himself in added danger by doing so. Obviously he didn't think cameras were rolling so showed less restraint in this instance, but I don't think he should have to suffer abuse from random drunks on a day out with his wife. There's no doubt in my mind that this would've been clear provocation, and quite possibly there would've been a physical threat. Hopefully he hasn't done too much damage to the worthless cunt because the authorities are looking for any excuse to throw the book at Robinson. |
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 26, 2017 16:51:50 GMT
Tommy's orate. Maybe not always, but if he's taking a public stand against militant islam when few dare then I can accommodate him fighting at a racecourse. That he's popular despite such a rough side to his character, with a general air of bother about him, shows how desperate many are to rally around any kind of dissenting figure.
That said, he needs to stop that kind of behaviour if he wants to fulfil any political ambition he might have.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2017 17:00:07 GMT
Tommy's orate. Maybe not always, but if he's taking a public stand against militant islam when few dare then I can accommodate him fighting at a racecourse. That he's popular despite such a rough side to his character, with a general air of bother about him, shows how desperate many are to rally around any kind of dissenting figure. That said, he needs to stop that kind of behaviour if he wants to fulfil any political ambition he might have. I'm the same with Antifa - I can take them kicking the shit out of people and damaging public property, as long as they're keeping the fascists at bay. |
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jun 26, 2017 17:51:49 GMT
Absolutely fuckin sick to the back teeth of these overly PC 'Muslims cannot do any wrong' brigade!
Makes me so sad to think of the Britain my daughter is going to grow up in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2017 18:03:21 GMT
Even if for one moment you run with the frankly absurd idea that Robinson is a misunderstood 'tell it as it is' warrior, fighting the brave fight against an enemy within and political correctness (he isn't, he's a cunt.) This is how it always manifests itself, this is the sort of vermin he attracts, pig head waving racist fuck nuggets without a brain cell between them and only hate and division on their mind. Some might say this is an unintended consequence I disagree, this is exactly what the intelligent Robinson is after. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4593476/Far-right-protestors-tussle-police-silent-rally.html |
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Post by flashman on Jun 26, 2017 18:24:38 GMT
Why don't you tell him yourself .....Grrrr.....To his face . Gooooaaarnnnnn.....Take a Corbyn placard with you and strap it to your arse just in case he tries to drown you for treachery in the Thames ....  |
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 26, 2017 18:27:35 GMT
Tommy's orate. Maybe not always, but if he's taking a public stand against militant islam when few dare then I can accommodate him fighting at a racecourse. That he's popular despite such a rough side to his character, with a general air of bother about him, shows how desperate many are to rally around any kind of dissenting figure. That said, he needs to stop that kind of behaviour if he wants to fulfil any political ambition he might have. I'm the same with Antifa - I can take them kicking the shit out of people and damaging public property, as long as they're keeping the fascists at bay. You have the right to that view of course. Tommy Robinson isn't a fascist, if that's what you suggest. Fascism, as I see it, is based on oppressive conformity to a way of thinking and a way of life, enforced by the state, brutal in its means, uncompromising and intolerant. The uniform and salute are signs of conformity. It's awful stuff. If that's a fair definition, how could Tommy Robinson's be considered a fascist? The US election has given way to a new concept in liberal politics: the bogey man. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2017 20:17:41 GMT
I'm the same with Antifa - I can take them kicking the shit out of people and damaging public property, as long as they're keeping the fascists at bay. You have the right to that view of course. Tommy Robinson isn't a fascist, if that's what you suggest. Fascism, as I see it, is based on oppressive conformity to a way of thinking and a way of life, enforced by the state, brutal in its means, uncompromising and intolerant. The uniform and salute are signs of conformity. It's awful stuff. If that's a fair definition, how could Tommy Robinson's be considered a fascist? The US election has given way to a new concept in liberal politics: the bogey man. I've no idea if Robinson is a fascist. To be a fascist, you first need power. Robinson has never had power, so we don't know what we'd do with it. I do know he's the Joey Barton of the British alt-right - pretending to be some reformed intellectual figure, but every now and again his mask slips and gets shown up to be the absolute whopper that he always has been. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2017 21:09:47 GMT
You have the right to that view of course. Tommy Robinson isn't a fascist, if that's what you suggest. Fascism, as I see it, is based on oppressive conformity to a way of thinking and a way of life, enforced by the state, brutal in its means, uncompromising and intolerant. The uniform and salute are signs of conformity. It's awful stuff. If that's a fair definition, how could Tommy Robinson's be considered a fascist? The US election has given way to a new concept in liberal politics: the bogey man. I've no idea if Robinson is a fascist. To be a fascist, you first need power. Robinson has never had power, so we don't know what we'd do with it. I do know he's the Joey Barton of the British alt-right - pretending to be some reformed intellectual figure, but every now and again his mask slips and gets shown up to be the absolute whopper that he always has been. However we do know that John Mcdonnell is a Marxist that is a fact ! a man who follows the teachings/doctrine of Chairman Mao a leader who was responsible for four times more lost lives than Adolph feckin Hitler, what is worse the Facist or the Marxist Dianne Abbott backed Mao in a TV interview  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2017 22:50:37 GMT
I've no idea if Robinson is a fascist. To be a fascist, you first need power. Robinson has never had power, so we don't know what we'd do with it. I do know he's the Joey Barton of the British alt-right - pretending to be some reformed intellectual figure, but every now and again his mask slips and gets shown up to be the absolute whopper that he always has been. However we do know that John Mcdonnell is a Marxist that is a fact ! a man who follows the teachings/doctrine of Chairman Mao a leader who was responsible for four times more lost lives than Adolph feckin Hitler, what is worse the Facist or the Marxist Dianne Abbott backed Mao in a TV interview I don't really know which is worse - communism certainly proved more popular than fascism, which was pretty much born and died with Mussolini. Communism continued to limp on for some time, and there still remains five nations that call themselves communist (even if you can argue that some are not ran as a communist state). I don't know of any countries that now call themselves a fascist state, although happy to be proven wrong on that. One things for sure, I wouldn't want the UK to be either. |
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Post by flashman on Jun 26, 2017 23:23:59 GMT
However we do know that John Mcdonnell is a Marxist that is a fact ! a man who follows the teachings/doctrine of Chairman Mao a leader who was responsible for four times more lost lives than Adolph feckin Hitler, what is worse the Facist or the Marxist Dianne Abbott backed Mao in a TV interview I don't really know which is worse - communism certainly proved more popular than fascism, which was pretty much born and died with Mussolini. Communism continued to limp on for some time, and there still remains five nations that call themselves communist (even if you can argue that some are not ran as a communist state). I don't know of any countries that now call themselves a fascist state, although happy to be proven wrong on that. One things for sure, I wouldn't want the UK to be either. Neither would I to be fair . All that said , there are many who equally would prefer Britain to remain Christian , but that will inevitably become overtaken by the Muslim fraternity if current birth rates of the respective religions are accurate . It's not a case of if ..but when . If Leicester can win the league title ...then it's fair and proper to assume that the City of Leicester has an automatic right to become Muslim which it has backed by its local population . Britain is changing at a rate that has never be seen before . In the next ten years we will have a population of 70 million . Great at news for the economy and cultural enrichment perhaps ...less so if you prefer what's gone before . Personally ...I have no religious beliefs , but it all comes down to the individuals preference. Green space and quality of life V diversity and more employment opportunities . You decide .... |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2017 7:21:31 GMT
However we do know that John Mcdonnell is a Marxist that is a fact ! a man who follows the teachings/doctrine of Chairman Mao a leader who was responsible for four times more lost lives than Adolph feckin Hitler, what is worse the Facist or the Marxist Dianne Abbott backed Mao in a TV interview I don't really know which is worse - communism certainly proved more popular than fascism, which was pretty much born and died with Mussolini. Communism continued to limp on for some time, and there still remains five nations that call themselves communist (even if you can argue that some are not ran as a communist state). I don't know of any countries that now call themselves a fascist state, although happy to be proven wrong on that. One things for sure, I wouldn't want the UK to be either. So we agree we would not want Mcdonnell anywhere near gaining any power in this country  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 27, 2017 7:45:38 GMT
I don't really know which is worse - communism certainly proved more popular than fascism, which was pretty much born and died with Mussolini. Communism continued to limp on for some time, and there still remains five nations that call themselves communist (even if you can argue that some are not ran as a communist state). I don't know of any countries that now call themselves a fascist state, although happy to be proven wrong on that. One things for sure, I wouldn't want the UK to be either. Neither would I to be fair . All that said , there are many who equally would prefer Britain to remain Christian , but that will inevitably become overtaken by the Muslim fraternity if current birth rates of the respective religions are accurate . It's not a case of if ..but when . If Leicester can win the league title ...then it's fair and proper to assume that the City of Leicester has an automatic right to become Muslim which it has backed by its local population . Britain is changing at a rate that has never be seen before . In the next ten years we will have a population of 70 million . Great at news for the economy and cultural enrichment perhaps ...less so if you prefer what's gone before . Personally ...I have no religious beliefs , but it all comes down to the individuals preference. Green space and quality of life V diversity and more employment opportunities . You decide .... Can you explain the logic in this this sentence, because I'm not sure if I follow: "If Leicester can win the league title ...then it's fair and proper to assume that the City of Leicester has an automatic right to become Muslim which it has backed by its local population." |
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Post by flashman on Jun 27, 2017 8:06:33 GMT
Certainly ....It doesn't make too much sense does it ?
Leicester is now predominately a Muslim city and won the Premiership title a little over 12 months ago . There are no rules against either regardless of how many might not like the idea . We live in a democratic society and we are free to practise our religious beliefs along with following our local football team . That was it .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 27, 2017 8:44:41 GMT
I don't really know which is worse - communism certainly proved more popular than fascism, which was pretty much born and died with Mussolini. Communism continued to limp on for some time, and there still remains five nations that call themselves communist (even if you can argue that some are not ran as a communist state). I don't know of any countries that now call themselves a fascist state, although happy to be proven wrong on that. One things for sure, I wouldn't want the UK to be either. So we agree we would not want Mcdonnell anywhere near gaining any power in this country Well we've get some medieval, creationist nutters holding the balance of power now. I'd consider Mcdonnell to be a vastly superior option to that. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 27, 2017 9:03:54 GMT
So we agree we would not want Mcdonnell anywhere near gaining any power in this country Well we've get some medieval, creationist nutters holding the balance of power now. I'd consider Mcdonnell to be a vastly superior option to that. But you consider McDonut to be vastly superior to all the Conservative MP's don't you? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 27, 2017 9:04:57 GMT
Well we've get some medieval, creationist nutters holding the balance of power now. I'd consider Mcdonnell to be a vastly superior option to that. But you consider McDonut to be vastly superior to all the Conservative MP's don't you? The vast majority yes. Certainly the pathetic leader who nallsed up the election through well just being really really shit. |
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